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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The Catholic Church helped, funded and sided with the Cultural Marxists in fighting "evil nationalism". The church propped them up into prominency where they are today. The Church has proven time and again that it doesn't care about our people, so why should our people care about the church? Let them play savior with all their "cute" little negro kids who they eagerly proselytise to christianity in the brotherhood of all races. The church goes there and preaches to them to pop out ever more children, ALL the charity projects are christian (not cultural marxist!), they feed them, raise them, make them, forbid them to use contraception, generate massive overpopulation of the planet, and then the christian charity organisations rally to adopt all those "poor children" that they created and subject to ever greater famines into white lands because it's the christian's task to help the "poor". The church doesnt even need the cultural marxists to destroy our nations, the church can well do that itself.
    Modern Christianity run by cultural Marxists does not equal all of historic Christianity. It is the exception rather than the rule, it is a new malignant growth that did not exist for most of its history. You would do well to understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The church promotes "anti-racism" on the very same scale the cultural marxists do.
    Yes, the Marxist and Masonic infiltrated post-Vatican II Church. This is what spawned the Traditional Catholic and Sedevacantist movements, who happen to be considered the largest serious group of nationalists in the US today, for example.

    The Church has never taught to hate other races simply for being other races, but nor did it in the past ever condone ethnic replacement and cultural poison as the modern secular West has done.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    If christianity was the source of our achievements in long gone centuries, then Egypt, Russia, North Africa, etc should by far surpass us. They dont. Because not christianity made us great, our genes did.
    I agree, but Christianity did not hinder either. Our genes produced the culture, theology, art, and body of Christian tradition for nearly 1700 years, which is why traditional European Christianity is thoroughly Europeanized and an expression of our racial soul.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    And the church works to eradicate these genes from the face of the earth. Along with their century-long allies the cultural marxists. They dont care about us. They dont care about Europe. They dont care about race. All they care about is keeping the sheeple under their heeds, in their "kingdom of god" that knows no borders and no racial boundaries. The church eagerly sided with the cultural marxists because they shared their "vision" of a borderless world. And they were and are ready to take revenge on those who rise up against this terror.
    Again, see above regarding the modernist, post Vatican II church. Either way ultimately we all die, and religion usually addresses that point, so caring about the kingdom of God which, if God is sovereign over the universe, would of course concern all humans, is to be expected.

    Did I ever deny that there was Nazi esotericism and an interest in Germanic paganism among guys like Himmler? No. But the fact is, NS as a whole defended Christianity and was made up primarily of Christians who fought and died to defend their Christian German heritage against the atheistic Marxist scourge.

    I'll stick with the heritage of all of our ancestors for the past 1500-1800 years, yes, thank you. They fought and died to defend it, why should I not appreciate that and support their efforts even today against the chorus of Marxists, Jews, atheists, liberals, and others who attack and undermine that heritage today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    But no Plant, we do not dislike you for being Christian. You are our brother
    I don't get that vibe. Just goes to show how far blood ties can tolerate eachother for the sake of germanix worldwide. The axiom is Heathenry=TRVE Germanic & Xtianity=Jewish demonic hook nose cult rawrrr!. This pagano-hyperspace-nordid-naziUFO-centric monopoly on the forum negates intellectual progress and spiritual understanding for the sake of one giant pissing contest. What I like to call Skadiism, or Skadiry (perhaps Skadi Complex ). It doesn't take much to realize why so many other fora and internet outlets think us to be redneck consipracy theorists with a penchant for racial purity.

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    Its funny how all the multi-culti pagan groups use a very christian and lesbo-femme ethics. Normally it is because it is made up of 'ex-christians', marxists, new age activists and queers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    It doesn't take much to realize why so many other fora and internet outlets think us to be redneck consipracy theorists with a penchant for racial purity.
    You can rest assured that they would say the same things irrespectively of what we say. You will never appease them other than by assuming their whole ideology; hook, line, and sinker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renownedwolf View Post
    Its funny how all the multi-culti pagan groups use a very christian and lesbo-femme ethics. Normally it is because it is made up of 'ex-christians', marxists, new age activists and queers.
    Authentic pagan ethics, best exemplified by by such a diverse array of characters as the Cynic-Stoic philosopher or the heathen thane and his companion-warriors, are very hard for modern people to follow. To have authentic pagan, i.e. non-Judeo/Christian ethics, takes a complete retooling of one's mind to accept alternative values, ideas, cosmologies, etc. Modern neo-pagan values are the values of the progressive-inspired mob and, for example, homosexuality was held as a moral weakness worthy of ridicule by the Cynic-Stoics and homos were usually killed by northern heathens for being unmanly. So much for consistency between old and new, eh?

