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    Cameron's Father-in-law Warns Lords Reforms Could Lead to BNP Peers

    Viscount Astor, who is married to Samantha Cameron's mother, accused the Government of a producing a “cobbled-together” reform plan to appease the Liberal Democrats.

    The Coalition has proposed introducing elections to a smaller upper house by 2015, a suggestion that has angered many Conservatives.

    The Lib Dems, the main advocates of elections to the Lords, want the elections to the reformed Lords to be conducted under a form of proportional representation, the single transferable vote.

    Conservative critics think that would create a significant and effectively permanent voting bloc of Labour and Lib Dem peers in the upper house, severely limiting the powers of any future Conservative government.

    In a speech in the House of Lords, Viscount Astor noted that a joint committee that examined the Government's proposals, has suggested the reformed Lords should have of 450 members.

    On the basis of recent opinion poll findings, that house would have about 45 UK Independence Party members and 10 BNP members, he said.

    "In fact Ukip could have more peers than the Lib Dems. Ukip stand to gain most and, the rather frightening thought, the BNP might for the first time be represented in Westminster. One would have thought that was the very last thing the coalition would want."

    Several Conservative government aides in the Commons have signalled they are prepared to quit over the reform, and Viscount Astor urged ministers to listen to those MPs.

    He said: "The proposed Lords reform is heading for an almighty train crash. I wonder whether sensible voices will be heard down the other end, or whether the train will have to crash before a sensible plan appears.”

    This is not the viscount’s first public attack on the policies of Mr Cameron’s Governmment.

    In January, he claimed the proposed high-speed rail link between London and Birmingham could end up “ruining the lives of thousands”.

    He is one of a significant number of senior peers to have raised doubts about the proposed reforms.

    Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, a former Cabinet miniters, told the Lords the plans are a "Trojan horse" which would undermine the authority of the Commons.

    Lord Kakkar, a leading crossbench peer, said the Coalition has not answered many of the fundamental constitutional questions raised by its proposals.

    He said: "It seems very unwise to proceed with the creation of an elected second chamber unless the important issues of the power of the two chambers, how disputes are to be resolved, the potential role the Supreme Court may play in resolving disputes - and therefore how Parliament maybe secured as sovereign in the future - are properly defined."

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    Conservitive upper crustian and member of the House of Lords is upset that people might vote in mean and nasty nationalists, and also the anti-EU UKIP who would have more seats in it than the darling lib dems, oh noez

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    Indeed, it also shows that the Conservatives could just as well change there name. Their resistance is not informed by a desire to make the House of Lords back in to the instute it was before politicians like Churchill passed their reforms, but by a fear that it would lead to a solid position of political parties they oppose. Because as far as this article goes, they have no problem with the concept itself. Very nonconservative if you ask me.
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    Well the similarities with conservatives in the UK and Australia, be they go by the term "Social Liberal Conservatives". In other words the party is orientated towards right Liberalism. Just as the Labor Party is Left Liberalism.

    Same car, a few different turns along the route, ultimately the same end destination, or the end of history as it's called by Liberals.

    It's good the UKIP and BNP are redefining the definition of conservatism, pushing the Liberal right towards conservatism and hopefully traditionalism.

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