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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    Second of all, I rather enjoy being inflammatory. Rather than sing the same song as the rest of the NS choir, I chose to sing to my own tune, and I can see that several Skadi members don't like people who think differently.
    We do like umpteen of people who think differently, provided they articulate themselves not only civilly but also have something to offer to the debate. For instance I even greatly enjoy many debates with a self-declared Communist, because he is usually informed and well-read and backs up his claims with sources.

    In this case, we put evidence after evidence before you, and you engage in circular arguing. As has been said, Free Speech works two ways, and the bolder a statement you make in a circle where you're going to know that you'll "sing a different song from the choir", the more you're going to face the heat.

    If you're going to say, "some Belgians" and "some German" and "some Englishman" you also shouldn't be surprised if these "some folks" don't take to you too kindly for your condescending attitude towards them. As we say here: "The manner you call into the forest, is the manner the forest calls back".

    Third of all, it's funny that you accuse me of "whining" when it was my opinions that cause people to get all emotional and fling personal insults at me in the first place.
    No, we simply find your statements are misinformed, and in some cases misrepresenting. We are fighters for the truth, so we feel an obligation to reply when someone evidently speaks half-baked nonsense.

    No one has fussed with your opinion of Norway to defend against each and every foe, but the arguments you brought against NS Germany in particular could use stronger footing, so to speak.

    It's also funny that me mentioning that my thread was closed, without being given an explanation as to why, is considered whining.
    If you disagree with a disciplinary measure, you are very free to send a member of Staff, ideally the one that dealt out the sanction, a PM and inquire. This might, if your points are well put and well argued, in fact make a change. Open complaining will be per Rule #30 simply ignored. I do expect you read the Rules before registering?

    To me, it just seems like other Skadi members are being hysterical little ninnies who faint whenever someone doesn't worship Hitler. It's better to just silence these voices, you know.
    If I was so hysterical and faint-hearted then I wouldn't be able to leave the house. There's hundreds and thousands of people in this town who don't worship Hitler, but I haven't been to hospital for fainting yet.

    Haha! Yes, you mention that you lot have free speech to disagree with me (and I agree!), but because you don't agree with my "controversial" opinion that Norway belongs to the Norwegian people and has a right to defend itself from any and all enemies, hysterical Skadi members decided to silence me by closing my thread.
    These "hysterical" members are your Mods, who use their human judgment as per the Rules. If you feel you've been treated unfairly, I've explained the procedure to you above.

    Nobody has a right to invade our country, occupy us or take away our freedoms. Nobody!
    Then where's your resistance against the current invaders?
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    Hev, nobody here says that a country has no right to defend itself and should be preservative in nature.

    We exactly work on that.

    There are ofcourse different ways to do so. (aka NS or better not). The opinion about that are diverse here. Fully fledged NS here are a small minority. Most people here who tend to NS see it with critical eyes, they are not worshippers.

    NS worked for Germany as long as it was in place. Democracy does not work for our aims as it is easily manipulated.

    As there is no real answer to how, we accept different versions (NS, American constituion, heathenry etc).

    We discuss that and for that reason we can also distinguish between an attack and a discussion.

    Not everyone is made the same way here, some are more intellectual, some are more emotional, some jump to action others are more reserved.

    To all of that there are borders and lines to not cross. They are not written down like paragraphs and need deliberations and sound judgements by the guardians of this site. I have been in conflict with them too but I accept their judgements (there isn't much you can do about it anyway beside leaving).

    nowadays we have common problems, like mass-immigrations, financial robbery by big banks, loss of culture, racial mudding and so on.


    We work on those problems and point out what is going on in other countries to see, what happens there, what do they do, what movements are there to watch to support and so on.

    There are wounds from the past which have been inflicted. And it not just Norway who has those wounds. most of us could overcome those seeing the common enemy behind it who pits our folks against each other.

    I think you problem is, that you miss to see that common enemy as you only focus on a small part, norwegian sovereignity. To see the bigger picture will give you new insights and most likely a new view on what is happening in norway right now.

