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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOvGermania View Post
    Well, I can certainly understand where you'd think that, but no, not exactly like communism. Both systems are failures, but for different reasons; Communism fails not necessarily because of Marx's final stage of communism (classless, stateless society where everyone owns the means of production), even though I personally think it would only work on a small island and is utterly utopian, it fails because it gets stuck in the intermediate 'dictatorship of the proletariat' more than anything, this can be observed in every communist country, especially the former Eastern Bloc countries.
    Democracy doesn't even have an intermediate stage of development, it's a failure because such an idea would never, EVER exist, even if there was a transitionary period, true democracy would never result from it.
    In a sense, pure communism would be the same as pure democracy, but communism is certainly not that in practice.
    Yes, I know they are different. But they are two sides of the same coin.

    Think of it like this, since the rise of Communism in the East, we have been made to think there are only 2 ideas in a battle to the death, Communism and Capitalism/Democracy/"The Free World"

    It's a chessboard, we're the various pieces. We're fighting against the other guys for our king (idea), but in reality, it's just a Zionist Jew who is playing himself at chess.

    Communism and Capitalism (I include democracy in the umbrella term of Capitalism), are both means to an end, a globalised, stateless world that is run from Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter
    I think this is why at some point you will see Global Government attack any form of open source business, or any form of Robotics that can be used to free communities from Their/Globalist control. This is just about the only reason we are still using Petroleum and other energy sources form the 1900's is Global Government Control.
    I agree, the entire business world is built upon mainly artificially created dependencies, in order to keep the profit generation going.


    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter
    Maybe not each his own, but there is no reason that, cars, computers, and practically any other object cannot be done in a local community with modern technology. And FOOD for sure SHOULD NOT BE left up to Import from a foreign source.

    Note I’m NOT talking about a Multicultural Community here where everyone is only connected by a common monetary system. But one that is based on Race, Culture, and a Community Boundary.
    Again, I agree, unfortunately though, we're not alone on the world, so we really better hope that nations (states/territories with a defined border recognised by other nations) dont cease to exist anytime soon. Without them, there are no means whatsoever to have a "mine" (our people, race, culture) and "yours" (those who dont belong here race-wise) on whose base we can throw them out, and then go on to structure our communities how we wish, which is in accordance with our way to go about culture, community, society, law etc without having to care about others.

    Marx's philosophy imho also would lead to a regress in terms of progress. Progress, be it in science, in technology, in most fields in fact, requires Specialisation, the more specialised someone is in his field the more he can push the envelop. If everyone is an all-rounder because one must be one, no one is specialised because people are busy to farm their piece of land, care for their cattle, make shoes and clothing etc and then there's simply no time left to specialise, most likely the majority of people would do nothing else than the basics.

    Civilisation needs specialisation to advance. This will always also lead to "classes" and hierarchy, although I agree that one can order this fundamentally different from how it was done in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter
    I don’t see a problem with Germanic Populations being their own leaders. Most of us are mature enough to control ourselves.

    Personally I DO not care about "Classless Society" but I do CARE about a society that is FAIR to people of my own race. And that means NOT being dragged into a "Equal" world View where there is a government controlled "Equality" based on various Theories about Multiculturalism.
    Imho hierarchy (however this may look in detail) is just as natural to us as most of our other traits. People who form a team will bring forth sooner or later a team leader, and there is seriously nothing wrong with that.

    Hierarchy, and in fact even the "inequality" of rights are necessities for a functioning society. Nietzsche said, and imho the current reality proves this point quite well, that the "equality of rights can all too easy automatically transform into the equality of the absense of rights (or the equality of injustice)".


    The Japanese proved quite successfully that a hierarchy can be maintained without material disadvantages, without producing homeless, poor and dispossessed people, and without infringing on their basic rights as human beings. They maintain inequality and hierarchy only through immaterial means, ie their honor system which defines an individual's position within the hierarchy and access to further privileges, taking both their social environment and individual merit into account. It's not stiff layers of classes like it was here where ups and downs basically were impossible. NS Germany also tried to implement a similar system, in the short time it existed, quite successfully imho.


