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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    This is correct, and cannot be denied. What can also not be denied is both Germany's unfortunate approach to a lot of things in Norway and Norway's subsequent wrong way of dealing with it. Terboven was out of place, and Quisling, whom he put in to placate the people, wasn't much more of a 'philosopher king' so to speak.
    One should not forget -- but I have the impression people always do -- that Norway was "invaded" more than seven months after the war began. Hitler was such an evil man, yeah, we know, but why did he not come earlier?

    It is very simple. He did simply not want to fight in the west. He wanted to end the war in the west, and come to terms with Britain and France.

    These terms, in goes without saying, would have included that Britain and France, both once and for all forwent, and hence did without meddling in German affairs, especially Germany's eastern border.

    The prior concession Hitler had already made in exchange for this, was that he conceded and confirmed all German losses of territory in the north, in the west, and in the south. Therefore the Danish-German border was not rectified in Germany's favor, in spite of the "invasion". Hitler somewhat nonchalantly declared, that "there had been a fair referendum, and the matter thus was solved" -- which is the reason why today Hitler indeed is fiercely hated in Nordslesvig, namely by the ethnic Germans living there.

    Those had been -- from a purely German point of view -- already almost unbearable concessions. Millions of German folk had been de facto given up forever, had been offered by Hitler, to appease the upper crusts in Britain and France.

    A lot of money and a lot of labor Hitler had invested not in tanks and not in Stukas and not in U-Boats (which he should have done though), but in the construction of the Westwall. Before the war, he several times said in public, also to western journalists, that the Westwall was "impenetrable". And it really was. The Westwall was not even in 1945 penetrated frontally, but from the rear. It would not have been possible for Britain and France to defeat Germany without violating the neutrality of other countries.

    The British government, on the other hand, was hoping for another hunger winter replicating in Germany, and subsequent hunger riots and mutinies, as there had been in 1918. But winter 1939/40 came and went -- and there were no hunger riots, not strikes, no mutinies whatsoever in Germany, as had been so much expected and hoped for and reckoned with in the City of London. Because this time, Germany had a National Socialist government, which saw to it that food was distributed fairly and not abused for usury. The antifa was cracked down where it dared show up, and all jews had been removed from all vital positions. So, there was no hope for the City of London.

    That was of course such a big disappointment in London, and elsewhere. So, the "Norman" Lords, and their jewish brothers-in-law had to think out other ways and means, how to "break the power of the German people". And some of their super brains finally settled on the idea to cut off the iron ore supply from Sweden, which was shipped via Norwegian ports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    We've had this state-funded and media-backed Antifa scene in Europe, especially German-speaking countries for years, even decades, and yes, we've survived that thus far. Usually, the bad things get imported to Europe from the US, this time it worked vice-versa.

    Remember, they have the media, institutions and high-ranking politicians backing them, which means: Our conduct must be exemplary and we can't do a head-hunt on them, because they have the means to bring up the entire nation against us as a result.

    Just ignore their provocations and let them make a fool of themselves instead of giving yourself a criminal record and them a free stage performance. Defend yourself when necessary, but don't openly seek conflict with them. Use intelligent activism and logical arguments, this drives them nuts and will demask them as the idiots they are time and time again.
    Something should be noted here, though perhaps another thread on just the subject of these idiots is needed.

    The one big difference I see with antifa here in the states as compared to those in Europe is that Americans love guns. It will not be long until they decide to randomly beat the wrong person and said person draws a .45 and takes out several of them.

    The other thing is to my surprise there are several mainstream media outlets denouncing them as you have stated they have de-masked themselves for what they really are. Watch the whole video please.

    Antifa Violence Finally Called Out by Media


    Besides all this the average American has the attention span of a three year old and most will become distracted with the next "shocking" story such as a hurricane or Kim Kardashian sexing yet another nigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I do not like repeating myself for the 7th time and I find it embarrassing that I have to remind staff members of the mission statement of their own forum. But since you insist to single out those who criticize NS and insinuate they do not know what Germanic preservation is, I see no other alternative:
    National Socialist Germany was, historically, the only state to explicitly adopt and enforce Germanic preservation as policy. Did they attack other Germanic nations? Yes, but with the aim of conquering them quickly and with minimal bloodshed, as indeed happened in Poland and France, too. Hitler's ambivalence toward waging such a bloody war of attrition with England is well-known and documented as well, so one cannot really accuse the German leadership of having no sympathies toward Germanic nations other than their own. Were those other nations caught in the middle and unwillingly involved in a war between major European powers? Yes, unfortunately, as they have been throughout recorded history. Is this cause to demonize "evil Nazis" specifically? Reading this thread, one might think so.