    To stick to a narrow view will certainly bring you into conflict here. Attacking other people here is exactly what our common enemy has been doing since hundred if not thousands of years: pitting people against each other and rule them by that dividing.

    I think it is better to focus on the similarities and how we can deal with the current problem than to refight wars from the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    As said, Norway wasnt in a position to stay neutral from a certain point on, namely when Britain started to plan to invade Norway to rob it off its resources (we always paid for what we bought btw).
    So, then Nazi Germany invaded and robbed Norway instead? Well, that makes everything alright then?

    Selfish we certainly were, we defended our country (the duty of a nationalist), on that half the world had declared war (remember, in 1933; it wasnt in our hands either to avoid that war). Yes, how utterly selfish of us. And un-nationalistic.
    By attacking neutral countries that never attacked you? Also, if you think it's OK for Germany to defend itself, then why wasn't it OK for Norway to defend itself??? That's my entire point in this entire debate!!! Norwegians just wanted to be free and governed by their own people! We didn't accept any foreign power dictating things in our country. How is that so hard to understand?

    But no, Norway would not have fought British occupation, since your govt back then planned to allow the British occupation (so much to neutrality, see below).
    First of all, there's nothing to prove that. Second of all, even if it were true no Norwegian would want any foreign power on its soil. Third of all, any planned British occupation of Norway was Britain's fault and not Norway's fault! Finally, Norwegians had a right and a duty to resist any foreign power, no matter the circumstances!

    And then the angry people had nothing better to do than hating their own fellow people as revenge for something that already lied in the past at that point? And I'm supposed to understand that? Where is your nationalist sense? You just dont hate your own people like that as a nationalist.
    I don't hate my own people, I love them, which is why I support the Norwegian resistance against the German occupation during WWII. That's my nationalist sense! Haven't you been paying any attention to anything I've written?

    And the same people who labelled the SS volunteers "traitors" of Norway post-war today have opened the flood gates of mass immigration in whose waves your Norway will be swept away very soon. But you dont fight against these traitors, you dont even protest against them, nor against the invasion. You give your freedom away with no resistance whatsoever.

    That's our heroic super-nationalist, right?
    Collaborating with the enemy is the very definition of treason, so yes, I call the Norwegian collaborators who joined the SS traitors.

    As for the rest of your post, it's off topic and has nothing to do with WWII. I suggest you get back on topic. You people make sure to discipline me when you think I'm being off topic, so try not to be hypocrites by going off topic yourselves!

    No, because obviously, your people havent thought about who really is the enemy. It was back then and is still today the Globalists.
    I'm still holding a button on the nation that attacked my country and stripped away our freedoms and right to govern ourselves.

    And the really interesting question is why the Norwegian Government planned to allow a British occupation, with all of Scandinavia then falling under the Allied power (again, look at Britain to learn what the Allies have done to another Ally, who fought on their side, fed them, housed them, gave them bases for their war efforts, and the thanks for that were mass-rapes, violence and vandalism against the civil population; something that Germany didnt even do to France, an enemy country), which had meant of course the end of Scandinavian neutrality which Hitler had recognised*, and did not ally with Germany against the Globalists, if they were allegedly so "nationalistic"?
    I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't speak National Socialist.

    Quisling had formed his party on his own, taking the NSDAP as a blueprint. Quisling also came to Germany and asked to defend Norway against the impending British occupation, to which the Norwegian Government was open (which implies that they were not as neutral as they claimed to be). Why did he do that?
    He was a traitor and a sellout? We cured all that by executing him.

    Because he maybe understood that Germany would be the better ally, specially post-war, than the US-British side? They were internationalists back then already, so why would a real nationalist ally with them?
    Treason and nationalism are not the same thing.

    *and, although you will not understand this, one (though not the only as the ongoing war added more) of the motivations to invade Norway (again, on invitation from Quisling, against the not-so-neutral govt) was indeed to secure Scandinavian neutrality. What we wanted from Norway was a passage into the open sea (which would have been blocked entirely if Britain had occupied Norway) westwards, to keep our naval defense of our country going. We had traded ore before the war with Norway, and of course couldnt give up that trading partner either, which would have been the case if Britain would have occupied Norway, and also had cut off the trade with Sweden then.
    I call this Nazi Germany's self-serving interests, nothing less and nothing more.

