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    B.U.G.S., White Rabbit, White Genocide, Etc.

    I assume that, at some point in Skadi's life, these related things have been discussed at length. I did various searches, and couldn't find any long thread on the matter (save a very relevant one that was mostly in Norwegian, which I cannot read). I'd be interested in reading the opinions of Skadi members on anything related to the groups, tactics, message, etc., of that "camp".

    My biases relative to this: I am not a member of B.U.G.S., but I started reading Bob's blog and the Swarm almost daily after beginning to listen to Follow the White Rabbit around last October or so. There are times when I think that whole approach is the best thing going for "us", and that it has the most chance of success.

    I realize that the "pan-white" nature of their propaganda is different from the specifically pro-Germanic emphasis of Skadi, but I don't think the two are necessarily opposed. From what I gather, B.U.G.S., and that approach, doesn't offer or prescribe any particular solution or social arrangement beyond the collapse of the anti-White system and our genocide, and one could use their mantra, means, etc., with the intention of preserving Germanic genetics and nationalism once that system fails.

    I also realize that aspects of that approach can be discussed separately, as in:

    1) B.U.G.S., their methods, where they post, how they post, etc.

    2) The Mantra proper (the full mantra, written). As an aside, I must say that I do not see the Mantra as the silver bullet that many of them too. I find some of the mini-mantras more appealing and effective, e.g., "Africa for the Africans, Asian for the Asians, White Countries for Everybody?!?!?"

    3) The White Rabbit aspect. From what I gather reading online, Horus was asked to start the show to put people on Bob's consistent message, and the actual "talking points" given in that show aren't really unique to Follow the White Rabbit, but mostly spring from Bob's thought (not that Horus hasn't came up with any unique talking points or spins).

    That being said, I am particularly impressed with what "Horus" has achieved through this whole "White Rabbit" thing. I think, in a sense, he has done what C.S. Lewis did with Aslan (and this is neither to endorse or reject Christianity); that is, created an allegory that bypasses all the normal filters and preconceived notions, at least to an extent. It is very simple, granted, but I do think that talking about things in terms of white rabbits, pink rabbits, white rabbit holes, etc., can get an idea's foot in the door (for consideration, at least) that otherwise would have remained shut, because of the brainwashing and preconditioned responses most people have been given.

    I also appreciate their way of thinking. If I understand it aright, they are "not arguing, just making a point", imposing terminology, etc. I think there is some truth when Horus says that true information does not mean anything to demoralized people, and that, by and large, you aren't going to "wake people up" with I.Q. studies and crime statistics. It might wake up the occasional, rabbit, but I tend to agree with them when they say, "If that was going to work, it would have worked already."

    On one of the FTWR shows, Horus was saying how he responded to people who said that all races are 99% the same genetically. He said that a little girl was 60% genetically the same as a fruit fly, so that 1% must be pretty important. I think that gets to the heart of what I value about their approach.

    That is, people seem to be conditioned to ignore I.Q. studies, genetic differences, etc. The traditional response to that statement about races being 99% the same is to go into the definition of race, go into the study, talk about where it is right or wrong, what have you. But that pithy one liner is going to make an impact and give them something short and concise to remember.

    My apologies for the somewhat scattered (and unproofread) nature of this post. I am once again getting the reminder that I need to post, and I do want this account to stay active; but like I have said before, I am typically more interested in reading what others have to say. This is a sincere question, though, in that I really would value opinions on these issues.

    The pessimistic side of me thinks that I might be influenced by the confidence of others, and that this might be akin to the Amerindian Ghost Dance, pan-tribal movement (if I remember correctly), that many of them bought into, thinking the white man would be rolled away like a carpet from their land... and we see how that worked out.

    Oh, and lastly: If you think that the Mantra, the mini-mantras, and the white rabbit stuff are an utter waste of time and resources, what do you think, specifically, of framing "the issue" or in terms of White Genocide?

    And now I am 5 minutes away from leaving the house for work.



    All the best!

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    Yeah, it’s a fantastic approach. They’re just constantly poking at the contradictions inherent in the modern system.

    It puts the enemy on the defensive for a change and forces them to think.

    It gets people thinking about these things by putting them in a new context.

