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    And yet, that too, is over.

    Catholicism (which is really what you are defending), is a mixture of Christianity and Germanic paganism, much as Santeria is a mixture of Catholicism and vodoo. The Catholics of the time understood the jews were also the enemy (and were killed as readily as arabs and moors). These days Christians practically worship jews, and even the Catholic church seeks to release them from the guilt of Christ's death and call them brothers.

    Again, the religion of slavery worked out. Tthey had to wait until the original Germanic culture to die off and be beaten out of the people before the plan was complete. Just because the original Germanic Christians were still, well, Vikings, in no way translates to Christianity contributing to the way they were. Christianity was the slow boat to emasculation and ruin.

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    I was reading about the Norse adventures to America and again I noticed a pattern.

    The pagan Teutonic tribes expanded out of southern Scandinavia and onto the continent; England was taken, Iceland was colonised and even Greenland in the tenth century up toward the Arctic. These are the Germanic countries of today. The pagans consolidated large areas in NW Europe as racially Germanic before they converted to Christianity. Thus was Germanic Europe founded - by pagans.



    I see a different pattern with christianity, not one of racial expansion but of fanatical religious expansion and intolerance and the failure to obtain new homelands for the Germanic folk. Those tribes who were rapidly christianised before they had racially Germanised the conquered lands, failed to Germanise the lands. Whereas the pagans obtained new lands for the Germanic tribes, the christians merely imposed christianity and were racially assimilated out of existence. So the pagan Germans expanded while the christian Germans disappeared beyond the bounds of the Germanic lands that the pagans had conquered. No lands became Germanic -- except when they were Germanised by pagans. No lands were Germanised by christians.

    The Franks were quickly christianised in the sixth century, gave up racial expansion for religious conquest and they were assimilated out of existence. The christian Frank (or half-Jew?), Charlemagne aka the Saxon Killer, conquered the lands of France and Germany and violently imposed christianity. No new lands were racially Germanised though. Germany was already Germanic through pagan conquests. France is Latin today not Germanic.

    Similarly, the East Germanics, Goths, Vandals, who invaded further west and south were rapidly christianised and failed to established Germanic racial dominance. They were assimilated and disappeared from history.

    King Olaf was baptised in Normandy in the eleventh century and returned to Norway to conquer the entire territory and to violently impose christianity on the people. Christianised Norway visited N America many times but failed to establish any lasting settlements. The pagan Norwegians and Icelanders established colonies that lasted for 500 years on Greenland, which had a much harsher climate and was far less hospitable than America. Yet the christian Norwegians totally failed to establish lasting colonies in N America in spite of all its fertility and abundance.

    Again, the christian Teutonic knights were motivated by religious conquest and their colonisation into the east was patchy nor did they Germanise the East Baltic. Yet again we see christians fail to effectively Germanise the conquered lands. In contrast, the lands conquered by pagans are solidly Germanic.



    Even in eastern Germany, Prussia, the christians did not effectlvly remove the Slavs and the area remained ambiguous into the modern period and WWII -- eventually to be lost to Slavs.

    So whereas pagan Germanics conquered, colonised and above all racially Germanised lands that remained Germanic for almost two thousand years, christians did sometimes conquer in the name of the Jewish god but they failed to colonise and to racially Germanise lands. Today is another matter, the christians and post-christians are flooding Germanic lands out of existence with mass immigration.

    Thus we were racially stronger when we were pagan - we expanded , we colonised, we Germanised. We failed to expand and to colonise when we were christian and we were usually assimilated out of existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germania Magna View Post
    So whereas pagan Germanics conquered, colonised and above all racially Germanised lands that remained Germanic for almost two thousand years, christians did sometimes conquer in the name of the Jewish god but they failed to colonise and to racially Germanise lands.
    Except for, you know, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, much of South Africa, the Falkland Islands, and other white colonies that were created when the Germanic race was Christian up until very recently. Also many of the Vikings that settled Iceland were Christian, and Iceland remains intact to this day.

    Its also worth noting pagan Germanic people weren't adverse to mixing with non-Germanic people. The Goths prior to Christianization likely mixed with Iranic peoples from Russia, the Germanic people near the Rhine mixed with Celts and Romans, the Eastern Germanic people mixed with Slavs, the pagan Anglo-Saxons were mixing with native British, and so on and so forth.

