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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    I often wonder why the German government refused what was effectively an offer by the Russians to return Kaliningrad.
    I believe it was because they thought trying to undo the damage would cost too much and take too long to yield any benefits...which is of course a poor excuse.


    Even today, the region is a desolate wasteland.
    http://englishrussia.com/2010/03/12/...castle…/


    Even the city of Königsberg itself has made little progress.
    http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...3&postcount=10


    Quote Originally Posted by Haduloha View Post
    The loss of the eastern terretories and the reunification of West-Germany with Middle-Germany (DDR) was a very wide discussed issue in german politics in the 50s and 60s,
    Could you tell me more about this era? I've seen these images posted on Skadi before, and they really intrigue me.

    All that is necessary for Evil to triumph is for good Men to do Nothing. ~ Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balders gate View Post
    My favorite prussian and one of my top heroes and most respected people in all time and history. The top world war one ace of all time with 80 confirmed kills Manfred Von Richthofen.
    My Great Grand fathers brother flew in Von Richthofen's squadron and according to the German Jasta war records was killed flying an Albatros on 2 June 1917.I have found the records where he is buried (some actually have pictures of the grave marker),but I cant find the cemetery listed today

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    Honestly seeing all those pictures from that link you posted Hilderinc evokes a sense of nostalgia and sadness in me. It's honestly a tragedy what has happen to that once German region/city. It also angers me and if there was a legion to join or a campaign to take back these lands I would be tempted to participate. The city of Königsberg under the Germans was a beautiful city look what it has become under Slavic hands, it's a destitute place!

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    Breslau as Von Richthofen would have remembered it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    I often wonder why the German government refused what was effectively an offer by the Russians to return Kaliningrad.

    You don't think there were other players involved behind the scenes, do you?
    It's the same reason why Finns would not accept the parts of Karelia they used to own. Germany would probably have been bankrupted trying to restore Preussen.

    With regards to the first few posts. I think the OP was going on the assumption that it would not be the current German government to regain those areas, but a true nationalist one.

    It is indeed sad though, a few of my family came from Schlesien. That entire region was nothing until Prussia turned it into an industrial powerhouse. You would think Polacks would not be immigrating en masse to Western Europe, after being given an entire country built off German labour and ingenuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordlander View Post
    Breslau as Von Richthofen would have remembered it.
    Very beautiful images !

    This is probably the last (but therfore already in Agfa-Color) footage (putting the 1944 color-movie "Kolberg" aside) that was shot when West-Prussia was still German.

    "Land an der Weichsel" (1943). As shown in German MSM channel NDR.

    The film is nothing but riverboat voyage down the Vistula.
    Thorn, Marienwerder, Marienburg etc down to Danzig where the Vistula ends in the Baltic Sea.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krähe View Post
    You would think Polacks would not be immigrating en masse to Western Europe, after being given an entire country built off German labour and ingenuity.
    We have a saying in German. Polackenwirtschaft. It means "Polish business". That explains everything.
    Das Recht und die Gerechtigkeit haben nur selten miteinander etwas zu tun. Höchstens machen sie winki winki wenn sie aneinander vorbei gehen.
    The Law and Justice have only seldom anything to do with one another. At the most they wave at each other when they pass one another on the street.
    Niemals vergessen. Niemals vergeben.

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    Nordlander, thank you for those pictures. I wonder what those same places look like now. Maybe better not to know.
    Das Recht und die Gerechtigkeit haben nur selten miteinander etwas zu tun. Höchstens machen sie winki winki wenn sie aneinander vorbei gehen.
    The Law and Justice have only seldom anything to do with one another. At the most they wave at each other when they pass one another on the street.
    Niemals vergessen. Niemals vergeben.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilderinc View Post


    Could you tell me more about this era? I've seen these images posted on Skadi before, and they really intrigue me.
    As far as I know, there were never a possibility to reunify all three regions of the German Reich. Every german party after the war just used the desire of the germans for reunion to win elections. In fact they had never the power to decide about that, but the expellees were a considerable (organised) voting bloc . The german government had not the power for that decision even in 1989.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Expellees

    Furthermore I know that Stalin offered the Western-Allies and Adenauer to reunite West- and Middlegermany under the condition that Germany would be a neutral state (neither NATO nor eastern bloc). Adenauer refused that. Some people say it was a big mistake. Some people say it was wise, because a neutral german state would easily get under the influence of soviet-controlled german communist parties, that were already powerful in the 40s.

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