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    Right, it's living for death. Ignore this world and meditate, meditate, aum, aum, aum... that sounds like a terrible existence.

    Makes me think of what McNallen says about Buddhism (though it applies to Hinduism as well) in this video:



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    As far as I know the notion of Maya, the world is illusionary, became popular through the tantrism of Shankarya, which means is of a newer date and therefore reflects a fashion of his time.

    From what I know it is not Aryan at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    As far as I know the notion of Maya, the world is illusionary, became popular through the tantrism of Shankarya, which means is of a newer date and therefore reflects a fashion of his time.

    From what I know it is not Aryan at all.
    Maya can be found in the Bhagavad Gita, but yes it did find its most extreme forms in the Advaita Vedanta of Shankara. However, Shankara's Vedanta isn't Tantrism. Actually much of Tantrism was a critique or reaction against Shankara's radical non-dualism.

    Tantrism isn't entirely un-Aryan either. Tantrism has various influences from pre-Aryan Indian cults, but these were interpreted and transformed through their contact with Aryan Vedic metaphysics, especially the Samkhya school.

    Even still, I wouldn't say maya always means the world is just one big illusion that should be ignored. I think in many cases it is much like Plato's allegory of the cave.

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    Now, it was announced in January, a civilization has been uncovered that would have appeared just as ancient to the people who built the pyramids as the pyramids seem to us.

    According to marine scientists in India, archaeological remains of this lost city have been discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India. And carbon dating says that they are 9,500 years old.

    This news completely contradicts the position of most Western historians and archaeologists, who (because it did not fit their theories) have always rejected, ignored, or suppressed evidence of an older view of mankind's existence on planet Earth. Human civilization is now provably much more ancient than many have believed.

    According to the BBC's Tom Housden, reporting on the Cambay find:

    The vast city — which is five miles long and two miles wide — is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.

    The site was discovered by chance last year by oceanographers from India's National Institute of Ocean Technology, who were conducting a survey of pollution.

    Using sidescan sonar, which sends a beam of sound waves down to the bottom of the ocean, they identified huge geometrical structures at a depth of 120 feet.

    Debris recovered from the site — including construction material, pottery, sections of walls, beads, sculpture, and human bones and teeth — has been carbon dated and found to be nearly 9,500 years old (BBC article).

    Several reports confirm this estimate. Housden added, "The whole model of the origins of civilisation will have to be remade from scratch."

    Unheard-of Scope of Cambay Ruins

    The BBC article tells us that the remains of this ancient city stand upon "enormous foundations." Marine archaeologists discovered them with a technology known as "sub-bottom profiling."

    Author and filmmaker Graham Hancock, an authority on archaeological investigations of ancient civilizations, reportedly said that the evidence was compelling. For example, he said that the oceanographers had found two large blocks that were larger than anything that's ever been found. "Cities on this scale," Hancock told BBC Online, "are not known in the archaeological record until roughly 4,500 years ago when the first big cities begin to appear in Mesopotamia.

    Theorists are postulating that the area where this city exists was submerged when the ice caps melted at the end of the last Ice Age.

    "A month ago in mid-January [2002]," says Hancock on his website, "marine scientists in India announced they had sonar images of square and rectangular shapes about 130 feet down off the northwestern coast of India in the Gulf of Khambhat (Cambay). .*.*. [There are] sonar shapes with 90-degree angles. The Indian Minister of Science and Technology ordered that the site be dredged. What was found has surprised archaeologists around the world" (GrahamHancock.com/news.)

    The Find Includes Human Remains

    Linda Moulton Howe, who investigates occurrences of this type worldwide, interviewed Michael Cremo about this new discovery. Cremo is a researcher and author of the book Forbidden Archaeology. Cremo, Howe said, has visited India and attended local meetings about the Cambay site.

    "Within the past few months," Cremo told her, "the engineers began some dredging operations there and they pulled up human fossil bones, fossil wood, stone tools, pieces of pottery, and many other things that indicated that it indeed was a human habitation site that they had. And they were able to do more intensive sonar work there and were able to identify more structures. They appeared to have been laid out on the bank of a river that had been flowing from the Indian subcontinent out into that area."

