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    Nationalism... the definition can vary. I thought it was nationalism that allowed the world wars to take place while whoever was pulling the strings behind the scenes led us to kill each other. At least on the Allied side, everyone was too concerned about being British, German, Norwegian, or American rather than sharing common history. We didn't realize our similarities at the time and were too quick to fight each other at our countries' beckoning since there was no other seen threat of infiltrators or the rising third world as there is now.

    I don't think nationalism precludes imperialism. Look at the British empire or current American empire. Americans on Skadi had to endure an entire thread devoted to anti-Americanism. I did consider myself a natonalist but now this thread has me questioning the definition. I am a nationalist for the country I want my country to be, not how it is currently.

    I could be nothing but a pure nationalist and not worry about kinship with any other people. I could then say: Hooray, Obama America! Bomb those Arabs, give lots of aid to Israel and Africa, let all the third world in so long as they become American!

    This forum by default has a bit of a pan-Germanic theme. The mindset is that Norwegians and Germans, though they belong to separate countries and cultures and we want them to stay that way, are cousins with common history that are facing the same modern threats. For me it's a bit different: The English, Germans, and Norwegians literally are my blood relatives quite recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    Haven't you read Norway's history? We did resist! We did fight! We sank Blücher and we destroyed Hitler's attempt at making the very first a-bomb, by blowing up the heavy factory at Rjukan. It was the most successful, and probably the most daring sabotage mission in WWII history. The Norwegians who undertook this would have to live off of moss for weeks (and the rare reindeer), enduring frostbites, malnutrition, possible snoblindness and hundreds of Nazi troops. Norwegians fought, again and again.
    I meant large-scale, open, military warfare.

    As for the Rjukan operation, it was nothing but a tragedy, I'm sorry to say, despite the brave efforts of the sabotagers.
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    Hevneren,
    With all due respect, you seem to be spouting more rhetoric than opinion or fact. Despite the fact that I dislike national socialism, or any type of socialism for that matter, I find your posts to be rather inflammatory, and while I think we would agree on some fundamental issues, you seem to be rather closed minded to be on this forum, especially in regard to your question as to why we concentrate on the Jews so much. First of all, I would posit why you do not focus on those who control the majority of the media; Secondly I would question why you do not suspect those who control the majority of the investment banks in the world (thereby controlling the economies of the world), and thirdly I would question why you call the community "closed minded" who do not subscribe to the liberal community's opinion, (which, by the way, I am specializing in at school and have picked out as the most liberal sector of college education). I would suggest that if you would like to mascarade as a nationalist, you should at the very least educate yourself as to the facts of international and interracial interaction.
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    I think the nazis were only right to take austria and possibly parts of sudetenland and poland but overall they were more imperialist than nationalist. They had power on the top of all and that is why I dislike them.

    Some of their ideas were interesting, but in the end they are the reason why today countries are so guilty for the "atrocities" of the white race. It was a high stake war: win and be victorious to the german people, or lose and make a downfall for the german people for the future of government.

    Personally they cause more deaths to germanics. they invaded norway and killed/ raped my people. it was all a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    So uncomprimising principle is more important for you than the survival and well-being of your own Nation?

    Norway would never have been able to fight back the invasion by Germany, our lousy leaders sought to that. Of course it would have been in our every right to try to, but it would only have lead to further demise and suffering of our People. I don't see why a Nationalist would want to support that.
    This is true, but ideally, why should Germany (or any other nation involved in WW2) have invaded Norway in the first place? I don't agree with the occupation. Norway should have been left alone, if Norwegians wanted to stay out of it and remain neutral. Occupying Norway wasn't right, in my opinion. I also believe that you should fight to protect what you love, regardless of the cost. Whether it be for your wife, your children, your family, your people, your nation, and so on. However, I feel that The Avenger is a bit harsh with his words, and he seems to act as if 1930s/40s Germany is current Germany. Does he feel that present day Germans are his enemies? I certainly hope not.

    And if anyone has a different point of view, in regards to Norway and Germany during WW2 that is, let me know. For example, would the so-called "Allies" (not including the soviets) have had the intention to "secure" Norway as an access way to Germany? This seems very likely, although I'm not sure if the surrounding conditions would have been the same, i.e., the deaths, scarcity of food, Telavåg, "lebensborn" programs, etc.

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    That Britain had plans to invade Norway before Germany is undeniable. Read about Plan R4 and Operation Wilfred.

