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    Arrow Confirmed: Pre-Neolithic Nordic Hunters and Southern Europeans Are NOT the Same People

    Origins and Genetic Legacy of Neolithic Farmers and Hunter-Gatherers in Europe

    Pontus Skoglund1,*, Helena Malmström1, Maanasa Raghavan2, Jan Storå3, Per Hall4, Eske Willerslev2, M. Thomas P. Gilbert2, Anders Götherström1,5,*,†, Mattias Jakobsson

    The farming way of life originated in the Near East some 11,000 years ago and had reached most of the European continent 5000 years later. However, the impact of the agricultural revolution on demography and patterns of genomic variation in Europe remains unknown. We obtained 249 million base pairs of genomic DNA from ~5000-year-old remains of three hunter-gatherers and one farmer excavated in Scandinavia and find that the farmer is genetically most similar to extant southern Europeans, contrasting sharply to the hunter-gatherers, whose distinct genetic signature is most similar to that of extant northern Europeans. Our results suggest that migration from southern Europe catalyzed the spread of agriculture and that admixture in the wake of this expansion eventually shaped the genomic landscape of modern-day Europe.
    Source: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/336/6080/466.abstract

    PLoS ONE 7(4): e34417. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0034417

    Ancient DNA from Hunter-Gatherer and Farmer Groups from Northern Spain Supports a Random Dispersion Model for the Neolithic Expansion into Europe

    Montserrat Hervella et al.

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    Background/Principal Findings

    The phenomenon of Neolithisation refers to the transition of prehistoric populations from a hunter-gatherer to an agro-pastoralist lifestyle. Traditionally, the spread of an agro-pastoralist economy into Europe has been framed within a dichotomy based either on an acculturation phenomenon or on a demic diffusion. However, the nature and speed of this transition is a matter of continuing scientific debate in archaeology, anthropology, and human population genetics. In the present study, we have analyzed the mitochondrial DNA diversity in hunter-gatherers and first farmers from Northern Spain, in relation to the debate surrounding the phenomenon of Neolithisation in Europe.

    Conclusion

    The differences detected in the mitochondrial DNA lineages of Neolithic groups studied so far (including these ones of this study) suggest different genetic impact of Neolithic in Central Europe, Mediterranean Europe and the Cantabrian fringe. The genetic data obtained in this study provide support for a random dispersion model for Neolithic farmers. This random dispersion had a different impact on the various geographic regions, and thus contradicts the more simplistic total acculturation and replacement models proposed so far to explain Neolithisation.
    Source: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0034417

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    http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2012...erers-and.html

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    It is a fitting corner stone of the idea that Nordids are basically lightened Meds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    It is a fitting corner stone of the idea that Nordids are basically lightened Meds.
    Maybe 100 years ago... but if my info is wrong you have to explain why, if Nordids are only "lightened Meds", scientists have found at least two bigs genetic groups in Europe, one of them located mainly in the North of the continent (of Pre-Neolithic Hunters ancestry), and the other one in the South (of Neolithic farmers ancestry). Neolithic farmers were not native Europeas, but the first immigrats of the continent.

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    Would it be wrong to assume large(r) numbers of pre-neolithic Hunters, combined with the likelyhood of them interbreeding with neanderthals in a larger degree than southern farmers, altered the genetic makeup of present northern europeans? For instants with lactose (in)tolerance into adulthood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Maybe 100 years ago... but if my info is wrong you have to explain why, if Nordids are only "lightened Meds", scientists have found at least two bigs genetic groups in Europe, one of them located mainly in the North of the continent (of Pre-Neolithic Hunters ancestry), and the other one in the South (of Neolithic farmers ancestry). Neolithic farmers were not native Europeas, but the first immigrats of the continent.

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    Are you stupid?
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