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    Post Re: What was the best WWII army for you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes_Pontikos
    The Hellenic Army was the bravest.

    http://www.army.gr/n/e/archive/events/1940.html
    This is what allies thought about Greek fighters:
    "The morale of the Greek Army throughout has been of the highest, and our own naval and land successes at Tarento and in the Western Desert have done much to maintain it. With relatively poor armaments and the minimum of equipment and modern facilities they have driven back or captured superior Italian forces more frequently than not at the point of the bayonet. The modern Greeks have thus shown that they are not unworthy of the ancient tradition of their country and that they, like their distant forbears, are prepared to fight against odds to maintain their freedom."

    British Minister reported to Foreign Secretary Eden.

    But more importand is what enemies think of you:
    Hitler himself made the following comment in Reichstag speech at May 4 1941:

    "For the sake of historical truth,I have to declare that among all of our opponents,only the Greeks fought with such endless courage and absolute defiance for death".
    Hitler ordered that all the surrendering Hellenic forces should return to their camps fully armed,in recognition for their bravery.

    A few comments about WWII:
    Germans had the best army:They almost won a war against the rest of the world.
    Germans,Japanese,Polish,Greeks,Serbs,Rus sians were the bravest soldier.(not a particular order)
    The war won/lost by allies/axis in the Eastern front because of the willing of Russians to sacrifice in millions,although British gave their best and fought well.USA entered the war a bit late...
    Italian army had lost the one on one war with Greece.Not only they were forced to retreat from Greek lands but they were losing half of Albania when Hitler decided to help.

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    Post Re: What was the best WWII army for you ?

    Ofcourse the hellenic was very brave.The only army that Hitler didn't take prisoners and allowed Greek soldiers to return home!But ''thanks'' to his majesty King George(Rot In Hell) and Mussolini Greeks fought at the wrong side!
    For me the best army was Wermacht ofcourse!
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    Post Re: What was the best WWII army for you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by PRINCE EUGEN
    But ''thanks'' to his majesty King George(Rot In Hell) and Mussolini Greeks fought at the wrong side!
    The Greeks fought on the right side, i.e., the Greek side against the enemies and invaders of Greece.

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    There is no doubt that the only two contestants are the Red Army and the German Army. The German Army was obviously qualitatively superior. This is especially true of the Waffen SS and I don't think this point can be seriously challegned. However, the Russian Army had some things going for it which made it feared then and now. For instance, the Red Army had no real supply lines. The soldiers were expected to live off the land. The real Red Army began their offensive in Moscow and Stalingrad and pushed their was westward without the kind of logistics associtated with a modern army. This means that by the time they got to Berlin, they were very hard bastards (no insult intended). Of course, so were the Germans by this time but not so much by design as by necessity.

    One more thing. Something should be said about the Hitler Youth who defended Breslau and Berlin. They fought with new tactics and a new spirit which stunned the battle-hard Red Army. Leaders of the Hilter Youth were flown from Breslau (surrounded by this time) to Berlin to spearhead the defense. These Hitler Jugend (HJ) told the Wehrmacht to leave Berlin since they were "defeatist" in the eyes of the HJ. These kids halted or slowed the Red Army, tanks, rocket launchers, hardened soldiers---all of that. The Soviets had as many as 2 million soldiers for the final push into Berlin. They lost anywhere between 100,000 to 300,000 men--nobody in authority will give a final figure. The Wehrmacht had 100,000, so the big manpower figure for the Germans was the HJ. These children died defending their country and should be acknowledged for the heros they were.

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    Post Re: What was the best WWII army for you ?

    I would have to agree with those who chose the Germany Army. The Wehrmacht was the best army in WWII history in terms of combat experience, quality of training, execution of tactics, and motivation. The Versailles Treaty only allowed Germany 100.000 men. Secretly, Germany turned its army into a highly trained officer corps and rearmed itself to the teeth. The Germans were effective because they clearly understood that the key to success on the battlefield was training. Some of the basic ideas behind the German training programs were initiative and speed. The harsh criticism helped soldiers to better themselves and there were learning programs for students. The Americans thought training was complete after the initial training but the Germans saw it as a long-lasting and never-ending process. The motto of the German General Staff was "Mehr sein als scheinen", "Be more than you appear to be." Unlike the American Army, the German Wehrmacht had a long-standing professional officer korps that had experience going back to the Franco-Prussian War (1871). The Germans had pioneered many of the modern tactics used in WWII. These tactics are still practiced today by other armies (e.g. the Americans' attempt of a Blitzkrieg). One wonders what would have happened if Germany hadn't been up against so many opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    As for being outnumbered, have a look at this map:

    Pink = Axis
    Green = Allies
    Yellow = Traitors



    This is a very mis-leading map.


    Most of the world was on the Allied side purely on paper in order to later have no difficulty in joining the U.N. (like Argentina, and many others, which are shown as "Allies" on your map). These countries should not really be counted - their real contributions to the Allied war effort were often non-existent.


    Hungary - never changed sides.

    Finland - changed side, but its contribution to the Allied cause was marginal.

    Italy - never fully changed sides, as there as the R.S.I. (Salo Republic).




    In other words, things were much more even than this map shows.




    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    There is no doubt that the only two contestants are the Red Army and the German Army. The German Army was obviously qualitatively superior. This is especially true of the Waffen SS and I don't think this point can be seriously challegned. However, the Russian Army had some things going for it which made it feared then and now. For instance, the Red Army had no real supply lines. The soldiers were expected to live off the land. The real Red Army began their offensive in Moscow and Stalingrad and pushed their was westward without the kind of logistics associtated with a modern army. This means that by the time they got to Berlin, they were very hard bastards (no insult intended). Of course, so were the Germans by this time but not so much by design as by necessity.

    One more thing. Something should be said about the Hitler Youth who defended Breslau and Berlin. They fought with new tactics and a new spirit which stunned the battle-hard Red Army. Leaders of the Hilter Youth were flown from Breslau (surrounded by this time) to Berlin to spearhead the defense. These Hitler Jugend (HJ) told the Wehrmacht to leave Berlin since they were "defeatist" in the eyes of the HJ. These kids halted or slowed the Red Army, tanks, rocket launchers, hardened soldiers---all of that. The Soviets had as many as 2 million soldiers for the final push into Berlin. They lost anywhere between 100,000 to 300,000 men--nobody in authority will give a final figure. The Wehrmacht had 100,000, so the big manpower figure for the Germans was the HJ. These children died defending their country and should be acknowledged for the heros they were.




    Putting the propaganda crap aside, the Soviets presumably lost about 85 000 killed in the Battle for Berlin.
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    Lightbulb Re: AW: What was the best WWII army for you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Of Ossetia
    This is a very mis-leading map.


    Most of the world was on the Allied side purely on paper in order to later have no difficulty in joining the U.N. (like Argentina, and many others, which are shown as "Allies" on your map). These countries should not really be counted - their real contributions to the Allied war effort were often non-existent.


    Hungary - never changed sides.

    Finland - changed side, but its contribution to the Allied cause was marginal.

    Italy - never fully changed sides, as there as the R.S.I. (Salo Republic).




    In other words, things were much more even than this map shows.









    By the way, the map posted by Zyklop also fails to take into account that the Germans had lots of collaborators in many of the occupied areas.


    This made things much more even, even more so.




    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

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    Post Re: What was the best WWII army for you ?

    The US was the best in WWII. Three reasons : Patton, M1 Garand, P-51

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    Post Re: What was the best WWII army for you ?

    Well...any army with Patton would be be the best!! That guy kicked so many ass!!

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