    The ancient paganism wasn't anywhere near as racialized as many neo-pagan forms are today.

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    I think a strong agrument can be made for England the way it was when it was Christian. Edward I kicked out the Jews, and England remained staunchly Christian and completely English until Cromwell invited them back, unfortunately. England was a strong, aggressive, warlike, noble, and completely Germanic nation for hundreds of years lead by Christian Kings and a Christian people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Weigelt View Post
    I think a strong agrument can be made for England the way it was when it was Christian. Edward I kicked out the Jews, and England remained staunchly Christian and completely English until Cromwell invited them back, unfortunately. England was a strong, aggressive, warlike, noble, and completely Germanic nation for hundreds of years lead by Christian Kings and a Christian people.
    That is something else worth noting. European paganism has nothing explicit in their doctrines or literature that is against Jews (or even foreigners.) Whereas in Christianity not only is the New Testament explicitly anti-Jewish, but so are the Early Church Fathers, many Popes, famous Theologians like Thomas Aquinas, and so on.

    Also, a Christian could make the claim that Europeans (or the Church) are God's chosen people, as they were the primary stewards of God's religion throughout the majority of the Christian history. It was God who chose them to be the bearers of his light and ascend to rulers/conquers of the world. First Rome, and later Germanic Rome (Medieval Europe.) Such a folly it would be if true, because it does seem our modern collective abandonment of God and our Christian heritage is leading to the death of our people and civilization.

    Much of Western Civilization is starting to seem like a modern Sodom and Gomorrah, wouldn't you say?

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    Der jüdische Aufbau des Islam als Eroberungsideologie zur Bekämpfung der europäischen und christlichen Länder und ihrer keltisch-germanischen Bevölkerung.
    Die erste bekannte Judenverfolgung im Frankenreich, Teil des christlichen römischen Reiches, erfolgte um das Jahr 629 n.d.Z. unter dem Merowinger-König Dagobert.
    Anlaß waren Staatsschutzgründe. Der oströmische Kaiser Heraklius in Byzanz hatte nach allen Provinzen des Reiches die Warnung verschicken lassen, dass die „beschnittenen Völker“ das Reich zerstören wollen. Durch persische Kriegsgefangene war bekannt geworden, dass die Exiljuden in Babylon die Perser aufgewiegelt hatten, um Ostrom anzugreifen.
    Doch auch andere Völker wurden von den Juden gegen das christlich-römische Reich aufgehetzt, in dem sie diese mit einer „wahren Lehre“ infizierten, die sie verbreiten und für die sie kämpfen sollten..

    Der Islam ist ein arabisches Judentum: Die jüdischen Gemeinden auf der arabischen Halbinsel belehrten einst auch ihre nomadischen Handelspartner und Karawanenführer, die Beduinen, mit ihrer hebräischen alten nomadischen Stammesgottes-Lehre. In Jatrib hatten die Juden ein Lehrhaus, worin die Schrift, die Thora, erklärt wurde. Der Einfluß der Juden auf die Araber war so groß, dass sogar der König von Jemen ihren Glauben annahm. Um 622 n.d.Z. wurde der Araber Mohammed von den Juden in Jatrib, dem späteren Medina, in der Schrift (der Tora-Bibel) unterrichtet. Heutige Märchenerzähler behaupten, daß dem Araber Mohammed der Erzengel Gabriel erschienen sei und er von ihm seine religiösen Visionen empfangen habe. Aber es war wohl nur ein Rabbiner Gabriel, der ihn in der Synagoge von Jatrib in die hebräischen Visionen vom Stammesgott aller Hirtennomaden, „Jahwe-Allah“, einweihte und von der gemeinsamen Weltherrschaft aller Wüstennomaden „am Ende aller Tage“ über die sesshaften Völker der Welt sprach. Da das christliche Byzanz, durch die Gesetzte Justinians, den Juden im römischen Reich feindlich gesonnen war, versuchten die Juden die Völker an den römischen Grenzen zum Kampf gegen Ostrom aufzustacheln. Dazu wurde eine gemeinsame antichristliche und expansive Lehre gebraucht. Diese war mit dem „Islam“ – einem vereinfachten Bibelglauben für die arabischen Stämme – und seinem „Propheten“ Mohammed gefunden worden. Jüdische Lehrer und Agitatoren halfen bei der Verbreitung der neuen Glaubenslehre unter den arabischen Heiden. Der Erfolg der neuen Lehre, als Rammbock gegen das Christentum gedacht, fand mit der Eroberung der christlich Provinzen von Byzanz, wie Nordafrika, Spanien, Süditalien, Kleinasien mit Konstantinopel (Byzanz) und Griechenland, durch islamisierte arabische und turk-tatarische Völkerschaften ihren vorläufigen Höhepunkt. Wobei jüdische Finanziers, Wesire, Strategen und Spione bei den islamischen Eroberungszügen eine wichtige Hintergrundrolle spielten und die islamischen Häuptlinge ununterbrochen zum Kampg gegen die „ungläubigen“ Abendländer anstifteten. Auch wenn später einige Kalifen, wie z.B. Harun al-Raschid von Bagdad, den jüdischen Machteinfluß in ihren Reichen vorübergehend begrenzten, in dem sie die Juden zwangen ein goldgelbes Abzeichen zu tragen, so blieb doch ihr Hintergrundeinfluß im Staate unverändert bestehen. Beim Aufbau des Osmanischen Reiches spielten die aus Spanien 1492 vertriebenen Juden eine große Rolle.

