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    Of course it's happened that a woman has shown signs of exasperation at me doing something as outrageous and chauvinist as wait for her to walk through a door that I held open. Not my problem - I won't change my stripes and how I've been raised, I'll still hold it open. It'd make me feel awkward to slam a door in a girl's face.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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    Even though I am a woman, I still practice politeness and hold doors open for people.

    I often feel very flattered when a man holds a door open for me or if I meet one and he greets me by kissing my hand. I don't view hand kissing as sleazy or icky, unless the man himself is sleazy or icky.
    When Alexander kissed the back of my hand when we first met, I turned quite a bright shade of red and liked him immediately because never has a man kissed my hand before.

    Ronan, I'm sad to hear that you've come across women like that. But I assure you, I am one of those few who actually thanks someone who holds a door open for me. I was raised to be polite and thankful.

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    I and other men in this area still hold the doors open for women and women still thank us for it. Also I try stand and give my seat for a lady, some other men do this as well. Then there is the raising from the table before women sits and when they get up.

    One thing I have noticed is that less and less men say "ma'm" or "miss" when they are speaking to a strange woman. I always thought that was polite and sounded nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    I and other men in this area still hold the doors open for women and women still thank us for it. Also I try stand and give my seat for a lady, some other men do this as well. Then there is the raising from the table before women sits and when they get up.

    One thing I have noticed is that less and less men say "ma'm" or "miss" when they are speaking to a strange woman. I always thought that was polite and sounded nice.
    Whereabouts do you live, SpearBrave?
    I like the sound of the way men treat women there....

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    The Art of the Gentleman

    There is much, much, more to being a "Gentleman", than simply kissing ones hand, holding doors open for the opposite sex, or the use of honorific titles to show respect. It is a broad based approach to Thought, Word, and Deed in the Social and Private spheres...

    It can be said, "It is what separates the civilized from the beast".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog View Post
    AlaricLachlan wrote:


    Power does dictate the world but those who would seize it should realize that all things have their season. Those in power today have not always had it so.

    Resistance begins with a thought. "There is no spoon." Thoughts become words and words become deeds and deeds and the fame of deeds change everything.

    Once apoun a time British gentlemen had such power. But there is something timeless and noble about the code they aspired to. Whether we have power or not, being polite and noble is a virtue unto itself.

    As I was telling a friend just yesterday, Winston Churchill once said, "When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite." Even those with absolute power over life and death lose nothing in behaving like civilized gentlemen. And did not such principled and proper British gentlemen step over the rude savages on far-flug continents?

    Didn't the Romans consider their ways civilized and that of the Selucid, the Persian, the African, the Egyptian, and yes: even the Germanic, that of unprincipled and uncivilized savagery? How different was their idea than that of the empires that came before?

    Two gentlemen of Southern extraction, stepping on to a sandbar of the Mississippi river with their seconds, servants, and matched pistols with the intent of loosing shots to death or glory engage in a ritual of antiquity and honor. The deed itself, of spilling heart's blood on the sand... of savagely seperating another's soul from it's earthly abode... of killing... remains just as savage. But the ritual, the tradition, the chivalry is beautiful and noble. Without it is simple savagery.

    Savagery, as you have pointed out before, is the constant in human interaction thru our history. But I would say that what sets the victor apart is their sense of infaliable civilization and the value of an honor-concept.

    Whom should we emulate? The savage, or the noble?
    I fail to see any nobility in the world but only savagery.

    Where does there exist nobility?

    When has nobility ever existed to which you describe?

    People describe themselves under lots of things many which are unreal and pretentious.

    Barbarism is the way of human beings not some pretend nobility.

    In reality the distinguishment of nobility is a delusional one set up by those who wish to see themselves as somthing other than what they actually are and what they partake in when it concerns existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    Whereabouts do you live, SpearBrave?
    I like the sound of the way men treat women there....
    I live in beautiful hilly Southwestern Indiana, USA......miss

    It is a rural area with few big towns, and a mostly Germanic population.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    I apologize for all the questions I will ask in this posting. I am hoping to examine your thoughts and the basis of them closer.