    It could be said that Judeo/Christian ethics submerge pagan ethics, which're essentially based in nature and in natural human behavior (i.e. eye for an eye, ethic of reciprocity, and so on). There're certain admirable qualities to biblical values but, to be honest, these values are often much better articulated by the philosopers and mystics of the pagans and heathens simply because there's none of the doctrinal stupidity.

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    One thing that I think is effective about CI is that it identifies the role of the Jew--the imposter mixed-race/crime syndicate--in producing catastrophes for us. The basic CI argument is that the tribes of Israel left the "middle east", and are forever attacked by the spawn of fallen angels. It certainly seems to match what actually occurs. The non-White races always end up attacking us, almost as if they were genetically programmed to destroy us. I guess CI is fragmentary, and even has its own problems with Jews (not the original Hebrews!) infiltrating and making problems.

    I looked at the article someone linked but I think the CI argument is much greater in overall sophistication.

    The perspicacity of the Bible in describing what happens when we race-mix is amazing. The non-Whites are the locusts, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It's not a surprise that in America that christian identity stuff comes up. The socalled "christian right-wing" is deeply infested with Jews posing as Roman Catholics. The allegedly "right-wing" Tea-Party waves Israel flags on their rallies and have Rabbies speaking. Neither them, nor the CI crowd are against multiracial societies, as long as they subscribe to christianity. It's never about our race, our people, our countries, it's always only to keep up the environment in which they are tolerated and can hide under the radar, and maintain the Jewish influence over our countries, in order that they can continue to promote a One World and the New World Order. They are the globalists, the Jews and Goyim alike who subscribe to "Israel" as the kingdom of (the Jewish folk) god / or his "heaven" on earth". It's the same as the Dar-al Salam, the "House of Peace" in Islam, in both the end goal is to have the entire world subjected to this cult, which is the same on its bottom anyway. Then there will be no more distinct people or distinct cultures, only the Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, with Jews running the show over the downbred "beast with speech" (this is what the Hebrew word 'goy' means) who only exist to serve their Jewish masters.
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    Can't say I agree with Velvet most of the time and most of the time she seems a bit over the top.

    But in this case I'm going to make an exception, in regard to certain aspects of what has become the "Evangelical Movement" here in America.

    And that is the 180 Degree switch they have went through from the 1980's to about the year 2000.

    During the 1980 they were for the most part pro-racial, and pro Germanic, and would not allow various minorities simply walk in and take over.

    Form about the year 2000 on they seem to have slipped off their nut to a large degree. After 911 they became the MOST pro-Judaic and pro-war you could imaginable, right down to parroting every Bull Shit murder justification imaginable for killing anyone that opposed the "Chosen People".

    Granted they have never acknowledged the Ukrainian Famine, or other atrocities done by Jews in the name of Communism. Which if you want to get right down to it was what the Cold War was about was persecution against Germanic Populations.

    I am about 100% certain that Jesus would NOT have agreed with any of these people or any of their "Bomb the World to a Parking Lot" Bull Shit.

    So in that since I don’t think these people even can be classified as "Christian" in the current situation.

    Germanic’s SHOULD NOT be Fighting wars for JEWS, only the insane would take up that position. If one kills for self defence that is justifiable, one that kills for a boss is a murderer.

    So in that context I can see some positive and maybe even some cleansing effect to "Germanic Paganism" if it pulls the white population away form various forms of servitude to the Multicultural Left.

    But especially to the servitude to Killing for Hire, for globalist armies. Anyone engaged in that is the scum of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zureagieren View Post
    One thing that I think is effective about CI is that it identifies the role of the Jew--the imposter mixed-race/crime syndicate--in producing catastrophes for us. The basic CI argument is that the tribes of Israel left the "middle east", and are forever attacked by the spawn of fallen angels. It certainly seems to match what actually occurs. The non-White races always end up attacking us, almost as if they were genetically programmed to destroy us. I guess CI is fragmentary, and even has its own problems with Jews (not the original Hebrews!) infiltrating and making problems.
    What many Bible-believers can't seem to grasp is the fact that the modern Jews have little or nothing to do with the ancient Hebrews and that the ancient Hebrew religion was, at first and for some time, essentially henotheistic and tribal in nature. The ancient Hebrews were a minor people and if not, say, for the patronage of and association with higher cultures (Egypt, Greece, Persia, Rome) and the obsession that Christians have with them they would've long since been forgotten.

