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Thread: The Aryan Vedic Religion

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    An interesting religious tradition which is related strongly to the Vedic tradition but of course distinct is the Shingon sect of esoteric Buddhism in Japan.

    Buddhism itself, despite various distortions, was meant originally to be a reawakening of the ancient Vedic spirit which was thought to have degenerated by the time of the Buddha himself. Buddhism is of course also an Aryan tradition, sometimes even being called "Aryadharma" or the Aryan Way, the Aryan Dharma. Core doctrines in Buddhism such as the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path are really the Four Aryan Truths and the Aryan Eightfold Path. As Julius Evola put it:

    We have to remember that behind the various caprices of modern historical theories, and as a more profound and primordial reality, there stands the unity of blood and spirit of the white races who created the greatest civilizations both of the East and West, the Iranian and Hindu as well as the ancient Greek and Roman and the Germanic. Buddhism has the right to call itself Aryan both because it reflects in great measure the spirit of common origins and since it has preserved important parts of a heritage that, as we have already said, Western man has little by little forgotten, not only by reason of involved processes of intermarriage, but also since he himself-to a far greater extent than the Eastern Aryans-has come under
    foreign influences, particularly in the religious field. As we have pointed out, Buddhist asceticism, when certain supplementary elements have been removed, is truly classical" in its clarity, realism, precision, and firm and articulate structure; we may say it reflects the noblest style of the ancient Aryo-Mediterranean world.
    As to Shingon specifically, its core ritual is the goma or homa fire ritual which has ancient Aryan origins. Among its various deities are gods such as Indra, who is of course the Vedic Thor. Its central Buddha or "God" if you will is Mahavairocana, which in East Asia is translated as "Great Sun Buddha", referencing the solar path to the Absolute and the transcendent Primordial Sun which is nondually omnipresent. It focuses on the so-called "three mysteries" for praxis, which are body, speech, and mind, which in turn translate into practice as mudra, mantra, and yoga, all of which have origins in the Vedic past.

    One further interesting doctrine of Shignon that was developed in Japan is that of Honji suijaku, which views the native deities/spirits or kami of Japan as manifestations of the Buddhas which appeared in Japan as an upaya or skillful means to help assist in the liberation of the Japanese people. Such a theory of course could easily be applied to the various native deities, elves, dwarves, fairies, etc. of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post

    The Vedas also uses Sanskrit, which is the most perfect language - much more perfect than the Icelandic language used by the reconstructionists.

    In the Golden Age of Germanic heathenism, other, more pure primal languages were spoken during the rituals. This is what Guido von List and the Armanists were researching (the connections between the runes, the language, the primal sounds, the Sinnbilder...), much more scientifically than modern-day neo-pagans...
    Why do you consider Sanskrit the most perfect language? Why is Icelandic imperfect? What constitutes a pure language and why would a primal language be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    Now all we have is idiots playing with a Thor's hammer, doing fake rituals in the forest, or things of that kind
    I bumped into a video of some pagan group recently. They were jumping around a fire beating into drums sensless. It was like watching a scene with indians from a very very bad, cheap western movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    Why do you consider Sanskrit the most perfect language? Why is Icelandic imperfect? What constitutes a pure language and why would a primal language be better?
    NASA scientists hail Sanskrit as the only perfect language

    On a literary level, it is said that Sanskrit allows for the most refined expression of all levels of human consciousness, all aesthetic experiences, all emotions, to a degree that it's impossible in any other language.

    Even on an intuitive level, you can see that Sanskrit is made of root-sounds (just like the Proto-Indo-European language which is now lost). These root-sounds are based on the 51 sacred letters of the Matrika which produce specific effects on the body-mind when pronounced.

    But Sanskrit was never really used as a language for daily life. Mostly only the priests, poets and royalty were using it. The everyday people were using some "prakrit" (or vernacular language) derived from it.

    If one is looking for a strictly "European" primordial language (and functioning vernacular at the same time), then we should rather look at Lithuanian, which derives most directly from the Proto-Indo-European and has many, many similarities to Sanskrit.

    The Origin of Lithuanian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_language

    If we were to regenerate Europe on a true ethnic basis, then Lithuanian could be chosen as the official language of the European Union, rather than "Esperanto" or French, or I don't know what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    If one is looking for a strictly "European" primordial language (and functioning vernacular at the same time), then we should rather look at Lithuanian, which derives most directly from the Proto-Indo-European and has many, many similarities to Sanskrit...

    If we were to regenerate Europe on a true ethnic basis, then Lithuanian could be chosen as the official language of the European Union, rather than "Esperanto" or French, or I don't know what.
    How does that square away with us not being a strictly Indo-European population to begin with?

    How would a Lithuanian-speaking EU deal with the cultural disintegration and learning collapse that would follow a continent's worth of language loss?

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    Official language means just that - it doesn't have to replace other languages, it could just be chosen as the "neutral" and official language of the EU, which would give it more importance. Instead of having people learning French and others, which are late languages, and which may be beautiful and so on, but are artificial (as was the opinion of Rudolf Steiner) and disconnected from the original roots.

    And since Lithuanian is closer to the root languages, it would be equally easier to learn by all other speakers of Europe.

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    People talk about 'Indo-European culture' like it is some kind of singular nation-state, it's bloody daft!

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    Regarding the Vedic practice of renouncing the world as 'evil', this is the same world-view that brought the Cathars of the 12-13th century Europe into conflict with the Church. Essentially, the Cathars held a semi-Gnostic view that the world (the physical universe) was created not by God but by Satan pretending to be God. As such, while men were possessed of divine souls (essentially angels captured by Satan to make Man 'work') the world itself was evil and they regarded all of it as such. Of course this put them on a collision course with the Church (as far as the Cathars were concerned the Church was evil as well) and this resulted in the mounting of the Albigensian Crusade in the late 1200's which resulted in the slaughter of thousands of Cathars, most of whom would not fight because of their non-violent beliefs.

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    The Cathars were a fascinating religious group.

    They triggered the Inquisition and played a major role in the creation of a unified French kingdom so they have an important place in history, just based on that alone!

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    If I were picking and choosing a 'new' language, I would probably go for Esperanto; it's very easy to learn and while it contains root words from all over Europe it would go a long way to giving everyone a neutral way to communicate without the cultural baggage that might come with native tongues. It's not 'ethnically pure' by any standards, though; it's intended to be an 'auxiliary' language to augment established forms.

    An example of Esperanto, for those who haven't dealt with it previously:

    "In many places in China there were temples of the dragon king. During times of drought, people prayed in the temples, that the dragon king would give rain to the human world. At that time the dragon was a symbol of the supernatural."

    "En multaj lokoj de Ĉinio estis temploj de drako-reĝo. Dum trosekeco oni preĝis en la temploj, ke la drako-reĝo donu pluvon al la homa mondo. Tiam drako estis simbolo de la supernatura estaĵo."

    (Note, though, that due to modern computers and typing systems most users opt for the "x-convention" which in typed Esperanto replaces the letters with ^ with a silent x immediately following the letter: instead of "Ĉinio" (China) one would type it as "Cxinio". Handwritten Esperanto can be written either way.)

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