    The same type of govt traitors (and stated anti-nationalists), btw, has opened the flood gates of mass immigration to Norway in whose waves your Norway will be swept away in the not so distant future. But you dont fight against them, you dont even protest against them. Your give your freedom and your country away to the Globalists with no resistance whatsoever.
    Again, you're off topic. This is a WWII-themed thread on the "History" sub-forum. Please adhere to Skadi forum rules, or I'm sure the Skadi Staff will set you straight. Thank you.

    And you seriously call yourself a "nationalist" while you praise the communist and/or pro-Globalist (govt-sanctioned) resistance? You're so close-minded by the injustice (that I dont dispute) that was done to Norway that you miss entirely the grander scheme of things.
    So, you're finally admitting that Nazi Germany's aggression towards Norway was an injustice? Finally a breakthrough!

    Quote Originally Posted by Haliaeetus View Post
    And condemning the future generations to multi-kulti and somali rapists and what not. Bravo!
    What does this have to do with Norway during WWII? Have you not read the Skadi forum rules, or do you not care about staying on topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    What does this have to do with Norway during WWII? Have you not read the Skadi forum rules, or do you not care about staying on topic?

    But it does. It´s a direct consequence of the outcome of WWII to which your commie resistance friends made a significant contribution. Thereby, glorifying them you glorify today's rape of your country and make yourself proud with that. That does not make you a nationalist but a traitor to your country, which you most certainly are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    H., you continue to confuse patriotism with nationalism on many levels - and these ideas don't have to overlap one another (like in the Spanish civil war, for example) -
    No, I know the difference between these two concepts. I defend my nation and my people as a nationalist, and as a nationalist I will always prefer a Norwegian government to a foreign one, partly because a foreign government would a) imply an attack on our nation and b) that somehow foreigners have a say in our nation and can supplant our people.

    and you seem to believe you're occupying the moral high ground, which you don't -
    How you can figure that is anyone's guess, when all I'm stating was that Norway had a right to defend itself against the German aggressor, or any other enemy.

    since NS-Germany had also the right to defend itself,
    Yes, but that doesn't include attacking a neutral country that had never attacked it.

    the supreme right of military necessity, which it excercised by launching a pre-emptive strike. The Norse are not to blame for anything, that's right. But if you don't see the German invasion for what it was, and instead view it as a German effort to annex or to enslave Norway, it becomes easy to understand why you prefer the questionable company of the old regime that fled to Britain and terrorists (and their myth-making), whom helped Stalin to invade your northernmost province, Finnmark, at the end of the war. Just imagine your resistance movement being too succesfull, you might've ended up on the other side of the iron curtain. Norway doesn't exist in a vacuum, and least of all in the vacuum of your idea of liberty.
    All I see is you bending over backwards to turn one nation's attack on another into a favour of sorts. It's not working, and your attempt to defame the Norwegian resistance and their efforts to free the people from the totalitarian fascist clutches of a Nazi German puppet dictatorship, are unsuccessful. If anything, it just motivates me even more to carry on defending my nation from the likes of you.

    That the Norse army fought against the Germans until it collapsed, is understandable and honorable, even though I think the Danish attitude towards the invasion of Denmark/Norway was the right one, and comparable to that of the Middle Eastern cities who opened up their gates for Alexander the Great.
    Sorry, I don't adhere to that defeatist mindset. My mindset when it comes to foreign invaders is this: Leave or die.

    That you symphatize with the cause of your king who fled to Norway and the street terror from the (anti-nationalist) resistance makes less sense to me, especially in the light of you calling Breivik an enemy of your nation (rather than an enemy of your ruling party or Norse democracy), and denouncing his attacks on political opponents. You don't actually believe that the Norse resistance, or any other WW2 resistance movement, only or even mostly occupied itself with military-styled action against German military targets, do you?
    I'm unclear where you want to go with this. I'm not used to think in terms of some foggy NS conspiracy.

