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    Y-DNA haplogroup R1a was most certainly proto-Indo-European in origin, according to widespread opinions...



    Ancient DNA testing has confirmed the presence of haplogroup R1a1a in samples from the Corded Ware culture in Germany (2600 BCE), from Tocharian mummies (2000 BCE) in Northwest China, from Kurgan burials (circa 1600 BCE) from the Andronovo culture in southern Russia and southern Siberia, as well as from a variety of Iron-age sites from Russia, Siberia, Mongolia and Central Asia.
    Nowadays, high frequencies of R1a are found in European Russia (45 to 65% of the population), Poland (55%), Belarus (49%), Ukraine (43%), Slovakia (42%), Latvia (40%), Lithuania (38%), the Czech Republic (34%), Hungary (32%), Croatia (29%), Norway (27%), Austria (26%), north-east Germany (23%), and Sweden (19%).
    Not to forget that it's also common among high-caste northern Indians.

    Eupedia.com (click the link and read their article on R1b) seems also to suggest that R1b was involved in the Indo-European-speaking expansion to Western Europe (R1a, on the other hand, is quite uncommon in far Western Europe), and that the high frequencies today can be explained by the possibility that the powerful elites (the men of the ruling-class in this regard) had the chance to pass their genes on to a greater amount of off-spring. * This theory is not accepted by all researchers, however, and is thus controversial. Many seem to prefer the theory of R1b being pre-Indo European, and I do not personally think I have the necessary insight to fully support one or the other today.
    But if the R1b-Indo-European-"replacement"(not completely, but partially)-theory is correct after all, then this would mean that the modern European (and Germanic) gene-pool is Indo-European to a large degree, and much more so than what's often been assumed.

    * To illustrate this, it could be pointed out that about one in five males from north-western Ireland are directly descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages (a sub-group of R1b, by the way).

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    Some say that the Germanic tribes originated in Scandinavia and migrated South into what is now modern Germany. Many in Scandinavia are R1a which is Indo-European in orign, which one theory is that R1a in Scandinavia came from the Black Sea area, around the area of the Ancient Cimmerians. What I have read is that the Celts inhabited what is now Germany and they were pushed out by the Scando-Germans who migrated down.

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    That Mongols have been 'white' has been explicitly discussed by me in another threat.

    That Mongols/Moghuls where later than Aryans is mosh likely conclusively to you, because the name can nowhere be found in any literature before the Aryans, is that your argument?

    Therefore the Mongols/Moghuls/Tartars cannot be earlier.

    Whatever name they had is not known, obvious is that they came from the same region, or more precise, Aryans moved out from the area into India as the modern scientific myth goes.

    The Tartar Khans lived in Bukhara according to Marco Polo and other writers, controlling the silk route. that is obviously the area the Aryans moved put over the pass into India, so the scientific lore. But that sofar is only based on linguistics and that's it. It is a very weak argument indeed.

    So when did the Aryans move into India, do you have any proof of that?

    You say the Tartars/Mongols are after the Aryans, so where do they allegedly come from and when did they come into existence?

    Official history is a brainwash program. Meanwhile there are so many odd things piled up which gets ignored that you better start to think for yourself and forget the myth makers from the universities.
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    The Sanskrit word arya and its cognates actually trace back to PIE, and refer not so much to a race as to its elites. Still, all the IE races were Aryan, and the ancestor figure is easily recognisable, that is, the similarities between Aryaman, Armenak, Erimon, probably Irmin etc.

    In the past this became tabooed for political reasons, because still others had politicised it. But, still, it remains true that the PIE people were united through descent from this figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    Mongole have been described by contemporaries like Marco Polo and others as white people. It is acknowledged everywhere that Dhingis Khan had a red beard. Do you know of any other race where men have red beards?
    Actually, rufosity is a trait which is not uncommon amongst modern Mongols.

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    Occasionally, isolated individuals exhibit even golden blonde hair, combined with a strong degree of depigmentation in general.

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    However, I am skeptic that the Mongols resembled modern Europeans. Do you have additional evidence that would support this idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko
    That Mongols have been 'white' has been explicitly discussed by me in another threat.
    Never mind then, I shall try to locate said thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn View Post
    Actually, rufosity is a trait which is not uncommon amongst modern Mongols.

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    However, I am skeptic that the Mongols resembled modern Europeans. Do you have additional evidence that would support this idea?
    Well the Bronze Age Mongolians, though they probably didn't speak Mongolian, were whites. They must've left a substrate, and the white features are commonest in western Mongolia from what I remember.

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    It is certainly possible that there are Mongolians and Chinese people with "European" characteristics such as blonde and red hair. It is hypothesized that genetic haplogroup R1 may have originated in south central Siberia, then migrating back south during the end of the LGM to western Eurasia, possibly the Kazakhstan region today. This is where the R1a/b homeland is believed to be. Surely they had some people along this route split off to travel further East into China/ Mongolia.

    Let us not forget the Tarim Basin mummies of China that had distinctly European features like slender noses, long faces, light colored hair. I believe a few of them even had woven plaid clothing. Recent studies have suggested that they had Western Eurasian dna, similar to those of the Russian Steppes which would be the Indo Aryan homeland.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kristina.../#23aae5bfa423




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    If Eire means Land of the Aryans and Iran means Land of the Aryans and in India lived Aryans then one can assume that the whole groups have been one land under one rule.

    The breaking up into many lands and nations (described probably in the old testament by the building of a tower in Babylon ((most likely aryan in origin))) happened somewhere in the past. Most likely after the building of the pyramids (Pyramids are found in Egypt China and Middle America and most likely in the Balkan).

    As Jews are an enemy force being created around 6,000 years ago I think it was them who facilitated it.

    As the 'mongols' lived closed to the area where the white people's origin suppossedly is and they had an empire encompassing roughly the white areas I suggest that it was the last great state of white people which then was destroyed. Bukhara seems to have been their last capital.

    Other movement to recreate this state, like from Rom or like the russian empire are attempts to recreate this white superstate.

    Todays 'nationalism' expresses a similar thought. It is most likely some memory which rumbles in white people and comes up periodically.
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    The connection of Mongols to asiatic people is just a trick to steal and hide our history.

    The mongols in Mongolia do not know a Dschinghis Khan in their lore nor their history. they got this from the outside hundred years or so ago. The statue in Ulan Bator of Dschinghis Khan still shows a men with a full beard, something asian do not have, if they have a beard it is mostly flimsy.

    The Aryan moghuls used support troops with asian people but at the core it was white. In our history they turn it the other way around and say Mongols were asian in nature but had white support troops.

    From Marco Polo's reports we also know that the Moghuls controlled China, then called Khatay. The pictures in the above post shows Tocharians who most likely initiated the culture which we now know as chinese.

    The false history uses the similarity of names between mongols and Moghuls.

    another remnant of white people ruling the area at the today's border russia/china is the mummy of Princessa Ukoka, belonging to the Skyth.

    http://www.archaeologyinmarlow.org.u...the-ice-mummy/
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    Hornedhelm, at one point white people were in northern Asia, nowadays genetic anthros try and avoid racial language, but its clear from the aDNA that the Ma'lta boy was white. I was thinking much more recently, mind you. Yes, the Iranians who were in historical East Asia.

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