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Thread: Do You Use "Vain Repetitions" when You Pray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStormer View Post
    In the New Testament, Jesus says to his disciples, "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
    I am merely pointing out the obvious here, but Jesus weren't referring to Asatru/Odinist/Germanic Heathendom or any such when he made this statement. Jesus was a Jew who only knew of his immediate neighbourhood in Palestine and I wonder precisely what he meant by 'heathen' here, a part from 'Not Jewish'. There is no good reason to suppose that the use of pointless banter and repetitions when you approach the God(s) is divided between so squarely between Jews and Gentiles.

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    He was no doubt referring to the older Canaanite religions such as the Samaritans still practiced, as well as the Greco-Romans, which was the dominant culture at that time. Both of which utilized chanting in their prayer and worship. In fact, IIRC, all middle eastern religions used chanting prayer in their worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    I'm not buddy-buddy with God, nor should any heathen think he is with the Divines. This conception of the gods as your kind of drinking buddies who can shower down favor if you show them enough respect (and give them enough mead form your horn) is wholy modern in notion, far removed from the reverance the ancients had of their gods. As if you have something to prove by being so independent of them that you need not be formal in any approach. If that's the case, why believe in the first place? 21st century paganism :oanieye
    Formalism is for blots -- both personal and group.
    Their is no need for flowery language or self-abasement in daily dealings with them. In fact, most of your daily dealings will be with the house wights, land wights, etc.

    Our gods want strong followers who will stand with them, not obsequious followers to kneel before them. Simply follow the customs of respect, honor and hospitality with them and you're fine. Treat them as you would a father/mother or grandfather/grandmother. You use different behaviors and language around them than you do with your buddies on the street (unless you're just a lout). Just treat the gods the same way. They are our respected ancestors, not slave masters.

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    Praying

    The lips should speak as the heart bequests an audience with the most HIGH.
    Praise and thanksgiving mingled with cries for forgiveness should be the com-
    position of the supplicant's speech.God wants simplicity and honesty .He already knows what we need!!

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    I always make sure that when I talk about GODS, I use CAPITALS or SHOUT just to EMPHASIZE how IMPORTANT they ARE in COMPARISON to myself in a WEASEL like manner to SHOW my OWN ABASEMENT so that I am not SMOTE from EXISTENCE with lots of EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!!

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    When I thought of myself as Catholic, I used vain repetition all the time. I got around it by believing that it wasn't vain. Now I see that I was repeating myself a lot, which is an inherently vain thing to do. God knows our needs and shortcomings already. Our speech with God is a kind of personal alignment, or acknowledgement. How often would words need to be repeated to align oneself with reality or to acknowledge something? Probably not very many, not often.

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    I always thought that people who believed in Asatro didn't pray to their gods at all? I read somewhere that our ancestors never did, but maybe there's some kind of "modern" Asatro?

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    prayer beads

    I am planning on purchasing a set of Raven Kalderas Northern Tradition prayer beads,( http://www.pagan-prayerbeads.com/#north ) I expect that there will be a good deal of repetition in putting them to use. I wont however consider it vain unless I choose to wear them as jewelry.

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    But Jesus promoted formalized prayers like the our father in heaven. That beats the aim of not praying repetitive. I see a contradiction there.

    In orthodox Christianity they have exercises like the continuous prayer. They use the psalm: Lord, have mercy on me. The aim is to say it continually during the day and also get to the point to use it during the night.

    I know of it because in Systema, a Russian combat technique, it is used by the founders of this system and I spoke to them.

    It starts to repeat itself in the heart and then after many years it moves into the head. Over the years it produces higher states which are accompanied with extraordinary abilities.

    It may actually come from a heathen practice (though I doubt they would use Words like the psalms) as it is per definition by Jesus not a Christian practice but alien to that faith. Which words the heathens might have used is everyones speculation.

    Why Jesus had a beef with that practice I do not know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ylva View Post
    I always thought that people who believed in Asatro didn't pray to their gods at all? I read somewhere that our ancestors never did, but maybe there's some kind of "modern" Asatro?
    I have more read they never prayed on their knees. But there are instances of what can you call prayers in the sagas. Like for example Jarl Hakon who prayed to his divine patron for aid against the Jom vikings. And if I remember correctly the Havamal among things states know how to pray so you may successfully sacrifice.
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