    Here are the wikipedia links to them ...


    As for all the hysterical, romanticised stuff I'm hearing from one poster in particular, it's worth recalling that the German invasion of Norway killed barely 800 Norwegian soldiers so let's get this whole thing back into perspective, shall we?

    When you consider that some Zionist crackpot recently managed to wipe out 10% of this number in under 2 hours (oops, sorry, I just mentioned the Jews ) you soon realise that much of the hype about the German occupation has been grossly overdone!

    You tell me that as an Englishman I don't understand you, Hevneren, but you clearly don't understand that this is not a 'Nationalist' forum where we all come to score points at the expense of each others' countries. This has possibly led to your false perception of being "the only true nationalist on Skadi", as you put it

    I'm equally sure that you don't understand anything about Germanic Preservation in a wider sense, and choose to focus instead on a historical issue that you deliberately use as a divisive tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einarr
    And if anyone has a different view point, in regards to Norway and Germany during WW2 that is, let me know. For example, would the so-called "Allies" (not including the soviets) have had the intention to "secure" Norway as an access way to Germany? This seems very likely, although I'm not sure if the surrounding conditions would have been the same, i.e., the deaths, scarcity of food, Telavåg, "lebensborn" programs, etc.
    Look at Britain for what the "Allies" did to another Ally. The American (mostly black) troops raped the British women, and they raped the freshly "liberated" French women en masse too. The western Allies drove several million German people post-war!!! (civil, not only soldiers) into camps and had them starve to death or shot them. There have been orders for the Black troops to rape the Germans in order to create mixed-race babies, just like in France (although France was a real "color-blind" society, mixed race children were an absolute rarity). That's the allied version of "liberation".

    Norway was a strategically important door, Norway is rich in oil. Yes, we invaded Norway, and its tragic that so many died in the process, but we did this to prevent Norway from falling prey to the western Allies. It was not in the realm of Norway to stay neutral from a certain point on. Our invasion was neither born from imperialism nor hostility towards the Norwegians (or Sweden, Denmark, Finland and the Netherlands for that matter), it was to secure our back, since we already were engaged in a several fronts war and couldnt effort to risk more vulnerable fronts.

    The "invasion" of Denmark was accompanied by hailing the German troops, waving of the swastika flag and celebrations. 23 communist resistance people were killed. Unfortunate, but actually, they were in fact enemies of the Danish people as well, just as today's politicians with their criminal policies are enemies of all our respective nations' peoples.

    The Lebensborn project was a voluntary thing, and there have been a lot of women who came to the project. Post war this all was turned into alleged "rapes" and "victims", Norway persecuted the women, called them "whores", took the children away and threw them into orphanages, they became objects of harrassment and even outright hate. Not all Norwegians were hostile to NS or Germany, there have been a lot of SS volunteers too, just like in all the "invaded" countries.

    Germany's socalled imperialism during the war was not meant to last post-war. Although Germany considered herself as the leading country for Europe, it was not intended to include the Netherlands or Scandinavia into the German Reich, but have them exist as souvereign nations that though were friends and allies of Germany.

    For the eastern regions that we allegedly illegally invaded. Until 1919, they were German territory, stolen through a worthless piece of paper called the Versaille Treaty which redistributed our territory to other countries with the aim to cripple Germany entirely. It's not for nothing that the time after 1919 until the NSDAP rise to power is called Gewaltfrieden ("peace through force"), which translated only means to destroy Germany economically and as a nation as such.

    A wish by the western allies based in an already back then outlived idea of Geo-Politics, where Europe (with Germany at its heartland) was called the World Island, and the idea of globalists that who rules the world island, rules the world. This idea became wrong already after the Russian revolution, which saw the Jewish banksters move in droves to America, from where they controlled the world trade from now on. Long before even the first world war.

    Germany's attempt at becoming a European power, which it was anyway economically, but politically it had only little influence, actually was a plan to secure Europe's independence and counterweight to the ever more powerful becoming America that pressed its own imperialism onto the world. Two world wars later, Europe's independence and self-determination is subdued under the global trade and finance terror, with only the communist eastern bloc being a hindrance to global domination. A threat that ended in 1989, and since then it goes downhill for all of us with ever increasing speed.