    Das Eindringen islamischer Eroberer mit jüdischer Hilfe ins gotisch-germanische Spanien ab 711 n.d..Z.
    Die Herrschaft der arianischen Westgoten in Spanien war den Juden nicht ungünstig gewogen. Die im Jahr {b]506[/b] erlassene Lex Romana Visigothorum bestätigte nur die damals offiziell geltende, römisch-kirchliche Judengesetzgebung, deren praktische Handhabung einen weiten Spielraum zuließ. Erst der zum Katholizismus bekehrte König Reccared bestand auf der rücksichtslosen Durchführung der römischen Judengesetzgebung und der Westgote Sisibut zwang die Juden seines Reiches, die Taufe anzunehmen (612 n.d.Z.). Obwohl die Kirche diesen gewaltsamen, in seinen Einzelheiten nicht aufgeklärten Schritt mißbilligte, durfte er doch nicht rückgängig gemacht werden.
    Die unter kirchlichem Einfluß entworfenen staatlichen Verordnungen des nächsten Jhdts. hatten den Zweck, durch priesterliche Kontrolle den Rückfall der getauften Juden zu verhinderen und denjenigen, welche zum alten Glauben zurückkehrten, durch wirtschaftliche Ausnahmegesetze, lastende Steuern und Zwangsmaßnahmen das Leben zu erschweren. Auf dem Toledaner Konzil vom Jahr 694 beschuldigte König Egika die Juden einer allgemeinen Verschwörung, „die sie gemeinsam mit den Hebräern jenseits des Meeres” geplant hätten, um Staat und Kirche zu unterwühlen. Zur Strafe wurden die Juden ihres Vermögens beraubt und als Eigentum des Fiskus zu ewiger Knechtschaft verdammt. König Witika (701) soll ihr Joch erleichtert haben, doch erst die Eroberung des Landes durch die islamisierten Araber (711 n.d.Z.) brachte ihnen die entgiltige Befreiung, wie sie sie in ihren Schriften besingen..
    Der arabische Feldherr Tarik vernichtete durch die siebentägige Schlacht bei Xeres de la Frontera die westgotische Macht in Spanien.
    Mit lauter Freude begrüßten die Juden die stammverwandten Araber als ihre Retter und überall halfen sie ihnen in dem Kampfe gegen die verhaßten arischen Goten. Dadurch gelang es den Arabern, in der unglaublich kurzen Zeit von zwei Jahren fast die ganze Halbinsel zu unterwerfen. Nach arabischen Berichten steht fest, daß die Araber bei ihren weiteren Vordringen in Spanien überall jüdische Garnisonen zurückließen. Viele Juden aus Asien und Afrika, die im arabischen Heer dienten, ließen sich in Spanien nieder. In Toledo empörten sich die Juden gegen ihre gotische Herrschaft, bemächtigten sich der Festung und öffneten den Arabern die Tore.
    Die mohammedanischen Eroberer zeigten sich den Juden für ihre Hilfe dankbar: sie gaben ihnen außer der Religionsfreiheit auch eigne Gerichtsbarkeit. Da die Juden allmählich den ganzen Handel in die Hand bekamen unb auch als Steuerpächter eine wichtige Rolle spielten, so erwarben sie sich schnell Ansehen und Reichtum. Aus Unterdrückten wurden die großen Herren: sie kleideten sich in prächtige Gewänder, fuhren in schönen Wagen und wohnten in herrlichen Palästen.