    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter
    I think here is the problem.
    ANY Global State Government will NOT be Germanic friendly. Creating a repeat of NAZI Germany based on race in the 21st Century is an Impossibility, because most of the world is NOT Germanic. And Germanic’s have little control over the expansion of Semitic Power, both Jewish and Islamic.

    SO that means what you will see is Global Bolshevism, powered by the rising Muslim population and the Jewish Left and Goy Moron Elites in potions of power.

    We as a population NEED Decentralization for our survival, and so we can base a new foundation for society.

    If we as a Group DO NOT Learn how to leverage this technology in our favour, then we are in for one of the greatest persecutions world wide that has ever happened. It will make anything Romans or Soviet Bolsheviks were able to do or even conceive of like a cake walk.

    It will obliterate any notion of a Germanic Population as a distinct group to a thing of the past.
    That's why I said that we need nations, and preferably strong nations with an active defense.

    I dont disagree that we need to restructure our civilisation as such, internally for us, but without a thick red line that seperates "ours" from "theirs", we are lost, and we'll indeed be wiped off by the storm of third worlders pouring into our regions, which will happen not only because we have the nicer civilisation, but simply because with the ongoing climate change millions of people will be driven out of their homelands, some like in the Indian Ocean (Bali etc) already drown from the rising sea levels, others have an expanding Sahara in their backs that drives them out, Siltation also happens in Spain already etc.

    Imho it's not the time for experiments right now, we need nations and states and armies to defend us. Doesnt mean that we cant think about other structures, specially for food supply etc, which would indeed be vital for us. We need to thrive to re-create nation-states, of course the Globalists will call that "nazi", but if we fail to recreate nation-states, we will lose this struggle.

    Once the world population is reduced back to a proper level of dont know, 2bio maybe, things will be easier for us again
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The Japanese proved quite successfully that a hierarchy can be maintained without material disadvantages, without producing homeless, poor and dispossessed people, and without infringing on their basic rights as human beings. They maintain inequality and hierarchy only through immaterial means, ie their honor system which defines an individual's position within the hierarchy and access to further privileges
    Well, you're right about the Japanese and their social hierarchy. On the other hand, they're a mongoloid race and this is the system that is best suited to them; I'm not sure I'd want to live in a society like Japan all my life. Obviously, the aristocratic idea once existed in Europeans as well, but the social system of the Japanese is the product of an Asiatic culture that goes back thousands of years, and is very alien to our Germanic minds.

    Also, keep in mind that the Japanese and Korean caste systems have functioned so well because they're homogenous countries. It's really the multi-racial caste systems, like India and Latin America, that create misery and shocking poverty.

    NS Germany also tried to implement a similar system, in the short time it existed, quite successfully imho.
    I'm not aware that NS Germany ever tried to implement a similar caste system to the Japanese one. My impression is that NS state didn't really interfere in people's lives, outside of the political realm, and most Germans just continued the same lives under the NS regime that they led before. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

    (The SS did have a hierarchy of sorts, based on racial criteria, but this was obviously never extended to the civilian German population.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Schnadelbach View Post
    Breivik is not right wing, he is a shabbas goy, he loves the hebrews and hates their enemy the muslims and did what he did to punish Norway for not unconditionally supporting the zionist entity. No right winger would shoot up norwegian children. BTW, I'm not a right winger. NS is neither left wing or right wing. It is sui generis, in a class by itself.

    Just maybe it would be a good idea if the left wing should tyrannically crack down on everyone opposed to "alien invasion". It might backfire and cause the masses of white people to finally take a stand. (....)
    Actually... well.. "tyrannical" is a bit too hard a statement, maybe... but as a matter of fact the so called "cultural elite" in Norway IS cracking down on those opposed to "alien invation" ... well not only those, but even on free-thinking PRO-multiculturalism people discussing freely the matter... AND: The Backfire DID manifest in the form of Breivik... and he attacked the (potential) future followers of those naive moraliST crack-downers.... they MADE Breivik... backfire no doubt... that would never have happened if these worries were allowed to be freely discussed... oh, they ARE allowed by law to be discussed... but then you'd have to tolerate threats, being freezed out, being ridicculed, being beaten up by quasi-moralist bullies.. i.e: free speech in theory not practice......