    And the constant repetition of the idea that the system is inherently anti-White will stick around in the sub-conscious minds of a hell of a lot of people.

    Who will then, over time perhaps, start to notice things they may not have otherwise noticed.

    And for anybody STILL not up to speed on this,

    Here’s Bob’s Underground Graduate Seminar

    Horus the Avenger’s Follow the White Rabbit

    Beefcake’s Bootcamp

    Horus the Avenger podcast interview at Counter-Currents

    Horus the Avenger interview on Voice of Reason Radio

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    Quote Originally Posted by VedicViking View Post

    It gets people thinking about these things by putting them in a new context.
    I agree. That is the aspect of their approach in which I am most interested, and I think that there are at least two major ways it places "the struggle" in a new context. The message of White Genocide itself places things in a new context for most people (especially the "white and normal" people that they are trying to reach), namely, because, to the "white and normal" people of the world, "our side" is associated with supremacism, separatism, Klan hoods, or, to sum it all up, everything we say is immediately put into their naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews mental folder.

    I think framing things in terms of white genocide comes at the "white and normal" people from an angle that triggers no preconditioned responses, which can allow them to chew on it more and be influenced by it.

    And I think Horus' show, imagery, language, etc., adds a new "visual" context (even the "visual" aspect of his language/allegory) to that "new" message of genocide. When people see Confederate Flags (not that I don't love them), swastikas, angry white werewolves with guns, etc., on Youtube videos, they have a programmed visceral reaction.

    When they see a cartoon white rabbit set to a video with an "Alvin & the Chipmunks"-esque voice, their reaction will probably be more along the lines of a "WTF", and it won't trigger those reactions:

    BANNED IN GERMANY - The Anthem - ANTI RACIST IS A CODEWORD FOR ANTI WHITE -


    Apparently this video was "inspired" by the White Rabbit stuff, and wasn't even put up by their core "team", from what I gather. As was, I think, this one:

    TO BE OR NOT TO BE


    And then you have people doing stuff like this:

    Create Account|Sign In Browse|Movies |Upload White Rabbit Radio - Offline Activism


    I just really appreciate the energy and creativity that this group is inspiring. And the Bugsers are the ones who created this video (I figure 99% of the people on here know that, but just in case... and from what Horus has said, there are more animations coming out later...):

    How whites took over America


    One of my criticisms of and/or questions about, specifically, what they do on B.U.G.S., relates to the manner in which they post or swarm a thread. Ideally, I would ask this on B.U.G.S. itself, but I gather that Bob's site is a "work area", and the only people I see posting on it are committed Bugsers, not random people with questions like myself. I also see them emphasize "action" time and again, so I doubt they would have much patience for armchair theorizing about their methods.

    That being said, when I read through some of the swarmed Youtube videos, my criticism would be that it all sounds so similar, almost like spam. I am not talking about the "similarity" of the messages itself, because I have no problem with their "broken record" approach when it comes to the message.

    I assume that one of the intended effects of the Swarm is that the "white and normal" people will see multiple "people" talking about white genocide on any given targeted area. That creates a kind of "harmonics", to use Horus' term. I just think that the approach is undercut when almost all of the comments look the same (and some of them even use an "app" or computer program that is stocked with mini-mantras they can cut and paste). But the same words are typically capitalized, the same format is used... and sometimes it just seems like, well, spam.

    I think that the "numbers" effect would be amplified if everyone had their own "aesthetic voice" (I don't know what else to call it). To use an example, I can read the Cappadocian fathers, Augustine, G.K. Chesterton, and C.S. Lewis on the doctrine of the Trinity. While they are all making essentially the same points (Eastern-Western differences and idiosyncrasies aside), they all have different literary "voices". You could strip the covers off of the book, and I'd still know who I was reading, because of their style.

    Granted, that level of "voice" is impossible to achieve in character-limited Youtube comments, and I doubt that I am even explaining myself well, but I think that the "harmonics" effect would be greatly amplified if the "lurker" or "white and normal reader/observer" got the impression that individual white people all really believed in this message, had made it their own, and they each had a "voice". I know that really can't be achieved to any great degree on the internet, and it's nigh impossible on Youtube videos, but as much as I endorse it, sometimes I read through those swarmed videos, and it just looks almost like a computer program is posting the same thing over and over, capitalizing the same words... there isn't much flavor or customization to it.