    Der größe Teil des Warenhandels lag also in den Händen von Juden und jüdischen Handelshäusern, die sich, wie es im Mittelalter die Regel war, nicht auf bestimmte Handelswaren spezialisiert hatten. Die Juden kaufen und verkaufen alle Waren, die Gewinn versprechen. Sie handeln hauptsächlich mit Stoffen – Seidenstoffen aus der Islamischen Welt, Brokat aus dem Byzantinischen Reich, der im 10. Jahrhundert in Spanien verkauft wurde -, mit Getreide in großen Mengen , mit Zucker, mit Gewürzen und Drogen, die die jüdisch-arabische Medizin braucht, mit Gold und Goldschmiedewaren, mit Luxuswaren aus China: mit einem Wort, mit allem, was wertvoll ist und von weither kommt. Ferner mit Sklaven – dieser Handel wird ergänzt durch die »Fabrikation« von Eunuchen im Kastrationszentrum Cordoba und die Unterrichtung und Erziehung von Sklaven und Sklavinnen -, schließlich mit Geld und Krediten.
    Die Positionen, die die Juden im Handel schon vor den islamischen Eroberungen erreicht hatten, erlauben ihnen auch, sich eine Hauptrolle zu sichern, nachdem das ungeheure Gebiet des Islamischen Reiches entstanden ist.
    Wie die großen Zivilisationen der Antike und des Byzantinischen Reiches nutzte auch die islamische Zivilisation Sklavenarbeit. Kraft- und Energielieferanten waren damals zum großen Teil die Muskeln der Sklaven, ob diese Sklaven nun in großen Trupps auf Plantagen oder in den Minen arbeiteten – dort wurden ausschließlich Sklaven eingesetzt – oder in den Städten, in denen Sklavenarbeit Seite an Seite mit freier Arbeit vorkam.
    Dazu zählte auch die Haussklaverei: Frauen und Eunuchen im Harem, Bordellen, Diener, Sänger und Musikerinnen in den Palästen der Herrscher und der Reichen. Der Harem von Abdarrahmän II (912-961) in Cordoba zählte 6300 Frauen. Die Bitära, das Kammerorchester, spielte eine wichtige Rolle bei der Prachtentfaltung. In Cordoba gab es besondere Schulen, die Sklaven und Sklavinnen in Musik und Tanz ausbildeten; ferner unterrichtete man sie in Literatur, Poesie und Grammatik. Sklaven, die derart ausgebildet waren, erreichten mitunter astronomische Preise, manche gewannen großes Renommee, so “die schöne junge Schwarze”, die im 10. Jahrhundert in Spanien für ihre Kenntnisse von Grammatik und Prosodie berühmt war.
    Als letzte, keineswegs unbedeutendste Form der Sklaverei: die Militärsklaverei. Die Leibgarden sind im wesentlichen Sklavengarden. Die spanischen Omayyaden halten sich im 10. Jahrhundert in Cordoba eine Garde von 10.000 wendisch-wandalische Mamluken. Diese Sklavengarde, die unter dem Kommando von Offizieren stand, die aus den Reihen der Freigelassenen ausgesucht wurden, hat immer eine außerordentlich wichtige Rolle gespielt.
    Als Sklaven-Importeure treten jüdische Fernhändler auf, wie Ibn Jakub, der seine Menschenware für den spanischen Bedarf, vom Sklavengroßmarkt Prag holt. Prag war um 900 das große jüdische Sklavenhandelszentrum, wo die großen Sklavenfänge zwischen Weichsel und Elbe und Ostseeküste aus dem “Sklavenland” (“dem größten Teil Germaniens” ltd. Adam v. Bremen) vermarktet und in die islamische Welt verfrachtet wurden.
    Soweit ein kleiner Ausschnitt aus der Geschichte über das friedliche Zusammenleben der Kulturen und Völker im Abendland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearkinder View Post
    And yet, that too, is over.