    As of why he has these zionist-sympathies.. I agree.... I can't understand that... and I was really provoked when running hebrew online-newspaper-comments through Google-translate right after the attacks.... zionists in Israel had seen pictures of the campers showing pro-palestine banners, so they, the people chosen by GOD, commented hatefull things like "they had it coming".... and the moderators of those newspapers obviously didn't bother to do anything.....

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    The system Japan today has is essentially NS, it's not their traditional system, and it's not caste based. The system Japan has today has been put in place by the Kaiser with harsh social reforms during the 20s and 30s, and when he was forced to abdicate after WWII, it was already in place. He also wisely made sure that the democratic clown show would not have power over important factors (hence the sometimes funny fist fights in Japanese parliament, if that clown show would actually govern Japan, it would be Sodom and Gomorrah, just like here). Japan is a complex thing, but it has only little to do with their traditional system.

    And imho the fact that we here fundamentally reject any form of engineered social cohesion is very much one of our fundamental problems. It's not that this would be our nature like it is today, it is a product of the last 200 years (French Revolution onwards). When everyone rejects perceiving himself as part of a folk first, there simply is no more folk.

    What NS did was putting the people back into an order within society (look for exampe the BDM thread), they teached them values, how to behave and how to handle their tasks so that they'd be able to teach those things to their children, because since more than 100 years everyone just screamed for more rights, more freedom, more egotism, more me me me, pushing the very concept of community ever further backwards in the order of things that matter.

    Most people are sheeple, they need someone to tell them what to do and how, a fact that is entirely independent of the possibility that they are smart and intelligent. To quote Nietzsche once more, it would be a sign of modest acknowledgement if we would eventually accept this stupid little detail and become more Japanese again (he said Chinese, which back then maybe was valid since there still was a Chinese Empire and not the communist mess it is now). Social cohesion is an inborn trait, not only for them but also for us, it is a necessity and in fact a human desire. Without it, society is an empty word that refers to a collection of individuals who happen to share a living space. Exceptions grow from that "mediocre" basis. But they in turn need this mediocre base to grow on, that which enables them to grow above and beyond that in the first place. What in Hel's name would be so terrible about it if people would be a "useful wheel in the gear" (a useful part and member of the folk first and foremost), a position with which most people are happy too?

    It's simply wrong that everyone is an "exception", a "fighter", an "aristocrat". Most people are entirely happy with a profession that they can serve, and in turn this means that our societies produce thousands of "white trash", because our retarded ideology demands from them that they fight for their place and the very opportunities to get one at all, and because their character, their traits and their desire is incapable of doing so and they consequently fail.

    Our societies currently (since 200+ years, the beginnings of that development are even older) have a lot of problems on their own, and we'd still have these problems without cultural marxism and millions of foreigners. And one of the most fundamental problems is the turn-around of perception and valueing of being a member of a folk body vs the individual is the be-all and end-all and everything else is "voluntary". This is just another BS dystopia that will bring us down even without foreign "help" to go extinct.
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    Not that I think things can be solved through a ballot box these days, but it looks like Greece will elect some members of the Golden Dawn to parliament in the upcoming national elections. I believe it will be the first time that an openly national socialist party has achieved national representation in Europe since the days of the SRP after the war in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ampersand View Post
    Not that I think things can be solved through a ballot box these days, but it looks like Greece will elect some members of the Golden Dawn to parliament in the upcoming national elections. I believe it will be the first time that an openly national socialist party has achieved national representation in Europe since the days of the SRP after the war in Germany.
    This is one thing people often forget about. Political parties are not the be-all and end-all, they are merely the political wing of a greater movement.

    The movement, needs many faces, a party, a youth league, something similar to the Magyar Garda/Sturmabteilung, etc etc.

