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    I am against corporal punishment in school because I do not believe in hitting children. However, I am for corporal punishment of adults.

    If you drink and drive or commit B&E and so on, you should not be able to sit for a month.

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    Really interesting responses! Thank you everyone who has answered so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Þoreiðar View Post
    I'm a proponent of ostracism/excludation (both socially and economically) from the community of perpetrators whose actions are unwanted (cultural and behavioral deviance, for example) by the community in question. For individuals responsible for material damage, theft and disturbance of peace, I think recompensation and banishment are good measures. Death penalty should only be dealt to those who have violently violated the freedom and integrity of peaceful and innocent people (for example rapists, murderers, kidnappers, a.s.o.). The judgement of these matters ought to be passed by the people of the community themselves, not pre-selected judges, unrepresentative juries nor the police.
    Transportation, as it was known through the 18th and 19th Centuries.

    But where to transport people to nowadays? Central Australia has a dearth of unskilled labour - one option. Though of course - people will jump up and down and call it 'slave labour' etc.. If one reads of examples in Australian colonial history however, it is revealed to have been nothing of the sort. Perhaps this example of the penal code should be revisited.

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    Punishment is much better served with an endless amount of tedium, isolation and deprivation. Death could be a wonderful, fulling experience on the spiritual level...aside from the physical and mental moments leading up to it.
    The 'threat of violence' of course shouldn't deter anyone from their path either right or wrong. I would expect everyone to carry on as normal, with only a change in attitude and outlook, I guess a new found sense of defiance, Which is not a deterrent.

    Whichever way I just don't see threats alone as being effective. In the case of the State or Nation using a threat it's more of "We warned them" hand washing approach. On the person to person level it's a completely pointless waste of time to threaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unity Mitford View Post
    What is your opinion of the death penalty? Does it belong in the world of today?

    What is your opinion of corporal punishment in schools? Would it help?

    Also: do either of these institutions belong in a future Germanic society?

    I can see a problem with a state administering the death penalty for "traitors" when the state becomes corrupt (as all eventually do) and any dissident against the tyrannical state gets thrown in jail. But I do think there are some people in society that need separated from it and not allowed to breed. I don't really like violence so I'd just advise some institutions for these people.

    I don't think corporal punishment is healthy either. Children are the most innocent and bright lights the world has to offer; their minds aren't muddied by preconceived ideas and religions. When a child doesn't want something there is usually a good reason for it. If a teacher or parent can't convince a child to do something through reason then it's not the fault of the child.

    I wouldn't accept either capital punishment or corporal punishment in a Germanic society. I think civilization is beyond this backward way of thinking now, and hopefully we'll evolve into a world with reason instead of violent coercion.

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    All for both of them.

    I don't think the state should have a monopoly on it, it should primarily be the responsibility of family (to discipline children and exact retribution on wrongdoers, then on the wider community, and the state as a last resort, but probably a necessary one in many cases especially modern society.

    There should be a death penalty for serious crimes like murder and rape, and also for career criminals who are unlikely to ever be a benefit to society.

    Corporal punishment is necessary for children but not as conclusive whether it is effective for adults and older children.
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    I believe in corporal punishment for those who use violence, or incite violence against Germanics.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqS6OFuUXe8

    Those who incite anti-Germanicism should be expelled, or in repeat cases corporal punishment.

    Corporal punishment for organized crime membership, and illegal trading also. Perhaps a simple one, two strike you are out approach.

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