    It's somewhat interesting that Germany is hated for wanting to prevent this world order to become the sole world dominating power and secure Europe's particularities and indepedent nations, while the NWO terrorism and imperialism that today has its thumbs on each and every single nation is not realised as the global imperialism it really is, that only knows the "culture" of consumerism and eradicates all particular cultures world wide in exchange for profit thinking and materialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Look at Britain for what the "Allies" did to another Ally. The American (mostly black) troops raped the British women, and they raped the freshly "liberated" French women en masse too. The western Allies drove several million German people post-war!!! (civil, not only soldiers) into camps and had them starve to death or shot them. There have been orders for the Black troops to rape the Germans in order to create mixed-race babies, just like in France (although France was a real "color-blind" society, mixed race children were an absolute rarity). That's the allied version of "liberation".
    All of that is deeply disgusting and unacceptable, indeed. I will never be able to understand why the western allied forces just sat by and allowed such atrocities to happen, especially in Germany. The mass rapes, murders, starvation. It was undignified and truly sad. Pathetic. I certainly wasn't implying that the allied forces were all angels or something. I also purposely excluded the soviets in my comment, as we all know what especially atrocious animals they were.

    The Lebensborn project was a voluntary thing, and there have been a lot of women who came to the project. Post war this all was turned into alleged "rapes" and "victims", Norway persecuted the women, called them "whores", took the children away and threw them into orphanages, they became objects of harrassment and even outright hate. Not all Norwegians were hostile to NS or Germany, there have been a lot of SS volunteers too, just like in all the "invaded" countries.
    Thank you for clearing that up, I wasn't sure if it was entirely voluntary or not. It still seems shady and very "one-sided" to me, if you understand what I mean. All of the unions involved German soldiers with Norwegian women, and I've read that many of the fathers were "unknown." It just didn't seem very respectable. I sincerely hope that it wasn't forced. "War children" as they call them (nothing to do with rape in this case) were a very common thing however, and it happened all over Europe.

    Germany's socalled imperialism during the war was not meant to last post-war. Although Germany considered herself as the leading country for Europe, it was not intended to include the Netherlands or Scandinavia into the German Reich, but have them exist as souvereign nations that though were friends and allies of Germany.
    This would have been the best scenario, and it is something I personally would have hoped for had things turned out differently (if Germany did not lose, or if the "Allies" had never declared war on Germany in the first place). I wouldn't accept an occupied Norway post-war, however.

    For the eastern regions that we allegedly illegally invaded. Until 1919, they were German territory, stolen through a worthless piece of paper called the Versaille Treaty which redistributed our territory to other countries with the aim to cripple Germany entirely. It's not for nothing that the time after 1919 until the NSDAP rise to power is called Gewaltfrieden ("peace through force"), which translated only means to destroy Germany economically and as a nation as such.
    And this was of course related to the start of it all, which occurred when Britain and France then declared war on Germany. I wish that had never happened, and that Germany would have remained a neutral ally after reclaiming those stolen territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einarr View Post
    This is true, but ideally, why should Germany (or any other nation involved in WW2) have invaded Norway in the first place?
    To plunder their natural resources to their own advantage.

    I don't agree with the occupation. Norway should have been left alone, if Norwegians wanted to stay out of it and remain neutral.
    The elemental question and the lesson to be learned- What is a border? What is a contract?

    In this, the Party ignored both when they breached Norway's borders and ignored her neutrality. Yet, the occupation of the German military was only temporary. A true Nation does not cease to be when occupied. As the German force dissipated, Norway reclaimed it's unity under the proper flag of her fathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einarr
    (... or if the "Allies" had never declared war on Germany in the first place).

    And this was of course related to the start of it all, which occurred when Britain and France then declared war on Germany. I wish that had never happened, and that Germany would have remained a neutral ally after reclaiming those stolen territories.
    Just as a side note on this. With the unified Germany of 1871, Britain saw Germany as a threat to her empire, despite that Germany did not have any ambitions to destroy it, or even to "undermine" Britain's power grip over the world. Traditionally, British power over continental middle/northern Europe was very limited anyway, so there was no threat whatsoever coming from Germany. Yet, Britain believed that. Stirred up by our special tribe's "friends" of course too.