    Correct, a mass muderer and terrorist who kills his own people in order to topple our democracy, is our enemy. And...?

    From what I recall, our brave Norwegian resistance fighters fought our enemy, the Nazi Germans. They didn't try to destroy their own country or people, like the SS traitors did by collaborating with the enemy and sending their own countrymen to concentration camps for wanting to be free and proud in their own country.

    As for the 10,262 Norwegian deaths in WW2: how many of them were the victims of German aggression, and how many were killed by allied bombing, the 'resistance' and cross-fire?
    I don't have all the numbers memorised.



    Unelected? Elected? Does it matter? Not to me, I don't believe in liberal democracy.
    Well, I'm sure there are places for your sort. I hear Somalia has no liberal democracy. Sounds like paradise.

    Elections are a political afterthought at best, and they serve a particular regime, which usually comes in power after initiating some sort of revolution or violence or by co-operating with foreign invaders - or by infiltrating the state, a fresh start for a nation is virtually never achieved through the ballot system. Your current regime, for instance, was reinstalled by the allies through war. And it is in reality a puppet of Washington, a state within America's sphere of influence. Such is the fate of smaller or weaker nations in sensitive geographical locations - to be dominated, and there are benefits and drawbacks to a fate like that.
    Sorry to disappoint you, but our government in exile were chosen by the people, unlike the fascist puppet farce your idol Adolf installed without our wish in this country.

    Smaller nations can still choose the 'big friend' they want though, and I prefer Berlin over Paris any day, for obvious reasons. The Serbs for their part prefer Moscow over Washington and Brussels. What I try to illustrate is that Norway is part of an interconnected world, and one has to take this simple reality into account or believe in a fairytale about one's nation existing on Mars, with dangerous consequences, as we learned from this thread.
    Sorry, but Norwegians don't choose to go with their enemy. If you want to get on our good side, then don't f***ing invade us. Just a tip.

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    Firstly Hevneren, I would advise you to read the comment posted by Ocko quite carefully. It puts across numerous valid points which I believe you have either ignored or misread in previous posts.

    I could be wrong, but it appears that you associate the National Socialist ideology with the German occupation of Norway, and I think you're also trying to suggest that attempts were made to 'Germanify' Norway, which is ofcourse nonsense.

    At that time Norway had no chance what so ever of repelling the German occupation, but at least the motives behind the occupation were good. The reason behind to occupation were:

    1) To prevent the British from occupying Norway, therefore making it much more difficult for the British to make a direct attack on German soil.

    2) To 'plant a seed' in Norway, which would lead to the preservation of Norwegian traditions.

    You do realise that the occupation of Norway was just a temporary measure. The Germans had no intention to keep their troops in there for the full 1,000 year life span of the Reich.

    If the British had got to Norway before the Germans, I can asure you that Oslo today would be like downtown Islamabad. You must remember that if we had taken Norway, our plans for you would have had a far more detrimental affect on your nation, your people and your traditions.

    I now suggest that instead of acting like a twirp you begin to listen to what people have to say instead of discounting everything just for the sake of it. If you really believe so strongly about the preservation of your nation, you wouldn't be picking arguements with people. In addition to this, Goomer, why are you cheering this chap on by 'thanking' his posts? The last thing he needs in encouragement (mental help, perhaps, but not encouragement).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    By attacking neutral countries that never attacked you?
    Your country was not neutral.

    Your govt agreed to British occupation, which would have been THE END OF NORWEGIAN NEUTRALITY - and of Swedish neutrality too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    Also, if you think it's OK for Germany to defend itself, then why wasn't it OK for Norway to defend itself???
    Because Norway defended itself against the wrong side.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    We didn't accept any foreign power dictating things in our country. How is that so hard to understand?
    Aha, thats why today EU, NATO, UN, Human Rights and whoever else tell you what to do and what not and no one objects, right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    First of all, there's nothing to prove that.
    Hersir, a fellow Norwegian, pointed out that your king was married to an English lady. This alone disputes Norway's "neutrality".