    It needs to be built from the ground up, grass-roots level. People need to know that a vote for the party, is a vote for the nation itself, a vote for the very spirit of the people.

    I always say this, the Jobbik party of Hungary, is the absolutely perfect modern adaption of the NSDAP. They are a model for success.

    If anyone is pessimistic about the chances of Nationalist triumph, look again at Jobbik. It received about 2% of the votes in the federal elections in 2006, about the same as most nationalist parties in Europe. Now, later that year, Vona Gabor took over, he instantly created the Magyar Garda (modern SA), expanded the party rapidly, and by the next elections, Jobbik gets about 17% of the votes. A 15% increase!!!!

    We need something like the Magyar Garda to protect our parties from harrassment, and so that the current governments realise they need to take us seriously, and fear us.

    Look at the modern governments, they are all cold contraptions that have no love for us. We're numbers in a book to them.

    Our parties and movements need to make people feel like they genuinely matter, we need to be telling children "In your blood, flows the blood of many heroes, the spirit of Hermann marches within you, the spirit of the Teutonic knights who civilised the East, the spirit of those Vikings who sailed out, to find settlements as far as Canada, the spirit of legends. Live up to them."

    A new state cannot come from the top down, it needs to be organic, to grow from within the people. Because when we need loyalty, belief and fanaticism, we can always find this within the people themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Imho it's not the time for experiments right now, we need nations and states and armies to defend us. Doesnt mean that we cant think about other structures, specially for food supply etc, which would indeed be vital for us. We need to thrive to re-create nation-states, of course the Globalists will call that "nazi", but if we fail to recreate nation-states, we will lose this struggle.
    I think the problem here is there is no room for any other Nation other than the globalist in their world view. That means that in order for them to survive they HAVE to enforce Multiculturalism at ALL COST.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    I don’t disagree that we need to restructure our civilization as such, internally for us, but without a thick red line that separates "ours" from "theirs", we are lost, and we'll indeed be wiped off by the storm of third worlders pouring into our regions, which will happen not only because we have the nicer civilization, but simply because with the ongoing climate change millions of people will be driven out of their homelands, some like in the Indian Ocean (Bali etc) already drown from the rising sea levels, others have an expanding Sahara in their backs that drives them out, Siltation also happens in Spain already etc.
    All the more reason to Start Building strong Germanic Communities based on Objective and Scientific principal. The State as it currently exist will not help any of the above problems.

    The only option I think Germanic people have in an overcrowded world is to form independent Micro Nations, that are self supporting. And basically remove any resources that feed the Global Government.

    I think we can already see this happening as times get tough in the form of what is called "Intentional Communities". These are far stronger than Imperial Globalism, and will out live it. So in 100 years it is likely that these will be the main manifestations of the way people live.

    Here are some things I have observed in regard to the differences of Nation vs State.

    I DO NOT see them as the same entity, and in fact are diametrically opposed to each other.

    Nation is organic and based on things like Race, Culture, common values, and most of the time common geography.

    >Nation because it is a community can take into account the differences among people in their own race and make adjustments based on Fairness and does not need "Equality".

    >Nation/Race is held together by blood not economics.

    >Nation is naturally efficient because it is based on nature.

    >Nation by nature is Anti-Multicultural because it has no need to integrate to survive.

    >Nation by its very nature has no need to fight resource wars to propel empire.

    >In essence Nation/Race is the only system that can achieve stability.




    State is NON-organic and based on "Laws" that have been created by "Leaders" generally on some set of agreed upon statistics.

    >State promotes "Equality" which is nothing more than as set of numerical or legal values that are the same for everyone in society.

    >State is based on the number of people in a geographical area and not on the Race of the people or the natural value they have to that region.

    >State is Multicultural by its very nature and because it's highest value is "Equality" and not "Fairness" it cannot treat people of different races differently because it is based on numerical equality not reality or fairness.

    >State is Unfair to all that reside in it.

    >State is corrupt and wasteful.

    >State is incapable of making rational decisions.