    Catholicism (which is really what you are defending), is a mixture of Christianity and Germanic paganism, much as Santeria is a mixture of Catholicism and vodoo. The Catholics of the time understood the jews were also the enemy (and were killed as readily as arabs and moors). These days Christians practically worship jews, and even the Catholic church seeks to release them from the guilt of Christ's death and call them brothers.

    Again, the religion of slavery worked out. They had to wait until the original Germanic culture to die off and be beaten out of the people before the plan was complete. Just because the original Germanic Christians were still, well, Vikings, in no way translates to Christianity contributing to the way they were. Christianity was the slow boat to emasculation and ruin.
    I have a few issues with this.

    First of all NO the Catholics WERE NOT a mixture of Germanic Paganism and Christianity/Judaism, because most of the original Popes were in fact Jews.

    They winked at Germanic Paganism, for converts and allowed some changes for that purpose, but they never really accepted the vast majority of Germanic Paganism and persecuted most of it.

    So where does that get us, to Protestant, which IS a Mixture of Germanic Paganism and early Christian beliefs. Or more correctly it is Christianity that was bent to fit the early Germanic Tribes interpretation of "Christianity".

    In any case BOTH are Germanic creations and distillations of earlier ideas and really have nothing to do with Historical Jesus apart for taking some of the ideologies.

    These days Christians practically worship jews, and even the Catholic church seeks to release them from the guilt of Christ's death and call them brothers.
    Ok This one I will grant you, and this is where I begin to get a problem with the current "Church" and where is begins to drive off course and directly back into what was already discredited.

    That being, the "Jewish Roots" people in the church have went to the extreme and are basically resurrecting "Arbitrary Law" and Enforcing "Jewish Law" off on Germanic Populations Christian or not. This garbage is WAY, WAY off base. This sort of nonsense is exactly why Judaism broke down in the first place and split into the Christian vs Jewish.

    Here are a few things the Modern Church needs to do if they want to retaine any sort of credibility.


    1) Acknowledge the fact that the Bolsheviks were in fact Jews, and that they were mass-murderers in Russia.

    2) Acknowledge the fact that Holodomor was more or less created by Marxist Policy made in the USSR and that large amounts of the abuses were done by Jews.

    3) Dump Multicultural BS in the Trash can where it belongs.

    4) Acknowledge the fact the No, Jews are NOT better than other people, and generally some of them are not even as good.

    5) Stop caving into Judaic "Tolerance" Bull Shit, no matter how convincing it may sound.


    In fact this might be a starter for All Germanic Populations, to pull their head out of the sand for once and see the situation for what it really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearkinder View Post
    I am real.

    How long after Christianity was introduced were the Teutonic Knights?
    They were the same guys with the same culture, calling god by a different name.

    How long since Christianity was introduced are we today?

    How many Teutonic Knights are there?
    Compare with how many in Europe have bought wholesale into the guilt foisted upon them by the jews. Look at how many think they, themselves should be disarmed and helpless.
    How many listen to preachers tell them to trust god when the enemy comes and if conquered to obey because Christians are to obey the king, ANY king?

    No, once the culture, the warrior-culture was bred out of the European people (or killed off in the sense of WWII), and the people got used to being beaten down, it doesn't matter how Germanic they are, they are slaves, because they have been born, bred and indoctrinated into slavery. Slavery to the lesser races, and slaves of the false guilt pumped intoi them by those who seek their destruction.

    If Christians acted like Teutonic Knights today, there would have been a wholesale slaughter of the dark hordes over running Europe and another Crusade to slaughter them in their homelands until they figured out why you don't f**k with Germans.

    But instead, we have a half-assed campaign run by those evil Americans to "win hearts and minds" (much more effective to just blow them out), with token help by most of the other countries involved. So instead of a proper Crusade, we have men and women dying to kiss the asses of the people who want them dead, giving them free food, medical care, radios, etc, with orders not to shoot back until the request goes through 4 levels of bureaucracy, aith morons wailing that we are going too far.

    No, the religion of slavery has taken its toll.

    We need to reclaim our culture of family and folk, and raise warrior men who will not flinch or weep when it's time to grind their enemies to a thin paste, women who are storng enough to raise their children and provide a proper home for their families, rather than falling into careerism, failing ot have children and whoring themselves to the darkies.
    I see your logic in this but most of it is what I call "new age Christianity" or "pacifist Christianity. " if you actually read the Christian Bible, unlike many pastors of today, it's actually rarely pacifist at all. Jesus actually verbally encouraged weapon ownership in the book of Timothy and some of the Apostles themselves carried swords. The book of Exodus has verses that encourage self defense. The Bible does encourage martyrdom to a degree but not in the same sense as your thesis.