    So, let me tell you what Germanic preservation is NOT. Germanic preservation is NOT expending 90% of one's energy on a Germanic preservation forum criticizing those "evil Nazis." If we want to hear such propaganda, we can go to Huffington Post or any other mainstream media website, where "evil Nazis" are endlessly demonized, and anyone claiming to wish to preserve his European nation is in turn demonized as an "evil Nazi." I think most Germanic preservationists are sick of being demonized simply for wanting to survive. While Skadi is NOT a "neo-nazi forum," neither is it an antifa forum. We (meaning Germanic people who want to survive) DO have real enemies out there in the world, and it is those enemies who deserve our attention, not fellow Germanic preservationists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    To be honest, yes. there are such members who make constantly such statements implicitly.

    I will rather not write their names.
    Oh, please. Take a look at your own statements. The only person talking about "Jew gassers" is you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    Well, whatever some people may think and say about Hitler, it cannot be denied that he was thinking and talking about Germanic people, but especially about the preservation of Germanic people and culture, at a time when others were not.
    Incorrect and I have already posted countless examples of how Hitler was not thinking the preservation of Germanic people and culture but about emulating Greeks and Romans, how Hitler banned and destroyed parts of Germanic culture and spirituality because he was ashamed of old Germanic past and wanted to replace it with a "glorious" pseudo-Germanic, in reality Roman empire. Not to mention the "germanization" of non-Germanic people like Slavs, the betrayal of South Tyrol, his use of children in the war and finally his stubbornness to take Germany down with him in flames. Had it been up to Hitler, Germany would have perished rather then become non-nazi. These have nothing to do with Germanic preservation. You can call Hitler a Romanophilic fascist, if you really want to stretch it some sort of white racialist or white supremacist, but a Germanic preservationist he was not.

    In the end, dear Spjabork, what you think is of no consequence to the Skadi mission statement. Skadi's mission statement clearly says Skadi is not a NS forum and that it finds such ideologies "incompatible with our freedom-loving Germanic spirit and our diverse and enlightened Germanic societies".

    So even if 99,9% of Skadi's active regulars were NS, they still do not have the right to tell those who criticize or oppose NS, those who support freedom, democracy, libertarianism, classical liberalism or even pacifism that they have no place on Skadi or that they are trolling. It cannot be considered trolling what is already endorsed by the Skadi mission statement.

    If you do not like Skadi's mission and idea of Germanic preservation, then I suggest you re-enact Thiazi (why don't you, by the way?) or some other neo-nazi forum where the first rule is that your saint and god Hitler cannot be criticized. Otherwise, you will have to deal with the fact that there are people critical of NS on Skadi and we are not giving up our freedom of speech or this right just because the neo-nazi mob believes we should.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    ...So, let me tell you what Germanic preservation is NOT...
    To be perfectly blunt, I do not care what you think Germanic preservation is and is not. I only care about Skadi's official definition (as presented in its mission statement) is, and it does not include nazism. The rest can be debated amongst members, in a civilized discussion without throwing ad hominems, troll and traitor accusations. Everybody on Skadi has their own view and definition about what it is and what it is not. As you can yourself see, it differs from person to person. That is understandable.

    What I have a problem with is you or some other NS labeling people who have criticized NS as traitors or having less of a right to be here or express their opinion because they support Germanic preservation.

    I have contributed countless other topics on this forum which you have chosen to ignore and/or criticized those as well (Germanic preservation is not about beer brewing and other cultural practices). I invite you to search for all threads I have posted and post your contributions on these other, non-NS related topics. Thank you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Oh, please. Take a look at your own statements. The only person talking about "Jew gassers" is you.
    I put the term in "" though, to ironicize it.

    Others than me, they would not write this term, but they would mean it with every single breath & sigh of their typing fingers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Incorrect and I have already posted countless examples of how Hitler was not thinking the preservation of Germanic people and culture but about emulating Greeks and Romans, how Hitler banned and destroyed parts of Germanic culture and spirituality because he was ashamed of old Germanic past and wanted to replace it with a "glorious" pseudo-Germanic, in reality Roman empire.
    I do not believe that this is the real reason why you attack Hitler all the time.

