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    Point of View Regarding the Gods?

    I have been working out such a thought experiment in my mind. What do those here think of the Gods and Goddesses as Spirits of our tribe?

    We could say each ethno-group has their own guiding spirits that have shaped them over the generations from their beginning. This ideal puts those "Gods" and "Goddesses" to a place of ethno-centricism for that specific folk group.

    As opposed to say Germanic Gods and Goddesses as somehow pulling the strings for all of existence. We could say that the folk spirits of our Germanic folk working for the interests of our people in that regard.

    So, pulling back to the big picture.. with each folk group having their Spirits that have been with them since the beginning, we then have an over arching presence, for lack of our own understanding that would then be seen simply as the Chief of the Chiefs.

    Now, I have also thought as well that it need not even be a sentient force. It could be as simple as a force, very crudely like karma, that follows a law of cause and effect. Whilst also keeping from the fallacy of considering Wyrd as a deity in itself.

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    Our ancestors believed in these gods or used the stories as inspiration to do great things. Their greatness, endurance and beautiful culture is what I admire and honor. I am unsure of actual gods, maybe they actually exist/existed, maybe not.

    I hope there is an afterlife and I'll find out when I die, either way I'll aspire to die the way my ancestors respected in order to preserve that aspect of our culture, gods or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski View Post
    Our ancestors believed in these gods or used the stories as inspiration to do great things. Their greatness, endurance and beautiful culture is what I admire and honor. I am unsure of actual gods, maybe they actually exist/existed, maybe not.
    Good point. This is where I find I agree more with Atheist Nationalists than Christian ones. Merely because, it's more of a cultural thing. Even if you don't believe, I find it far more inspiring to have a naturally war-like, survival of the fittest religion than that other one about a middle-eastern carpenter; (granted in the Old Testament Yahweh is a murderous nut).

    We could say each ethno-group has their own guiding spirits that have shaped them over the generations from their beginning. This ideal puts those "Gods" and "Goddesses" to a place of ethno-centricism for that specific folk group.
    This is one thing I've been wondering about a lot too. I'm not educated in Germanic religion as much as I am in Hellenic/Roman polytheism. Some things match up very well between the two, but some do not.

    For example, Odin was the main God of the Germanic tribes, yet he was synchronised with the relatively unimportant messenger-God Mercury/Hermes by Tacitus. Thor is confusing, he's been synchronised with both Jupiter/Zeus and Hercules, though I think Hercules makes more sense.

    I would go as far to suggest that we could perhaps synchronise all of the ancient Indo-European pantheons with enough thought. But it isn't really necessary, as Germanics.

    Perhaps the fact that Odin and Thor were the most common Gods among the tribes encountered by Rome, and the victims of the Vikings, does not mean that Odin was necessarily the head of that Pantheon. It may be similar to assuming that Athena was the head-goddess of the Hellenic pantheon merely because she was the patron-Goddess of Athens.

    I don't really know, it's a lot to do with perspective. Apparently the Germanic tribes started to give more attention to Tyr than Odin during the 'barbarian invasion' period. It's a real shame that most of literary accounts from this period are not from our actual ancestors, but mostly from Romans and Christians.

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    The Gods are older than the tribes. They go across tribal lines meaning you find the same Gods in Celtic, Germanic and Slavic pantheons.

    It seems to be more a racial pantheon. The Aryan root race was created/molded by the Aryan Gods. the root race then split into different groups. Some smaller groups miscenegated with others, like Egyptians, Sumer, Inka ( Ing = Germanic name for Gods) etc.

    The purity of the race determines the connection we have to the Gods. In our DNA lie our Gods as we are their creation and are shaped after them. therefore we are part of the Gods and become or are already Gods, so to say their extension on the material plane. Our race are their body.
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    well if you look into the germanic religion there is indeed some kind of force beyond the gods, that even the gods have to bow to : wyrd
    There won't be humans in 500 years. Enough people choke themselves when they jerk off we gave it a name. We ain't a species made to last.

    Judging by it´s name common sense must once have been a pretty common thing. When and why did that change, so it became the rare treasure it is today???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    The Gods are older than the tribes. They go across tribal lines meaning you find the same Gods in Celtic, Germanic and Slavic pantheons.

    It seems to be more a racial pantheon. The Aryan root race was created/molded by the Aryan Gods. the root race then split into different groups. Some smaller groups miscenegated with others, like Egyptians, Sumer, Inka ( Ing = Germanic name for Gods) etc.

    The purity of the race determines the connection we have to the Gods. In our DNA lie our Gods as we are their creation and are shaped after them. therefore we are part of the Gods and become or are already Gods, so to say their extension on the material plane. Our race are their body.
    Well, one thing I have learnt in all of my studies is that it pretty much goes like this; we Aryan people were the ultimate of the Gods' creation, those with a natural superiority over all others on this planet. From looking at multiple Creation stories across our pantheons, that is what is evident. All others were 'screwups' if you like, while we stand at the top of the pyramid of human races.

    Another extremely interesting thing, is that as far as Aztec civilisation, they worshipped Gods who appeared to be Aryan. Quetzlcoatl was depicted as an Aryan man, which explains why Hernan Cortes was mistaken for the God.

    I would stretch as far to say that Japanese Shinto is a splinter off of our own religion, as some tales in that seem to relate to the River Styx stories of Hellenic religion, and the polytheism.

    Hinduism is a bastardisation of the original Aryan Vedic religion, whose King God was Dyaus-Pitr, an obvious root of Jupiter/Zeus-Pitar. It is interesting because the Hindu caste system, put simply, is more Aryan in appearance = higher ranking in society.

    All this just shows that we are the ultimate race. The Jews just ripped off our religion to convince themselves that they're the 'chosen people'.

    My theory though, is that Yahweh was just a local God. A usurper, but in the grand picture of things, a pathetic one whose greatest 'contribution' were those middle eastern bignoses. Read the Old Testament, numerous times Yahweh says 'we', implying the presence of others. Yet, apparently, there is no one to equal Yahweh, so I don't see why he would be speaking to a group. My answer? Plagiarism from the Aryan religion.

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    The other interesting thing is the odd deal with "Hinduism" (Aryan Vedic religion): It seems to directly conflict with Heathenism and other European religions on the question of life itself. In Hinduism, life and this world are basically bad things. We're here because of our own ignorance, we'd be better off not living in this world, and the ultimate goal is to reunite with "Brahman" and just exist and do nothing. On the other hand, in Heathenry and other Northern religions, life is basically good, this world is supposed to exist, and, though we are to live by strict honor codes, we do not have to deny this life in the way Vedic religion demands. What are your thoughts on this?

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    Yeah, its called 'nihilism'. Probably why they haven't advanced as much. Too busy thinking that time here is pointless and why bother.

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    But the thing is, Vedic religion was founded by Aryans. The ancient texts were written down by Aryans, it is originally an Aryan religion. What I'm wondering is, it being an Aryan religion, why the conflict in that basic principle (Earthly life basically good or basically evil)?

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    We know the root but, how much do we know of it has it been twisted? Indians are hardly what we would know as pure.

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