    I suppose their retort would be, "well, the masses are asses, and that's what works". I just wonder how it would work if a few posters tried that approach on a message board, and allowed some of their own personalities and writing style to permeate what they wrote, all while working in mini-mantras and Mantra Thinking. I just wonder if it would be more effective.

    I have two other main criticisms/questions too, one less relevant, one probably more relevant, but I think that I'm about typed out at the moment.

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    I like the white rabbit thing and have used some of the basics in my posts on more main stream forums or comment sections.

    I think it is better than doing nothing and has at lest a chance of working.

    Anyway it is fun to call left wing people anti white racist bigots and to accuse them of planing re-education camps and mass killings. They get very upset when you point out the left are the true centre for hate in politics and they are the tyrants. I guess they want to have the feel good factor of the moral high ground so anything that weakens their footing seems to get them down.

    Also the question "why do you hate white people?" always gets good results as any reply seems damming.

    I agree its good to get a bit individual with it and mix it into real arguments. Don't show hate to any other group and call them on any indication of hatred towards whites or based on class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kveldssanger View Post
    I also appreciate their way of thinking. If I understand it aright, they are "not arguing, just making a point", imposing terminology, etc. I think there is some truth when Horus says that true information does not mean anything to demoralized people, and that, by and large, you aren't going to "wake people up" with I.Q. studies and crime statistics.
    The first indications to the mind that a thing is untrue, is excessive explanation and repetition. The subconscious can reject a premise when it recognizes the logical fallacy of the conclusion, is the case with the above examples.

    The behavior of an individual reflects the subconscious aspect of the mind. The mind will, as Orwell demonstrated, can resist a logical fallacy under the greatest duress because the subconscious directs behavior even though the conscious believes otherwise and wants to give in.

    What is pragmatically and empirically true is accepted by the mind through the process of logical deduction. In this case, one may believe and spread the belief that fire does not burn, but under normal circumstances even the most convinced will not put this belief to the test by voluntarily standing in the midst of fire. This is because the part of the mind that dictates behavior knows better from experience.

    So, on the issue of human relations, the humanist neglects the particular importance and the racist neglects the general. Both positions to the subconscious are illogical extremes and so the behavior of each tends to be more sensible than the belief is and this should remain so as long as the subconscious operates properly.

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    I am really concern about the Anti White video when It mentioned-

    IN 1900, 35% whites Inhabited the earth.

    Today- 8% whites Inhabited this earth.

    Had we passed the no go back zone of no return to survive?

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    The Mantra’s ace.

    Most – if not all – White anti-Whites are self-deceiving: on the sub-conscious level they’re pro-White and racialist, but at the conscious level they’re anti-White (or ‘neutral’, lol) and race blind. Targeting this contradiction once will produce a bit of cognitive dissonance. Targeting it constantly and relentlessly will over time produce real change. In fact, many psychologists claim that eliciting cognitive dissonance is the foundation of much persuasion and/or influence.

    Another good thing about The Mantra is that anybody with half a brain can tease out the principles behind it and create endless examples of the exact same sort of thing:


    If Diversity is so great why are White people constantly fleeing it?

    If being a minority is so bad why are we being forced to become minorities in our own homelands?

    America’s finance, politics, academia, and media is dominated by an ethnic group which comprises no more than 3% of its population – yet no American can point this out in public.

    Racism schmacism, death to Newspeak!

    If Tibet is deliberately flooded with millions of non-Tibetans it’s cultural genocide; if Europe is deliberately flooded with millions of non-Europeans it’s Diversity.

    Why shouldn’t Europeans object to the on-going Islamisation of their continent if they don’t know where or even if it will end?

    If I advocate for Jewish ethnic interests in Britain it’s encouraged, if I advocate for Kurdish ethnic interests in Britain it’s encouraged, if I advocate for Black interests in Britain it’s encouraged; if I advocate for BRITISH ethnic interests in BRITAIN I lose my livelihood, I’m threatened with imprisonment and I’m attacked by gangs of anarcho-communist thugs with the tacit approval of the state.


    Just attack the contradictions over, over and over…

    Keep firing at them!

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