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    Can we take Prussia back from the Russians and the Poles?

    Do you think that someday we could take back Prussia from the Russians and Poles? It was sad to see a beautiful German city like Königsberg taken over by the Russians and all the Germans kicked out and Soviet citizens brought in to populate the city. I think there should be a movement to take back our lost territories!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWkid View Post
    Do you think that someday we could take back Prussia from the Russians and Poles? It was sad to see a beautiful German city like Königsberg taken over by the Russians and all the Germans kicked out and Soviet citizens brought in to populate the city. I think there should be a movement to take back our lost territories!
    To what end? The government would only flood the place with Turks and negroes from darkest Africa. Our people in Europe are now having to defend the very concept that their homelands are a place for them, not just any third world refugee the captive government decides to put there. If and when Prussia is returned to Germany, it should be a place for Germans to live and raise their families, not for Turks or other foreigners.
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    No one gives up gained territory without war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWkid View Post
    I think there should be a movement to take back our lost territories!
    Assuming that the nation Germany is "we", there was actually a point where East Prussia could've been returned. During the last years of the Soviet Union, they offered to sell East Prussia back to Germany. However, the Germans refused to have it.

    But HoM is basically right. Germany is not about to "think ethnically" or reclaim anything, in this day and age where the very concept that Germany is for the Germans has been eroded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Assuming that the nation Germany is "we", there was actually a point where East Prussia could've been returned. During the last years of the Soviet Union, they offered to sell East Prussia back to Germany. However, the Germans refused to have it.
    Well, as far as I know the semi-serious offer was not about whole East Prussia (which would have included large parts of Poland and Lithuania ) but only about the Russian "Oblast Kaliningrad": The city of former Königsberg and the surrounding region. That´s a Russian exclave between Lithuania and Poland today.


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    Also to return to Germany Schlesien where my Family originially came from and my name also.The once beautiful lands of Von Richthofen were stolen from Germany after WW2 along with other parts of Ost Preussen and Sudetenland traditional Germanic homelands.Because of much pressure to revise or reverse "ethnic cleansing" there is much talk and actually political groups working toward this.Since after WW2 when the Germans were ousted and the Poles moved in Schlesien (Silesia) is in a sorry state of rundown sadly.Many Germans have recently moved into this area and also Czech Sudetenland and are working toward restoration.I believe the Polish government is now allowing German speaking schools in once German territory due to political pressure.I certainly do not know what the outcome will be but Poltical pressure from Kurt Waldheim in the once Austrian Tirol in the 80's changed much in the German speaking Tirol to the point that Italy owns the area but the people are their own entity now.

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    During the last years of the Soviet Union, they offered to sell East Prussia back to Germany. However, the Germans refused to have it.
    I often wonder why the German government refused what was effectively an offer by the Russians to return Kaliningrad.

    You don't think there were other players involved behind the scenes, do you?

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    Most people do not realize that over 2 million German civilians were murdered and over 10 Million ethnicaly cleansed from Eastern Prussia at the end and AFTER WW2. Due to "holocost propaganda" after WW2 Germanic voices had been silenced...but no longer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordlander View Post
    Most people do not realize that over 2 million German civilians were murdered and over 10 Million ethnicaly cleansed from Eastern Prussia at the end and AFTER WW2. Due to "holocost propaganda" after WW2 Germanic voices had been silenced...but no longer!
    The loss of the eastern terretories and the reunification of West-Germany with Middle-Germany (DDR) was a very wide discussed issue in german politics in the 50s and 60s, the jewish holocaust was not (it was since late 60s). Every german in this time knew what terrible things happened in that ethnic cleansing against the german prussians. And today at least every german with East-German (grand)grandparents knows that.

    Today Königsberg, along with all other cities, is settled by polish/russian people in the third or forth generation. They were displaced by Stalin themselves and did not forced the germans to leave and there is no possibility to get the territories back. This was never a question for my grandparents, no matter how sad it is.

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    My favorite prussian and one of my top heroes and most respected people in all time and history. The top world war one ace of all time with 80 confirmed kills Manfred Von Richthofen.
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