    I fail to see any nobility in the world but only savagery.
    While I am capable of seeing the difference and admiring the nobility and honor in my friends and enemies.

    What do you personally admire most in others and in people and civilizations of the past?

    If I said, "How do you like Howard"?

    Would you answer, "Oh yes, I like him very much as he is a total savage"?

    Who is admirable in your estimation?

    Where does there exist nobility?

    When has nobility ever existed to which you describe?
    I have mentioned already some good examples of civilizations in which the men (and women) had in themselves a sense of honor and nobility. It is my view that this sense of honor and nobility, both as individuals and a society, set them apart from the savages they bested in all things and by all measures.

    My examples were in three paragraphs of my last post.


    People describe themselves under lots of things many which are unreal and pretentious.
    Such as genius? Beauty? Wisdom? What concepts shall we embrace and which shall we discard? If all is discarded except savagery than civilization fails and we are animals. By virtue and honor we can set ourselves apart from the animals.

    Barbarism is the way of human beings not some pretend nobility.

    In reality the distinguishment of nobility is a delusional one set up by those who wish to see themselves as somthing other than what they actually are and what they partake in when it concerns existence.
    Moral realitivism is the delusion. "Nothing matters" is the delusion. Barbarism does exist and is at the heart of the animal-man and the higher minded man has always aspired to tame this; to make more of himself than just an animal.

    I don't feel that I am denying my inner "werewolf" by admiring nobility and honor because I personally need no reminder of the savagery men are capable of.

    I wonder if our difference in opinion has a basis in our own personal aspirations for ourselves. Do you wish to become so much more a savage as much as I wish to become more of a noble?

    Has your own animal-man been denied the hunt, or revenge, or lust, or combat? I have had my fill of such things for now and wish higher things for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    I fail to see any nobility in the world but only savagery.
    We only see that which we wish to see. You wish to see the world as a bunch of savages, you'll see it as a bunch of savages. I prefer to see the world as a lot of misguided folk led by a tiny group of savages; and perhaps an equally tiny group of people who are like precious stones: Rare, but valuable.

    Those are still worth fighting for, the little bit of nobility and the little bit of beauty I still see in my surroundings remind me each time anew that it's not a hopeless cause and that eventually, all members of our folk can live by such an 'aristocratic principle' in being the best, noblest and generally most honourable people they can be.

    The spark of nobility is still present somewhere amongst our folk, any spark that's not yet gone out can be rekindled to a powerful and warming fire.

    Where does there exist nobility?
    Like with many good things in life, so it is with nobility: Don't go looking for nobility, if you're true and noble of heart yourself, then nobility will find you. You just need to notice it and cherish it even if it's just minor and you come across it once in a blue moon. In denying it exists I'm afraid you raise yourself aught above let's say a woman you criticise for no longer appreciating chivalry.

    In reality the distinguishment of nobility is a delusional one set up by those who wish to see themselves as somthing other than what they actually are and what they partake in when it concerns existence.
    We should always stride to be the best we can, as such setting oneself as a goal to live noble isn't a wrongful stride. Even if it isn't going to be attained fully by all who seek it, it doesn't hurt to aspire to be good and noble, even almost godly. Man is an animal for sure, but a thinking animal with the capability to adhere to complex and abstract concepts, this is a capability we should not shy back from taking on when there is good to come from it.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    My opinion about why the gentlemen is an endangered specie, is because our popular culture hardly promotes it anymore. I know from my own childhood cartoon shows like prince Valiant. And other shows aimed at the young that inspired me to adopt certain patterns of conduct. But now it all that is aimed at the young seems of a certain quality that does not need to be mentioned.

    But I have noticed that in most cases girls do appreciate gentlemen like manners. Alto at some times I do get a bit depressed about it, alto I am not perfect in my manners and behavior. But being a gentlemen now a days just makes you the guy you can talk about certain kind of ex-boyfriends and other things .
    The sense of honor is of so fine and delicate a nature that
    it is only to be met with in minds which are naturally noble or
    cultivated by good examples and a refined education.
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