    But just for your information: Hitler had attended a German primary school, and a German secondary school. And in these schools, he was told, as little boy, about the greatness and the cultural superiority of the Ancient Roman Empire. Latin language was compulsory in German higher education, until 1945. This was a major flaw of the general education at that time. Meanwhile we have realized this. And we will mend our ways.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Not to mention the "germanization" of non-Germanic people like Slavs,
    This is none of your business. We Germans also do not question how many McEEs and O'Bees you did "anglicize". Let's rest it at that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    the betrayal of South Tyrol,
    Oh, please stop this. I think you give a damn for South Tirol. Do you even know where it is located on the map?

    I have set out in my post above, that it wasn't about "South Tirol" only, but that it was about all German territories lost after the Great War in the north, in the west, and in the south.

    And I have explained above, why Hitler did "betray" all these lands. He did so in order to avoid and prevent a new war with Britain (north), France (west), and Italy (south).
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    his use of children in the war
    There is a lot to say on that. If the Russians "use" children for guerilla warfare -- which is against international law -- then it is glorified, and noone in US media criticizes it.

    By the way, did you read Treasure Island by Stevenson? Or Huckleberry Finn? The boys in there were of the same age as our Hitler youth.

    In Treasure Island, the boy Jim Hawkins is shooting a drunken Irishman to death, in self-defence. And in 1945 some Hitler Youth of the same age were blowing up bolshevik tanks with their panzerfaust, in self-denfence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    and finally his stubbornness to take Germany down with him in flames.
    If the Americans would not have air-bombed Germany, there would have been no "flames". Because the bolsheviks didn't have four-engined bombers.

    Hitler was hoping to the last day, literally to last hours of his life, that the Anglo-Americans would come to their senses.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Had it been up to Hitler, Germany would have perished rather then become non-nazi.
    This would only be condemnable if there would exist "another" Germany outside National Socialism. But there is no such thing, as we see and realize today.

    None of the political parties in the FRG who are "allowed" to take part in all those "free elections" does ever address, not to mention tackle, the real problems of the German folk. And none of them ever will. "Liberalism" did never ever work in Germany, not at Hitlers time, and not in our time. And if it is not scrapped soon, the German folk will be exterminated by liberalism, not Hitler.

    National Socialism evolved in the 1890s, when Hitler was a little schoolboy. And there was a good reason why it evolved. Because already at that time, when Hitler was at primary school, the German ethnicity was under heavy attack, by jews and all its numerous other enemies. And there was only one way out, which would lead to German preservation, first, and to German liberation, second, and that was National Socialism. And this has become clearer and clearer ever since.

    The "development" since then is our insight, that what applied to the German folk especially, also applies to the other Germanic folks in general. None of them will survive the next 30 years under liberalism. Make no mistake about it.

    The difference between now and then is, that 130 years ago, one could still assume, that North America was "a new world", separated and different from Middle Europe, "the old world". But now, finally, we all realize, sense and feel that there is in fact, and indeed only "one world" for us. And in this sole one world. we, the Germanics, fight with the jew, NO MATTER WHERE WE ARE.

    May I remind you that Mr Soros was born in Hungary, not too far away from Adolf Hitlers birthplace. And Mr Morgenthau's parents came from Mannheim in southern Germany, and "migrated" to the US.

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    48 pages about something that is in essence quite simple and which several members got so unnecessarily worked up about in the distant past.

    The intentions of all the governments involved in the war for Norway are logical and hyperrealistic. If Britain was serious about winning the war (or helping Finland in its war against the Soviets) it made sense for them to make Norway a staging ground for future offensives aimed at the German heartland and to deny Germany access to Swedish iron ore by cajoling Norway into accepting British and French forces on Norse territory by simply putting them ashore. And the Germans had every reason to prevent this, so their reaction (Operation Weserübung) was completely predictable too. And Norway couldn't just accept foreign soldiers on its territory without it losing its credibility as a sovereign state, which would have been noted by the world, and that would definitely have had undesirable consequences for Norway at the negotiating table at the end of the war, regardless of who won or lost the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    I do not believe that this is the real reason why you attack Hitler all the time.
    I believe that is your problem, not mine. To reiterate: I reject national socialism because it is an un-germanic and anti-germanic ideology, which lead to the destruction, nor preservation of Germanic life. Hitler was one of the biggest mass murderers of Germanic life. I support Germanic preservation.