    Second:
    In December Raeder also came into contact with Vidkun Quisling, the leader of the Norwegian National Union Party (Nasjonal Samling) modeled on the German Nazi Party. The National Union Party was small and had little influence in Norwegian politics; but Quisling, who had served as Norwegian Minister of War in the early 1930's, claimed to have well-placed contacts in the Norwegian Government and the Army. He was also a protege of Reichsleiter Alfred Rosenberg, head of the Foreign Political Office of the Nazi Party. With Rosenberg's support he had attempted, without much success, in the summer of 1939 to drum up interest in a German occupation of Norway. In Raeder he found a receptive listener, and at their first meeting, on 11 December, he told him that the danger of a British occupation of Norway was great and he maintained that the Norwegian Government had already secretly agreed to permit such an occupation. The National Union Party, he suggested, was in a position to forestall the British move by placing the necessary bases at the disposal of the German armed forces. In the coastal area men in important positions had already been bought for the purpose, but a change in Germany's attitude was absolutely necessary since months of negotiations with Rosenberg had not produced the desired results.

    On the next day Raeder recounted these statements to Hitler and took the occasion to review the pros and cons of an operation in Norway. Quisling, he said, had made a trustworthy impression but had to be dealt with cautiously since he might only be attempting to further his own interests. A British occupation of Norway, in Raeder's opinion, would be intolerable because Sweden would then come entirely under British influence, the war would be carried into the Baltic, and German naval warfare would be completely disrupted in the Atlantic and the North Sea.
    http://www.history.army.mil/books/70-7_02.htm



    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    Finally, Norwegians had a right and a duty to resist any foreign power, no matter the circumstances!
    But you dont

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    Collaborating with the enemy is the very definition of treason, so yes, I call the Norwegian collaborators who joined the SS traitors.
    Weirdly enough, you dont call the collaborators with Britain and the Allies traitors.

    So you condemn one foreign power over Norway while praising the other foreign power over Norway.

    You dont make sense at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    I'm still holding a button on the nation that attacked my country and stripped away our freedoms and right to govern ourselves.
    You worship those who delivered your country to the globalist cause.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren
    So, you're finally admitting that Nazi Germany's aggression towards Norway was an injustice?
    No, I just admit that war always causes injustices.

    Our "injustice" against Norway was to prevent Norwegian injustice against Sweden and Denmark, by dragging them through Norway's treason under British influence. Which would have made Norway and all of Scandinavia enemies of Germany.

    We had no interest in destroying Scandinavia, which would have been an inevitable result though if Britain had occupied it and had provoked naval and probably land battles there too. So actually, German occupation prevented that Scandinavia became a major battle ground for a war with which Scandinavia essentially had nothing to do and thus far greater injustice than a short term "suppression". It was your govt's intention to allow British occupation which made that step necessary. If Norway had stayed reliably neutral as promised, this would have never happened.

    Actions have consequences. And when you start acting as an enemy, you dont have to really wonder why you are treated as enemy. It's just cause and effect.

    It's really not so difficult to understand.

    Since you say yourself that the defense of your own country is justified under each and every circumstance and by each and every means, the occupation of Norway was a necessity of the defense of Germany. You certainly will understand that, right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    Exactly, I wonder how much this says about those "nationalist resistance fighters" extrapolating back. As for the Norwegian SS volunteers. They weren't many, since the requirements for admission were
    pretty high. Looking at their insignia, symbols and proceedings. It's easy to disprove the myth of the Norwegian flag being banned:






    Some Sources:
    http://www.waffen-ss.no/Frw-Legion-Norwegen-english.htm
    http://axis101.bizland.com/NorwegianStamps.htm
    http://www.sannhistorie.net/WssNorge.htm
    http://www.frontkjemper.com
