    >In essence State is artificial Bull Shit!
    State is non sustainable.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    on whose base we can throw them out, and then go on to structure our communities how we wish, which is in accordance with our way to go about culture, community, society, law etc without having to care about others.
    Well first of all NONE of this has anything what so ever to do about "Caring About Others", you can "Care all you want about say Somalis form Africa, but if you let them capsize your life boat, then you are both dead.

    Which then makes you NOT Caring but Stupid. Stupidity is NOT Compassion, it is Just Stupidity. Stupidity is NOT a virtue.

    I have no problem caring about other people, but there are degrees of care I would think, with my family members being at the top, then my Nationality, then humanity as a whole.

    But Trespass and Theft is a lousy ways to build a friendship, and in the case of these people, they have crossed the line, which means they have invalidated the "Care Aspect", and It is NOT up to Germanic Society to give them further space for violation.

    The Ball is now in their court!

    FOR THE RECORD LIBERALS ARE NOT CARING THEY ARE EVIL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The system Japan today has is essentially NS, it's not their traditional system, and it's not caste based.
    It's an outgrowth of the traditional system, though. Japan has always been a hierarchical country where the official "leaders" (whether it's emperors or parliaments) have very little power, and the samurai class makes the decisions. One could say that Japan needs the illusion of the absolute leader, while in reality there is an upper caste that governs the society.

    And imho the fact that we here fundamentally reject any form of engineered social cohesion is very much one of our fundamental problems. It's not that this would be our nature like it is today, it is a product of the last 200 years (French Revolution onwards). When everyone rejects perceiving himself as part of a folk first, there simply is no more folk.
    I agree with this.

    What NS did was putting the people back into an order within society (look for exampe the BDM thread), they teached them values, how to behave and how to handle their tasks so that they'd be able to teach those things to their children, because since more than 100 years everyone just screamed for more rights, more freedom, more egotism, more me me me, pushing the very concept of community ever further backwards in the order of things that matter.
    My point was that while the NS regime did instill a sense of ethnic community in the Germans, they never tried to implement a semi-official caste system like the one we see in Japan. The NS leadership were decidedly non-aristocratic. (In fact, they were often at odds with the traditional Prussian aristocracy).

    To quote Nietzsche once more, it would be a sign of modest acknowledgement if we would eventually accept this stupid little detail and become more Japanese again (he said Chinese, which back then maybe was valid since there still was a Chinese Empire and not the communist mess it is now).
    Red China today is many things, but "a mess" is not one of them. During the time Nietzsche wrote that, China was a much messier and weaker country than it is today (Europeans even had colonies there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    It's an outgrowth of the traditional system, though. Japan has always been a hierarchical country where the official "leaders" (whether it's emperors or parliaments) have very little power, and the samurai class makes the decisions. One could say that Japan needs the illusion of the absolute leader, while in reality there is an upper caste that governs the society.
    That would be an Oligarchy, which is what most governments evolve into to given time. [Rule by the Eleits]

    I will say this though, the Ninja were especially good at killing members of the samurai class


    I agree with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    My point was that while the NS regime did instill a sense of ethnic community in the Germans, they never tried to implement a semi-official caste system like the one we see in Japan. The NS leadership were decidedly non-aristocratic. (In fact, they were often at odds with the traditional Prussian aristocracy).
    Aristocracy is more or less an inadequate defence system to maintain an ethnic nation, because ultimately all you need to happen is the wrong intermarriage and the entire thing is shot to hell. NS were more scientific than that, and used genetics as a determining factor. Which is a provable point, and cannot be disputed by political intermarriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Red China today is many things, but "a mess" is not one of them. During the time Nietzsche wrote that, China was a much messier and weaker country than it is today (Europeans even had colonies there).
    China is more or less "Not a Mess" because they dumped most of the economic socialism that was part of the earlier Communist Regime. They are now more or less Market Fascist, in the since that they allow the government to run Corporations, and only get involved when there is an issue. Also they have the imminence western markets, and corrupt politicians that keep feeding them resources.

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