    But just for your information: Hitler had attended a German primary school, and a German secondary school. And in these schools, he was told, as little boy, about the greatness and the cultural superiority of the Ancient Roman Empire. Latin language was compulsory in German higher education, until 1945. This was a major flaw of the general education at that time.
    Do not disagree. Hitler himself was brainwashed. It is easier to deceive a folk that has been brought up with indoctrination and relies on the government to tell them right from wrong. Thus my opposition to totalitarianism and dogma. The Germanic folk should be raised as independent thinkers who can seek out information, access all sides of a story, and come to the conclusion themselves. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of information, freedom to homeschool Germanic children, freedom and democracy. A Germanic value.

    Meanwhile we have realized this. And we will mend our ways.
    Good.

    This is none of your business. We Germans also do not question how many McEEs and O'ys you did "anglicize". Let's rest it at that.
    Oh, please. Says the person who insulted my nation constantly and got involved in American discussion topics. Skadi is a discussion forum for all Germanics, where all Germanics can comment.

    Oh, please stop this. I think you give a damn for South Tirol. Do you even know where it is located on the map?
    Unlike certain neo-nazis and German supremacists, I do care about the fate of my Germanic brethren. So do not speak about what you do not know of.

    Not only can I locate South Tyrol on a map, I have also visited it a number of times. And what do you know, I am not obese either, do not eat at McDonalds, do not own a TV, hold two academic degrees and I speak more than one language. So keep your ridiculous generalisations about my nationality to yourself.

    I have set out in my post above, that it wasn't about "South Tirol" only, but that it was about all German territories lost after the Great War in the north, in the west, and in the south.

    And I have explained above, why Hitler did "betray" all these lands. He did so in order to avoid and prevent a new war with Britain (north), France (west), and Italy (south).
    South Tyrol was betrayed because of Hitler's camaraderie and admiration for Mussolini. Even South Tyroleans could tell you that.The Betrayal of the Tyroleans

    There is a lot to say on that. If the Russians "use" chidren for guerilla warfare -- which is against international law -- then it is glorified, and noone in US media criticizes it.
    Oh, I see, so two wrongs make a right. If other ungermanic nations make use of this anti-preservationist practice, it is even more reason to frown upon it. Neo-nazis constantly point fingers elsewhere when their Führer/ideology is criticized. The fact that other nations make such mistakes does not make it anymore acceptable.

    By the way, did you read Treasure Island by Stevenson? Or Huckleberry Finn? The boys in there were of the same age as our Hitler youth.
    I have read more books than you can imagine.

    In Treasure Island, the boy Jim Hawkins is shooting a drunken Irishman to death, in self-defence. And in 1945 some Hitler Youth of the same age were blowing up bolshevik tanks with their panzerfaust, in self-denfence.
    Please. The self-defense of a nation is not the responsibility of its children, but the responsibility of adult Germanics, who are also responsible for protecting them at most costs. Hitler enlisted children because he was running out of "war material", many racially progressive Germanics and valuable genetic material who died in vain because of Hitler's loss of touch with reality. Instead of heeding the advice of his generals and surrendering to avoid more loss of life, Hitler hid in his bunker and sent young children to the front lines. By this time the war was already lost and there was nothing Hitler could do to stop Ivan from kicking his country's doors in and vandalizing his country. It was not a question of if, but of when, and everyone with a brain on his staff knew this. Ivan was furious and with a taste for Germanic blood, and what did the Führer do? The same he did when East Prussians tried to evacuate and escape Ivan's wrath. Execute those traitors and cowards, how dare they be concerned with the preservation of their families!

    If the Americans would not have air-bombed Germany, there would have been no "flames". Because the bolsheviks didn't have four-engined bombers.

    Hitler was hoping to the last day, literally to last hours of his life, that the Anglo-Americans would come to their senses.
    Perhaps if Hitler had not declared war on the Americans, they would have considered it. May I remind you that Americans entered the war because ungermanic Mongoloids attacked Pearl Harbor and killed our folk. The USA could have entered the war much earlier if it really wanted it, but Americans had no desire to fight Hitler. Our country had already been wrecked enough from previous wars.