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    I just read this in an old book, about how Charlemagne tried to exterminate the paganism of the Saxons and how the pagans became Vikings in retaliation and unleashed the wrath of Thor upon the christians. The pagan warriors reacted vigorously to Charlemagne and they plundered and destroyed churches and monasteries in France but particularly around Britain and Ireland. It led eventually to the establishment of the Danelaw in eastern England and to the foundation of Dublin and other Norse port cities in Ireland.

    To the history of these Dublin Ostmen we will
    presently refer, but previously we will endeavour to
    mark the distinction between them and those ruthless
    Pagans who first invaded Ireland, and who, under the
    name of Northmen or of Danes, ravaged also the
    coasts of England and France, at the close of the
    eighth or at the beginning of the ninth century.

    According to some French historians, the "barba-
    rians" who sailed along the coasts of France in A.D.
    800, were persecuted and banished Pagans, who,
    with aid from their allies, were in search of new
    homes, and were seeking to avenge on Christian
    clergy and Christian churches the destruction of
    their temples and their idols by the Christian armies
    of Charlemagne. The statement is, that before the
    end of the 8th century the Franks had suffered much
    from the hostility of their Saxon neighbours, and
    that Charlemagne, desirous to terminate these
    hostilities, and influenced by zeal for religion and
    love of conquest, invaded Saxony in A.D. 772. His
    first attack was on the fortress of Eresbourg, which
    contained the temple of Irminsul, the great idol of
    the nation. He took and destroyed the fortress,
    pulled down the temple, broke in pieces the idol ;
    and believing that the mild doctrines of Christianity
    could alone restrain the barbarous habits of the
    Saxons he had conquered, "he built monasteries and
    churches, founded bishoprics, and filled Saxony with
    priests and missionaries." But the Saxons were
    neither easily conquered or converted. In A.D. 774,
    and again in 775, they revolted ; and although in
    776 and 777 many came to Paderborn to be baptized,
    they again revolted in A.D. 782, and abjuring Chris-
    tianity as a badge of slavery, they burned the
    churches, slew the clergy, and returned to the
    worship of the idols which Charlemagne had over-
    turned. This outbreak, instigated by their beloved
    chieftain, Witikind, was soon suppressed, and
    Witikind, with the fiercest of the Saxon idolaters,
    fled into Denmark, where Sigefroi, his wife's father,
    then reigned. Enraged by the conduct of the re-
    volters, and the escape of Witikind, Charlemagne
    forgot the precepts of that Christianity he desired
    to spread, and with unparalleled cruelty he beheaded
    four thousand five hundred Saxons in cold blood,
    and in one day. Yet, fearing that even this horrible
    butchery would not secure the lasting submission of
    the survivors, "he added to it a secret order to put
    to death those who would excite the Saxons to
    revolt." Still revolt succeeded revolt, and revolt
    was ever accompanied by a return to idolatry, the
    re-establishment of idols, the burning of churches,
    and the massacre of priests. Charlemagne, however,
    had decided that the Saxons should be Christians,
    but unfortunately he decided on making them Chris-
    tians by means which Christianity abhors. He
    ordained that "Every Saxon who refused to be
    baptized should be punished with death ;" and that
    "those who to avoid baptism should say that they
    had been baptized should be similarly punished."
    And subsequently he established a secret council,
    composed of men whose duty it was silently to
    traverse the country, to watch the actions and words
    of the people, and instantly to put to death those
    who renounced Christianity or excited revolt. Yet
    even this was insufficient. The Saxons and their
    neighbours still clung to their Paganism, and Char-
    lemagne ultimately proceeded to banish the idolaters
    from the scene of their idolatry. He spent part of
    the years 795, 796, 797 in destroying with fire and
    sword the countries between the Elbe, Upper Saxony,
    the German Ocean, and the Baltic, the population
    flying into Denmark and the North. Ten thousand
    families of the Saxons were transplanted into Switzer-
    land and the forests of Flanders ; and in A.D. 795,
    men, women, and children were transplanted into
    France, and their lands given to the Abrodites, the
    inveterate enemies of the Saxons, and the faithful
    allies of the Franks.