    The SS traitors are not the common civilian population. The civilian population couldn't openly wear any national symbols. As Hersir mentioned, they were driven to wear a paper clip to show national unity in the face of the occupation by the German enemy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Indeed. Norway might have been "neutral" just as Sweden was "neutral", but even neutral countries make judgements about the outside world and consider themselves as being closer with some countries than with others. These sentiments are then translated into greater or lesser cooperation and communication between these countries

    The Swedish-German ties were pronounced and firmly established during the first half of the 20th century and they served us well during this period. I wonder whether Norway had a similar relationship with Great Britain since Norwegian independence from Sweden in 1905 and onwards. That would make it understandable if Norwegian neutrality was being questioned by the Germans, once Great Britain had instigated yet another war on Germany.
    If you may recall, Britain attacked us during the Napoleonic War, because we were a part of a "union" with Denmark, who'd sided with Napoleon. After we got rid of Sweden, I think we just wanted to be left on our own without more foreign meddling and "unions".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    Norway had never attacked Nazi Germany, prior to their dastardly attack on my sovereign nation. Don't spread more of your NS lies.
    Don't try to put words in my mouth. And perhaps start learning concepts like neutral, pseudoneutral, passive, hostile, aggressive in the like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    I'm not the one who roots for the losing team. I think it's rather clear who is and has been underperforming. Sad your idol is six feet under and Norwegian patriots turned dear old uncle Adolf's a-bomb programme into a joke?
    You are underperforming so lowly that you even didn't realise what I was refering, too. Besides that, there was no serious intent by Adolf Hitler to use nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction, which he had actually at his disposal. Those whiners and freeloaders should actually be grateful that he refrained from using it on them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    ...
    Aren't you confusing this with the Altmark incident? Anyway, if you'd like to discuss this further, you'd have to open a thread on "Norway in WW2". They came ashore and were treated here due to some injuries, I believe.
    I also know of the mines in our waters.
    You need to know more about editing your posts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    No, since those of us who can read maps know that Norway isn't Britain, Nazi Germany would've had a case to invade Britain, but not Norway. It wasn't Norway's fault that a feeble-minded, syphilitic megalomaniac like Hitler had created so many enemies that nations were mining every coastline they could access.
    Again a straw man paired up with some infantile insults towards a historical personality. If a country allows another one to use it's air space or waters against another one it is at war with, that other country is certainly allowed to draw conclusions and act accordingly.

    Just a thought, if Norway isn't Britain why did the Norwegian goverment pen their tents in London?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    It's spelled "baloney", and given that you just accused me of "underperforming", it's quite amusing that you can't even master entry level English. I know that the failed National Socialist drivel of losers like uncle Adolf has made your mind feeble, but please do try to make yourself understood.
    I spelt it like that for a reason and it's quite amusing that you were not able to see the pun.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    Here's what I found:
    http://www.fofo.no/Sj%C3%B8folkene+p%C3%A5+krigshavet.b7C_w 7rOZm.ips

    Translated, the above sentence states (pertaining to the Norwegian merchent fleet):
    It's merchant fleet and I suppose there was no pun. But your lack of English is certainly forgivable....
    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    "Already before April 9 1940 58 ships were lost through acts of war [krigsforlis can't be accurately translated], and 376 crew members and 16 passengers lost their lives."
    Now that's funny! And far more interesting then making mistakes in English. You, as a native Norwegian, grown up in Norway, don't know a good translation of krigsforlis? I knew immediately what it meant (war loss, war wreckage), since the Afrikaans equivalent is krygsverlies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    So, it wasn't 500 people as I stated (I grant you that much), but rather 392 Norwegians killed before April 9, 1940.
    But your source doesn't mention how they did loose their lives. It's you that insinuates that it must have been the Germans, about whom you imply that they hadn't proper reason to do so. What if the wessels were sunk by the British Navy (which was far bigger then the German naval forces)? Or alternatively, if it were Norwegians in the service of the British?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    The SS traitors are not the common civilian population. The civilian population couldn't openly wear any national symbols. As Hersir mentioned, they were driven to wear a paper clip to show national unity in the face of the occupation by the German enemy.
    I haven't seen any verifyable proof of this. Not even Norwegian history sites mention it. Just a few articles and their it sounds a bit like a - perhaps widely believed - urban legend. The pictures of Norwegian flags, symbols, banners, stamps etc. clearly show that there was no general ban. However it is reasonable to assume that an occupational force will work against any effort opposing them no matter what is used in them.