    This would only be condemnable if there would be "another" Germany outside National Socialism. But there is no such thing, as we see and realize today.

    None of the political parties in the FRG who are "allowed" to take part in "free elections" does address, not to mention tackle, the real problems of the German folk. And none of them ever will.

    National Socialism evolved in the 1890s, when Hitler was a little schoolboy. And there was a good reason why evolved. because already at that time, when Hitler was at primary school, the German ethnicity was under heavy attack, by jews and all it other enemies. And there was only one way out, which would lead to Germanic preservation, first, and to Germanic liberation, second, and that was National Socialism. And this has become clearer and clearer ever since.

    The difference between now and then is, that 130 years ago, one could still assume, that North America was "a new world", separated and different from Middle Europe, "the ol world". But now, finally, we all realize, sense and feel that there is in fact, and indeed only "one world" for us. And in this sole one world. we, the Germanics, fight with the jew.

    May I remind you that Mr Soros was born in Hungary, not too far away from Adolf Hitlers birthplace. And that Mr Morgenthau's parents came from Mannheim/Germany, and "migrated" to the US.
    So because a war was lost, a Germanic folk has no right to live outside of national socialism? If you believe the existence of a German folk is unworthy and they are better off dead then what are you doing on a forum for Germanic preservation? Has it ever occurred to you that the history and existence of a Germanic folk does not limit itself to a single war and ideology?

    You are not going to tell me that in the year 2017 and onwards, the answer to Germanic preservation lies in a national socialist revolution and that the Germanic folk desires a totalitarian ideology, or are you? Let us imagine, for the sake of the argument, the absurdity that the German folk, in its entirety, desires NS and that it organizes itself as such that it revolts against "the international Jew" and enacts a national socialist government, with the rise of a second Führer (who would that be by the way, you? Or another one of those from Thiazi who write ardently about what they will do once they "come to power".) What do you believe that the national socialist state of Israel and "ZOG" will do once this beeps on their radar?

    A) congratulate the Führer an invite him for a cup of tea,

    B) nothing,

    C) enact an economic and political blockade in which the population starve, place some sanctions and renounce diplomatic relationships with Nazi Germany and its citizens, creating problems for its diaspora and centers abroad, isolating Nazi Germany from the rest of the world and ultimately, sending in military troops to block the revolution,

    or

    D) drop its nukes on it, destroying millions of Germanic lives, repeating the tragic ending of WWII.

    If Germanic nationalists have any chance to preservation, then you need not only the support of a few neo-nazis, but the support of the whole Germanicdom. Instead of engaging in e-wars against other Germanics, Germanicdome must move in unison. This will not happen under the banner of NS. Even the smarter NS realize this. Germanics need to wake up, stop waiting for RaHoWa or the 4th Reich and planning world war III on discussion fora. It is of no consequence. Half of the Thiazi neo-nazi scene did not even make their beliefs public. Hiding on US fora to glorify Hitler while leading a mainstream, politically correct life is not a leading example of Germanic preservation. To preserve Germanicdom, we start by doing what we can ourselves in practice, i.e. preserving our ethnicities, cultures, languages, having Germanic families and teaching our Germanic children Germanic values, campaigning for free speech, democracy and freedom of information. Fighting the brainwashing and indoctrination of our folk starts at home.


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    I'm not going to waste anymore effort to reply to the actual discussion since the thread keeps getting closed.

    I'm only going to say one thing, to make it clear. I have no "agenda" against NS and I'm not here to spread "hate propaganda". I don't hate Germans or any Germanic ethnicity. In fact you can count the posts I made about NS on this board on the fingers of one hand! I explained my position as neutrally and objectively as I could, but I get attacked, provoked and ridiculed for it. Right, and since I'm a woman, I'm incompetent to take part to such discussions anyway. I leave you the terrain.

    My point stands: you have some German supremacists and NS on Skadi who resent other Germanic ethnicities, whether it's British, American or Scandinavian, and attacks against these ethnicities get overlooked. While if someone dares to criticize an ideology or the actions of a country in a war they're accused to be haters and all the rest. Yes, we Nords and Scandinavians are haters and very anti-Germanic because we want to preserve our autonomy, independence, ethnicity, culture, and language. So sorry, we should remedy that by allowing ourselves to be invaded and conquered by other countries.