    In fact Charlemagne's war was now a crusade.
    Its object was alike to conquer and convert. The
    military and religious habit were united in his camp,
    which was the scene of martial exercises, solemn
    processions, and public prayers ; and hence the
    clergy, who crowded around his standard, partici-
    pating in the objects and results of his victories,
    sharing the gold and silver (plunder of the countries
    he conquered), and baptizing the infidels he captured
    and spared, that clergy became hateful to Pagans,
    who attributed to them and the religion they
    preached, the destruction of temples, the desolation
    of homes, and all the means employed to extirpate
    idolaters and to make Christians.

    Nor was Charlemagne's hostility confined to the
    Pagans he subdued. Those who fled from his arms
    were pursued by his policy. Sigefroi could not obtain
    his friendship, or rather his forbearance, except on
    condition that the refugee Saxons, Frizons, Soarbes,
    should be expelled from Denmark, and his suc-
    cessor Godfrey found it necessary to conclude a treaty
    binding himself to drive out of his states the Pagans
    who had sought an asylum there.

    Thus compelled to seek other homes, these infuri-
    ated Pagans, or, as De Mezeray writes, "The banished
    and their descendants, burning with a cruel desire to
    avenge their gods and their liberty, made continual
    sorties, and principally exercised their rage on the
    priests and on the monks who had destroyed their
    temples and their superstitions."

    The Danes, who saw with uneasiness the progressive
    conquests of Charlemagne, quickly imbibed the
    feelings of their homeless kinsmen, and in A.D. 800
    "they dared to infest the coasts of France." Sailing
    from sea to sea they approached the shores of Lan-
    guedoc, where Charlemagne, recognising their fleets
    from the windows of his palace, wept for the misery
    he foresaw they would bring on his descendants and
    on France. Nor was it long until the destruction
    of churches, the slaughter of clergy and of people,
    justified the fears of the emperor.

    On the English coasts the Northmen appeared
    within five years after Witikind had fled into Den-
    mark and carried the story of Charlemagne's cruelties
    to the subjects of King Sigefroi.

    According to the Saxon Chronicle, "A.D. 787, first
    came three ships of the Northmen out of Haeretha
    land," and it adds what is confirmed by every English
    historian that these were "the first ships of Danish
    men which sought the land of the English race."
    Roger de Wendover says, " It may be suspected they
    came to spy out the fertility of the land," and there-
    fore sailed along the coast in search of some spot on
    which to settle. But in 793 and 794 these "heathen
    men" came with larger fleets and with other objects ;
    for soon "they dreadfully destroyed the churches of
    Christ. They trod down holy places with their
    unholy feet ; they slaughtered priests and Levites and
    multitudes of monks and nuns ; undermined the altars,
    and carried off all the treasures of Holy Church."
    The great monastic establishment at Lindesfarne,
    celebrated for the sanctity and number of its inmates,
    lying directly opposite those Scandinavian districts
    into which the Saxons and other Pagans had fled or
    were driven, being easily accessible from the creeks
    of Jutland, from the Baltic and the Elbe, became the
    first objects of attack from Pagans seeking vengeance
    on Christian communities. Lindisfarne was totally
    destroyed in A.D. 793 ; and in 794, after the "heathen
    men" had ravaged Northumberland, they destroyed
    Ecgferth's monastery at Weremouth.

    The Pagans who invaded Ireland probably sailed
    from the fiords of Norway about the same time that
    those from Denmark had sailed for England ; but,
    sailing round the north of Scotland, and passing from
    island to island, and probably forming settlements in
    the Orkneys, Hebrides, and Shetland isles, they did
    not reach the north-east coast of Ireland until A.D.
    795. The words of the annals of Innisfallen are:
    "A.D. 795. The Danes were first seen cruizing on
    the coasts of Ireland prying out the country." They
    attacked and plundered the ships of the Irish, and
    then proceeded to plunder those Irish islands on which
    the desire for a hermit life had led many ecclesiastics
    to form small religious establishments.

    According to the Annals of the Four Masters in
    A.D. 795, "The 'heathen men' burned the island of
    Rechru " (between Scotland and the north coast of
    Ireland), "and broke and plundered the shrines." In
    A.D. 798 they burned St. Patrick's Island (on the east
    coast), and bore away the shrine of St. Dachonna.
    In A.D. 807 they burned the churches in the island of
    Innishmurry on the coast of Sligo ; and in A.D. 812
    plundered the island of Scelig Michel (off the coast
    of Kerry), took the anchorites and kept them captive
    until they perished for want of food.