    And just for your information: You perhaps owe the fact that you can write here to those you cowardly call SS traitors.
    I used to have a Norwegian friend here in SA with whom I extensively discussed history. What he said matches what Lew says. About 5 % of the Norwegian population was pro-German, 5% pro-British/anti-German and the rest didn't care that much about it. 6000 volunteers in the SS is still a lot for a relatively small nation as Norway.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    Norway would not have been free anyway, no matter how heroic their fight would have been. It was either germanic or zionist control.
    Wrong. Your tragically warped mind can't comprehend that my people for for their own nation, their own families, their own homes, and not for some grand NS pipe dream in Berlin. We don't accept any power occupying us, and it doesn't matter who that foreign power is. Period, end of story.

    Now as the zionist won, Norway is under zionist control like any other contry on the european continent.
    I know that people like yourself are like a broken record stuck on your defeatist, "I am the victim!" mindset, so it's hard for you to discuss something without blaming the Jews for our troubles and everything that goes wrong, rather that seeing that the world isn't like a 1930's propaganda poster. There are nuances, and you need to wake up and take responsibility of where your country is today, and try to find solutions rather than whining and making victims of yourselves.

    As the norwegian fought against the german army supposedly for their freedom (though I guess many of them might have been stooges or deliberately fighting against Germany on behalf of the zionist banksters). the question is what is Norway doing now for their freedoms? Where are the resistance fighters? Nowhere in sight. Where are the battles the fighting?
    That's right, our brave Norwegian resistance fought against the German aggressors, for our nation's freedom. That's the historical version, but I know you prefer the twisted NS version, where the poor, innocent Germans felt so threatened by the evil, vicious Norwegians that they just had to attack us in order to survive! It just makes you want to cry!

    It is very clear, that the fighters against German occupation were not really nationalist but fighters for zionist interests (who financed them?). the same as the 'rebels' you see in Libya today.
    I wonder how many times you can cram the word "Zionist" into your post? Does repeating that word make you feel better somehow? Does it reaffirm that you're just a poor, helpless victim of those mean old Joos? Oh, boohoo!

    Do you have any other justifications for Nazi Germany's dastardly attack on a peaceful and neutral Norway, and their subsequent move to strip Norwegians of their rights to govern themselves and be proud and free in their own country?

    My understanding is that we have a common enemy, who destroys our lands today. What we need is unity against them. People who call for separatism are on the side of zionist banksters. As Hev stated he doesn't believe the 'zionism conspiracy' and is against NS, the only ones who stood up to the jewish banksters it is clear to me that he is not Norwegian but a Jew (ethnically or politically), trying to damage the opposition against his zionist overlords or brainwashers.
    I don't know whether to find this tragic or hilarious. Maybe it's both? Yes, my opposition to Norway being attacked and occupied by Nazi Germany during WWII supposedly makes me a Zionist Jew now. You must be doing (il)logical cartwheels in your mind to come up with such a convoluted, conspiratory and ludicrous assumption? Now I see why National Socialism is such a shining example all over the world, as a victorious beacon for humanity to fo... oh wait!

    As he is single minded on one issue and on one issue only it is more than obvious.
    Yes, I mean it's obvious! Not wanting your nation to be overrun and occupied by another nation, clearly makes you a Jew! I mean, there just can't be any other explanation!

    *sighs*

    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    This is quite true, Hersir, but I think the picture being presented by one poster in particular is that Norway was perfectly neutral with no allegiances whatsoever and in nobody's sphere of influence. Then, right out of the blue, it was attacked by an enemy nation for absolutely no reason.

    History is a little more complex than that, and this is what some of us have been trying (so far, in vain) to point out
    If Britain was the one that Nazi germany was worried about, well, then... ATTACK BRITAIN! You do realise that Norway and Britain are not the same country, right?

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