    According to Howe:

    Even if we don't know what the cultural background of the people is, if it does happen to be a city that is 9500 years old, that is older than the Sumerian civilization by several thousand years. It is older than the Egyptian, older than the Chinese. So it would radically affect our whole picture of the development of urban civilization on this planet.

    Now, if it further happens that additional research is able to identify the culture of the people who lived in that city that's now underwater — if it turns out they are a Vedic people, which I think is quite probable given the location of this off the coast of India — I think that would radically change the whole picture of Indian history which has basically been written by Western archaeologists.
    To read about the previously most ancient finds in India, at Harappan, and their relationship to Vedic tradition, please see Linda Moulton Howe's article at her website EarthFiles.com.

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    What that means is that there was a civilization in India which is the oldest now so far known.

    we know bones have been found and we have not heard to which race those people belonged.

    we know that the oldest civilization in India was Aryan.

    My guess is, that the people who built the city have been white/Aryan people.

    the Vedas go most likely much further back as assumed.

    It is also known t me that what worked before the Kali Yuga does not necessarily work during the Kali Yuga.

    We are dealing with the situation now. what we get from the Vedas has to be tested whether it is helpful for the aim we have, not simply believe what is written in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    What that means is that there was a civilization in India which is the oldest now so far known.

    we know bones have been found and we have not heard to which race those people belonged.

    we know that the oldest civilization in India was Aryan.

    My guess is, that the people who built the city have been white/Aryan people.
    While this is an interesting article, that city would have existed long before Aryan India. Unless of course you believe that the proto-Indo-European urheimat is in India, in which case it is possible that they were Aryan. It is more likely that this is one of the most ancient Aryan cities:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaim

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    Its the way of balance with nature, and the best way is to not interact with.

    It goes deeper you dont understand or dont explain the underlying principles of meditation. You are biased making fast judements. Its only because you dont understand, its not said its bad... Its said that the material world is a illusion and the sprititual world is the place you need to reside. and this is done by meditating and finding peace and harmony in "nothing" which means, you dont think. Think nothing, nothing is form, form is nothing. tssssss, bad is a christian term anyhow

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    The Vedic religion or Vedanta might be the closest you will find to a living European polytheistic religion. The so-called pre-Zoroastrian sects among Turks, Kurds and Albanians are all of course deeply influenced by Abrahamic faiths, they are not pristine, nor is the living paganism of the Caucasus Highlands. Uralic paganism persists round the Urals especially among the rural Mari but again its been influenced by Christianity and modern revivalist notions. The Kalash people still maintain something similar to ancient Vedanta in Chitral.

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    Vedic religion is the oldest form of religion, it is Aryan, it is functional, and we still have all the texts and practices.

    The thousands years-old Aryan Vedic religion seems to me much more appropriate than "heathen" revivalism, which is almost entirely based on the late Icelandic sources (when that religion was disappearing and they finally decided to put it in writing) like the Edda, so we may never reconstruct it accurately (some people are really trying hard, but all they do to make it work is copy/pasting their notions of Kabbalah and astrology onto the Elder Futhark, or similar attempts to prove "their" religion is indeed working...)

    The Vedas also uses Sanskrit, which is the most perfect language - much more perfect than the Icelandic language used by the reconstructionists.

    In the Golden Age of Germanic heathenism, other, more pure primal languages were spoken during the rituals. This is what Guido von List and the Armanists were researching (the connections between the runes, the language, the primal sounds, the Sinnbilder...), much more scientifically than modern-day neo-pagans...

    Now all we have is idiots playing with a Thor's hammer, doing fake rituals in the forest, or things of that kind - none of them seeming to realize that the Thor/Donar's hammer was a very minor symbol of that religion (it was worn in the latter period, to distinguish themselves from the Christians, that's about all there is to it)!

    Therefore IMO, if you want a real functioning religion (not some folklore in which the practitioners themselves don't even really believe), one should learn and practice Vedism.

    Armanism is the true Germanic complement to Vedic studies - however it is much more sophisticated than the Wuotanism usually associated with neo-pagans. It is a true spiritual path, not just a "religion for families", feel-good rituals, etc. It goes much deeper than that.

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