    From proceedings so closely resembling those of
    the invaders of France, commenced at the same period,
    and by the same people, it might be inferred that the
    invasion of Ireland originated in the same cause, and
    had the same object ; and that the sacrilegious devas-
    tations on our coasts, so far from being unprovoked
    aggressions on Christian lands, were acts of retalia-
    tion and revenge for injuries inflicted on a Pagan people
    by a Christian Emperor, and his propagandist army.

    Nevertheless, the love of piracy, which charac-
    terized the Scandinavians of the 8th and 9th centuries,
    and the Viking expeditions which closely followed,
    and which perhaps, in some cases, were contempo-
    raneous with the successes of the first invaders, has
    apparently influenced the opinion, that they were
    alike the effect of a desire for plunder and bloodshed.

    It is urged that, when we read of clergy slaughtered,
    of churches plundered, and of relics shaken from their
    shrines, we should recollect that relics were worth-
    less to Pagans, pirates who only valued the gold or
    silver shrines in which these relics were enclosed ;
    that churches were the repositories of coveted
    treasure, and that the slaughter of clergy might not
    be in all cases a religious martyrdom, as in the 8th
    and 9th centuries the clergy fought and fell like
    other soldiers in the ranks of armies opposed to the
    invaders.

    In France, where the bishops had large territorial
    possessions, they voluntarily led their vassals to
    battle, and the inferior clergy followed their ex-
    ample. In England and Ireland the clergy were
    compelled to serve in the armies of their sovereign :
    and from this military service the Irish clergy were
    not relieved until A.D. 804 ; nor was it until A.D. 854
    that the English clergy obtained a similar exemption.
    Yet long after these periods they continued to wield
    the temporal sword, and alternately to wear the
    casque and the cowl.

    These raids, however, are insufficient to show
    that all the first invaders were mere pirates, and
    plunder their sole object. Such a theory requires
    to be sustained by stronger evidence, opposed as it
    is to historical statements, supported by incontro-
    vertible facts.

    Unquestionably, the invasion commenced almost
    immediately after Charlemagne had driven Witikind
    and his Saxon followers into the sterile regions of
    the North; and whatever might have been the
    piratical tendencies of the Northmen, they had never
    invaded a Christian territory, destroyed a Christian
    church, or slain a Christian priest, until Charlemagne
    had destroyed the homes, the temples, and the idols
    of the Saxons. It is questionable, indeed, whether
    previously they had ever sailed out of the Baltic ;
    but if they did, it is certain that previously they
    never had attempted to colonize or dwell in Christian
    lands.

    Those who came between A.D. 795 and 807, appear
    to have had no other object than devastation and
    pillage. They landed, plundered, and departed.
    But whether these invaders were Norwegians, Danes,
    Swedes, or Jutes, it is difficult to determine. In
    A.D. 807 they began to make incursions into the
    interior of the country. In that year, after burning
    the Island of Innishmurry, they marched into Ros-
    common. In 812 they landed again, and entered
    Conneinara, where they "slaughtered the inhabi-
    tants." They also entered Mayo, where "they were
    (defeated) by the men of Umhall ;" and in A.D. 813,
    having again entered Mayo, and defeated "the men
    of Umhall," they slew Cosgrach, son of Flannabhrad,
    and Dunadhach, lord of the territory.

    Their course can be clearly traced. Issuing from
    the fiords of Norway, they sailed along the east coast
    of Scotland to the Frith of Forth, and territory of
    the Scottish Picts, and thence to Northumbria and
    East Anglia, where the invaders first became settlers
    in England. Their course along the west side of
    Scotland was among the Orkneys, the Hebrides, and
    Western Isles, to the North of Ireland, and thence
    by Larne (or Ulfricksford), Strangford, and Carling-
    ford, down to Dublin ; the first settlement being in
    Ulster, and the territory of the Irish Picts. There
    is no record of any attempts made to settle for
    twenty years after 795, when the Pagans first came
    to Ireland. During that time they landed, plundered,
    and departed.