    Not to mention the fact that US government, media, and entertainment are constantly attacking the Christian religion in every aspect. This being counter productive if Christianity was truly a Jewish covert psy-op to enslave the masses.

    So this Christianity psy-op theory seems to be just as baseless as the attacks the US media perpetrate....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    I have a few issues with this.

    First of all NO the Catholics WERE NOT a mixture of Germanic Paganism and Christianity/Judaism, because most of the original Popes were in fact Jews.

    They winked at Germanic Paganism, for converts and allowed some changes for that purpose, but they never really accepted the vast majority of Germanic Paganism and persecuted most of it.
    Let's see, the holy days (holidays) keep their Germanic heathen names. They are (or at least were, I don't know what the church has changed in the last few decades) practiced in almost exactly the same way as the Germanic heathens did. The only thing that has changed is they say they do it for Christ now. I love to hear "Yuletide blessings" from Christians or having them invite me to their church's Halloween party (Winternights) or Easter egg hunt.

    For that matter, they adopted Celtic paganism as well. There's the aforementioned Halloween (Samhain) parties -- dress-up and all, churches having St. Brigit's crosses hung on the doors in February (the goddess Brigidh -- her festival of Imbolc in February), and the good little Catholic girls running around in ribbons in their hand around a giant penis (maypole dancing). Nah, no mixture of paganism in Catholicism at all......

    What protestants did was rush to return to Judaism, something Catholicism did with their priests and vestments long ago, but still persecuted jews. Nowadays the pope wants Catholics to embrace jews as brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaiseric View Post
    I see your logic in this but most of it is what I call "new age Christianity" or "pacifist Christianity. " if you actually read the Christian Bible, unlike many pastors of today, it's actually rarely pacifist at all. Jesus actually verbally encouraged weapon ownership in the book of Timothy and some of the Apostles themselves carried swords. The book of Exodus has verses that encourage self defense. The Bible does encourage martyrdom to a degree but not in the same sense as your thesis.

    Not to mention the fact that US government, media, and entertainment are constantly attacking the Christian religion in every aspect. This being counter productive if Christianity was truly a Jewish covert psy-op to enslave the masses.

    So this Christianity psy-op theory seems to be just as baseless as the attacks the US media perpetrate....
    I'm not claiming it to be a jewish psy-op, I'm blaming the doctrines of equality:
    "Galatians 3:28
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

    Nope, everybody's equal, no prejudice, mix freely! This is not aided by the guilt forced upon the white man, the German especially, for so-called crimes against jews (although the Soviet Bolshevik jews killed more jews in reality than the jews accuse the Germans of doing). White men and women are all but told the only way to redeem themselves is to allow themselves to be persecuted, raped and murdered and to breed themselves out of existence with lesser races, and the churches perpetuate this.

    Christianity has been used to weaken, demoralize, and destroy the foundation of the aryan peoples for centuries. The job is nearly complete, and why not undermine it? Whites have held up Christianity as proof that they aren't the demons they have been made out to be, and now that they are identified with Christianity, undermining Christianity further undermines the white man, and alienates him, while at the same time the clings to the "peace and love" passages and allows this to happen.

    As for old testament passages about defending one's self and such, you cannot mix the old testament (jewish) law with the new. This is one of the reasons the jews opposed it so violently, and still do (go to Israel as a Christian -- to live, not visit -- and you'll be treated almost as badly as a Palestinian). Yes, there's the passage where Jesus says to sell your cloak and buy a sword, but no one seems to remember the reason he gave:

    Luke 22:36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”

    Get it? So they would be reckoned as transgressors, though they weren't.

    Other than Peter cutting off Malchus' ear in the garden, what account is given in the new testament of any Christian defending himself with anything but words? There's plenty of accounts of them willingly being tortured to death.

    No it seems that when Christians were most likely to use arms for defense and warfare, was shortly after they were converted to their new religion and still held to the values of the old. Of course this took a long time to filter throughout societies, as you had people being slaughtered in teh Americas because they thought they should never harm anyone, event he ones murdering them, while at the same time there were people calling themselves Christians wiping out villages, and spreading disease to kill off natives.

    Now that most of the "old schoolers" are gone, there are open cries to persecute, rape and murder whites, and whites cling to their prince of peace, telling each other to "trust in god" rather than do what must be done.

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