    From that point where Germany became an economical super power, it was no longer in our hands to stay neutral. Everyone suddenly wanted to crush Germany, and our "tribe friends" added a new dimension to that with wanting to exterminate Germany as a nation (it's people, not only economically). We actually won the war in 1916, and some background to that can be read here (very important info). Germany became the exchange price for Israel, a deal which Britain willingly fulfilled. The Jews got America into WWI to crush Germany and help Britain to a late victory. Britain complied by occupying the independent nation of Palestine in the 20s, but only the second WW delivered it eventually to the Jews. In fact, the 30s coined term the Great War is indeed correct, WWI and II are one war, not two independent events. There never was real peace.

    World Jewry declared - once more - war on Germany in 1933, the Soviets were mobilising from 37 onwards against Germany, Poland invaded illegally the German territories and started to commit atrocities against the Germans in East Prussia (which they wanted for sea access), France was allied to Russia, the very reason why we invaded France to keep it off our backs (how much of a threat they really were is questionable since taking France tooks us 3 weeks or something, but they certainly could have become an annoyance), Britain wasnt happy that we build an economic system from which world finance couldnt profit anymore either (and this really was the only "threat" Germany posed to Britain, or rather her zionist occupied banks), and World Jewry got America into the war again for the same reason. This world wanted Germany to be crushed entirely, destroyed and its territories redistributed to world finance friendly countries.

    Hitler didnt start to mobilise out of nothing or because he had so much "imperialist ambitions" as it is painted today. Half the world had declared war on us, how could we stay "neutral"? If we had complied to the Versaille Treaty, which forbid Germany to rearm, Germany wouldnt exist today anymore, because even without any war from our side, Germany would have been crushed.

    Morgenthau made his split-up plan for Germany in 1943 (2 years before the end of the war, hmm...), which splitted Germany into three parts, a Soviet occupied east, later known as the GDR, a rather tiny "independent" Germany in the south, and a "Free Trade Zone", which stretched along the Rhine from Saarland through North-Rhine Westfalia (the mining industry) to most of northern Germany (under American or rather world trade governance).

    The only reason why Germany still exists is that the Soviet Union ceased to be a western ally and became itself a "threat" (ie, didnt want to play the game with their rules) to global finance and "free trade" domination. Otherwise Germany would have been dissolved, so it had to serve as bulwark against communism.


    Btw also the reason why the "west" suddenly hates Gaddafi so much (while it didnt give a rat's ass during the last 40 years of his rule at all). The pattern is still the same, any country that dares to question the global trade terror system and tries building up an independent economic system must be eradicated (anekdote on this: somewhen in the 19th century "traders" killed a South American president to secure "free trade" for - attention: Bananas). Gaddafi was busy to build such a system throughout North Africa (the Arab nations, not the black ones who he couldnt care less about). Just look at which countries are labelled the "Axe of Evil", it's all countries who tried to prevent being swallowed by that system. Iran, Iraq, Kuweit etc. For what? For "free trade" of oil, for a price the west determines, ie as cheap as possible. Afghanistan also has oil, earth gas (the main motivators for the war) and Lapislazuli, it would be a super rich country if it werent bombed to dust. Now, Muslim belief prohibites charging interests on loan money, and so basically all Muslim countries are of course "evil terrorists" by default, the Taleban f.e. are nationalists who think that their country should be governed by themselves and not some Word Trade Organisation that exploits their resources for nothing in return. The Pakistan / Afghanistan gas pipeline, for which both countries would charge transit fees to the buyers, is most likely the reason why America dumped some 5,4 Trillion Dollars already on that war (oh the irony), to safe some fees and to enforce "free trade" (ie ruleless and unlimited trade). The EU some weeks ago threatened China with a court case in the WTO court to enforce "free trade" (that is, no export taxes and no limitations on the exported amounts) of their Rare Earth resources (some different minerals). Etc etc etc.

    It's always the same pattern. Any country thinking it could be independent and install some protection mechanisms against the Global Trade terror exploitation of its country's resources and people will be declared an enemy of "freedom", ie the free exploitation of everyone and every country with ruleless movement of resources and labor force (aka mass-migration) for unlimited profit interests.

    And that is why NS is hated so much. National Socialism does employ "capitalist" market mechanisms, but "world finance" cannot profit from them because the profits are directed in a way that the nation profits from the revenues of a nation's labor and not "international investors" and banksters. It boxes capitalism in an effective way, and while the international banksters fear every nationalist ambition, they fear NS like the devil the holy water, because if more nations would be NS, it would entirely take away their base for profits and "free trade". Because when a nation governs its own banks and currency and trade, it is a real sovereign nation.
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