    In 819 they plundered Howth, and the islands at
    the mouth of Wexford Harbour. In 820 they
    plundered Cape Clear and Cork. In 821 they
    spoiled and ransacked Bennchoir. In 823 they
    plundered Dun da-Leathghlas. They defeated "the
    Osraighi," but were worsted by "the Ulidians." In
    824 they burned Lusk, and spoiled all Meath. In
    825 they "destroyed Dun-Laighen," and slew the "son
    of Cuchongelt, lord of Forthuatha." In 826 they
    were overthrown by the Ui Ceinnsealaigh, and again
    by the Ulidians." In 827 they "burned Lannlere
    and Clonmor." In 829 they plundered Conaille,
    and took "its king and his brother, and carried them
    with them to their ships." In 830 they plundered
    "Daimhliag, and the tribe of Cianachta, with all
    their churches ;" and took "Ailill, son of Colgan," and
    plundered Lughmhadh, and many other churches;
    and "carried off Tuatal, son of Fearadhach," plundering
    Ard Macha thrice in one month, as it had never been
    plundered by strangers before. In 831 they plundered
    Rath Luirigh. In 832 they plundered Cluain Dol-
    cain ; and, although they were defeated with great
    slaughter at Doire-Chalgaigh by Uiall Caille and
    Murchadh, they plundered Loch Bricrenn, in opposi-
    tion to Conghalach, son of Eochardh, whom they took
    prisoner, and afterwards killed at their ships. In 833
    they plundered "Gleann-da-locha, Slaine, and Fin-
    nabhair, but were defeated by Dunadhach, son of
    Scannlan, lord of Ui Fidhgeinte, and many of them
    killed." In 834 they plundered Fearna, Cluain-mor-
    Maedhog, and Drum-h-Ing, and burned "Mungairid,
    and other churches in Ormond." In 835 they burned
    "Cluain-mor-Maedhog on Christmas night, slaying
    many, and carrying off many as prisoners ; they like-
    wise burned the oratory of Gleann-da-locha, desolated
    all Connaught, plundered Cell-dara, and burned half
    the church. In 836 Dubliter Odhar, of Teamhair,
    was taken prisoner, and put to death in his gyves at
    their ships." They had fleets on the Boyne and the
    Liffey, out of which "they plundered and spoiled
    Magh Liphthe and Magh Breagh, both churches
    and habitations of men, goodly tribes, flocks and
    herds ;" and, after being defeated by the "men of
    Breagh," they defeated "the Ui Neill from the
    Sinainn to the sea,"

    In A.D. 815, however, "Turgesius, a powerful Nor-
    wegian chieftain, landed," and from that time it is re-
    corded that the foreigners began to form settlements
    in Ireland. Nevertheless, the same system of plunder
    and bloodshed, which marked the earlier invasions,
    long continued ; and, year after year, we find records
    of outrages by those Scandinavians, whose fleets
    infested our coasts.

    Throughout these records of plunder and devasta-
    tion there is no intimation who the invaders were, or
    whence they came. The Irish gave to those invaders
    who came one common name of "Gaill," or foreigners,
    no distinction appearing in the Annals of the Four
    Masters before A.D. 847, when it is stated that "a fleet
    of seven score ships of the king of the foreigners came
    to contend with the foreigners who were in Ireland
    before them." After the arrival of this fleet, and the
    commencement of the contest which followed, two
    tribes are recognised, and as enemies to each other
    the " Dubhghoill " (or Black foreigners), supposed to
    be Danes, and the "Finnghoiii" (or White foreigners),
    supposed to be Norwegians.

    In A.D. 849, "the Dubhghoill arrived at Ath Cliath,
    and made a great slaughter of the Finnghoiii, who
    had settled there." In the same year there was
    "another depredation of the Dubhghoil on the Finn-
    ghoill at Linn Duacliaill." In A.D. 850 the Finnghoill,
    with a fleet of eight score ships arrived at Snarah
    Eidhneach to give battle to the Dubhghoill, and they
    fought with each other for three days and three nights,
    and again the Dubhghoill gained the victory." But
    in 852 their hostility was terminated. For in that
    year "Aulaff, son of the king of Lochlann, came to
    Ireland (and) all the foreign tribes of Ireland sub-
    mitted to him."

    The Scandinavian Kingdom of Dublin, pp. 5-19 (Haliday, 1881)

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    I just read this in an old book, about how Charlemagne tried to exterminate the paganism of the Saxons and how the pagans became Vikings in retaliation and unleashed the wrath of Thor upon the christians. The pagan warriors reacted vigorously to Charlemagne and they plundered and destroyed churches and monasteries in France but particularly around Britain and Ireland. It led eventually to the establishment of the Danelaw in eastern England and to the foundation of Dublin and other Norse port cities in Ireland.
    The thanes of the Danelaw would often broke their oaths of peace with Alfred of Wessex when he defeated them on the battlefield, oaths often sworn to Thor on oath-rings. I wouldn't consider such scoundrels to be worthy of much respect tbh.

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