    I'm out. Skadi is clearly not the place for proud Nords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    If someone believes that Hitler's overall record is less than exemplary, then this is their right to hold at this. If someone in particular believes that his record in Norway is problematic and could have cause more inter-Germanic strife than cohesion then they might even have a valid point.

    No one, not even to most staunchly opposed anti-NS members are saying that Hitler ate small children for breakfast. But everyone, including the most NS members, should accept the fact that he was also human, and thus capable of errors. Naturally, the more difficult the situation became the more prone someone would be to error, and he DID commit them. Sometimes a decision might even seem like but the lesser of two evils, and then be perceived as the greatest evil imaginable.

    This is actually something to hold against many current NS folks: They oft blindly worship Hitler as though he was some God. Keep it real, he's not coming back - and National Socialism itself didn't start or end with Hitler. It existed, sometimes under other names, before Hitler and yes, it will need to find a way to exist after Hitler or become obsolete as an anachronism.
    Right. Everyone has the right to an opinion.

    I am neither particularly NS nor particularly anti-NS, objectively speaking NS had both positive and negative aspects, like anything else. I neither worship nor hate Hitler. I don't buy it that he was a monster who thrived on hate and wanted to exterminate half of the world. I neither buy it that he was a god or a saint who made minor or no mistakes, and I think that anyone on either extreme end needs to take off their tinted glasses if they're really concerned with finding the truth.

    I understand why the NS consider Hitler a great person, perhaps the greatest Germanic person to ever have lived, while the non-NS have a more apathetic or even opposite view. I also understand that the NS are bothered by "anti-NS propaganda" because they've heard it all too much. There are Holocaust documentaries every week, this topic is in the media ad nauseam. I understand that they want to have a corner of the Internet where they don't have to hear about it/deal with it anymore. On the other hand, I also understand the non- and anti-NS, who are equally tired of Hitler's "worship" and "glorification" on these types of fora and want to challenge this view or believe it is counterproductive for various reasons. But we can't find the truth if we can't discuss these topics without jumping at each other's throats. This doesn't only count for NS-related discussions but also applies to other discussions. There are radical and there are non-radical Skadi members. It seems that some Skadi members believe there is no other alternative than their own and because they have become radicalized or non-radicalized over the years they believe everybody else should too.

    The NS must understand that Skadi is not a NS forum and that opposition to their ideology does not contravene the Skadi rules. It is possible to be vehemently opposed to NS yet still be a Germanic preservationist. The non-
    and anti-NS must understand the opposite is also true, one can be a convinced NS and still be a Germanic preservationist.

    I think the problem is not discussing these things but that we should try to be more objective and rise above this kindergarten level of discussion. This is how it looks to an outsider:

    A: Your country did this!

    B: But other countries also did that! Why didn't your country do this?

    A: Why did yours?

    An endless fingerpointing, descending towards ad hominems and shooting the messenger instead of dealing with the message. If you don't like the message, criticize it, refute it but don't attack the person making it. That makes yours look weak and says more about you than it does about whom you're attacking. Nobody here is the enemy. Not the NS, not the non-NS and anti-NS. Let's not alienate each other because of something that happened decades ago and which we cannot change. That's silly. Despite our differences, we are all here for the same reason. At least so I hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    The intentions of all the governments involved in the war for Norway are logical and hyperrealistic. If Britain was serious about winning the war (or helping Finland in its war against the Soviets) it made sense for them to make Norway a staging ground for future offensives aimed at the German heartland and to deny Germany access to Swedish iron ore by cajoling Norway into accepting British and French forces on Norse territory by simply putting them ashore. And the Germans had every reason to prevent this, so their reaction (Operation Weserübung) was completely predictable too. And Norway couldn't just accept foreign soldiers on its territory without it losing its credibility as a sovereign state, which would have been noted by the world, and that would definitely have had undesirable consequences for Norway at the negotiating table at the end of the war, regardless of who won or lost the war.

    It's not a debate about the moral high ground.
    Very well said. All in all, I think it is fair to blame the Norwegian pre-war government for the unfortunate outcome, having built down their defences for a long period of time, and not even having a plan in order, should an invasion occur. It was the same party in power then as it was during the post-war period who facilitated the mass-immigration beginning in the 70s.
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