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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    But then how are we supposed to preserve our National integrity and character? Isn't our heritage something worth consideration?
    Assimilation is their demonstration of respect/regard for the national culture. At least in America, where I'm from, "national integrity and character" are cultural rather than racial, seeing as America is a conglomeration of different racial groups (though most of them white) under a common culture (except for those who haven't assimilated).

    To simply kick the Muslims out of Europe is a completely unrealistic goal - globalization is here and the era of the Reconquista is long gone. That give us three distinct choices:
    1. Exist in a tense state in which majority and minority cultures are distinct and pitted against one another
    2. Allow Western culture to be dominated by Muslim culture
    3. Encourage assimilation and promote the decline of the influence of Islam in Western lands whose values are incompatible with Muslim law and culture

    Think what you will, but I believe the third option is the most viable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    Assimilation is their demonstration of respect/regard for the national culture. At least in America, where I'm from, "national integrity and character" are cultural rather than racial, seeing as America is a conglomeration of different racial groups (though most of them white) under a common culture (except for those who haven't assimilated).
    I do not think that assimilation is necessary for respect, whatever that is taken to mean. But, anyhow, I think that you underestimate the power of identity and the degree to which that is built on a shared heritage. The Amerindians have not assimilated, or even integrated, after 300, 200 or 100 years (however you want to count) of living in a White man's world, nor have the Negroes.

    Further, mandated assimilation would fall under the definition of genocide:

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    To simply kick the Muslims out of Europe is a completely unrealistic goal - globalization is here and the era of the Reconquista is long gone. That give us three distinct choices:
    I do not buy the "end of history" argument, nor that there are no alternatives. There always are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    To simply kick the Muslims out of Europe is a completely unrealistic goal [...]
    So was landing on the moon. If we only stay positive and determined, we can achieve to most marvelous of feats.

    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    [...] globalization is here and the era of the Reconquista is long gone.
    That's to say - globalization, in a demographic sense, is here, and only here, in the Western World. The rest of the World is largely spared by this "unstopable progression", for some reason. I have yet to see a single, legit argument of why we should keep it up, simply "because it's here".

    And you're wrong about the era of Reconquista being gone. It is well and alive in both Europe and America, namely in the form of islamic imperialism and reconquista of Aztlan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    To simply kick the Muslims out of Europe is a completely unrealistic goal.
    Muslim countries would probably be very reluctant to receive millions of Muslims from Europe and would demand huge compensations. There will be no easy and, dare I say, peaceful solutions to this.

    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    Encourage assimilation and promote the decline of the influence of Islam in Western lands whose values are incompatible with Muslim law and culture
    As someone who grew up in an area that over a few decades became populated with predominantly Middle Eastern immigrants, I can assure you that they will never assimilate. Generally speaking, my experience tells me that 2nd and even 3rd generation Muslim immigrants are less integrated than their parents and are extremely hostile towards Western culture and way of life.
    Furthermore, assimilation of Non-Western immigrants is counterproductive in terms of Germanic preservation and should not be an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skjalm hvide View Post
    Muslim countries would probably be very reluctant to receive millions of Muslims from Europe and would demand huge compensations. There will be no easy and, dare I say, peaceful solutions to this.
    I am sure that if Europe stopped pumping food and medical aid into Africa's already inflated populations, which the Africans would never be able to sustain on their own, there would be enough money to pay the damn muzzies what they want to take their own kind back. No price can be to high...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God
    The demographics is what it all boils down to. If Europes 50 million Muslims turns into 200 million in 2 generations and then into 400 million as they are set to do, then all indications are that it will be the end of European parliamentary democracy and the beginning of Sharia.
    While I agree that the demographic forecast is important to have in mind, in regards to ALL immigrants not just Muslims, Muslims are a special case.

    Historically, nations became Muslim long before they reached even near factual ethnic majority. I've posted a timeline elsewhere once, cant remember all the details, but:

    5% means they will demand (and get) "minority rights"
    10% means they exercise already active political power

    Somewhen between 15 and 20% they will dominate politics (as is already the case in England for example, and Germany* is heading in the same direction). Latest with 25%, but often long before that, they reach sole dominance and make the state Muslim. Including all the nasty details that follow this act by necessity: force the population to convert and kill those who refuse to do so.

    England does nothing against the 3 independent emirates created in some cities. Most people dont even take that serious, they laugh about it and think this is not possible, after all it's England with laws and stuff. It's a very dangerous naivety. These emirates will grow, natives who happen to live within these emirates will convert within a few years to Islam, meanwhile more such emirates will pop up. They simply dont care about that it is England, it is no longer. It's a de facto Muslim mini-state with Sharia law as the only law applying there.

    Essentially all these so-called "no-go zones" like Rosengård, districts in Cph, Amsterdam, Frankfurt etc are de facto under Muslim rule, with or without official declaration of independent emirates. It is dangerous to underestimate how Muslim rule is established. And to believe that they'd need a majority to do so. They dont. No nation in history ever became Muslim through majority. None. And it is utterly naive to believe that Europe would be an exception to that rule.

    Quite the opposite. Europe throws rights and money behind them, we finance Islam Studies in universities which are majority white courses done by confused Cultural Marxists who try to better understand them, the result will be that at least 80% will be Muslim at the end of their study.

    I've seen a docu lately about the troubles of integrating them (and know many such examples), and in schools and districts where Muslim (of immigrant background) make up a significant minority (it's perfectly enough to be 10 or 15%) they dominate everything, and what's more, the girls of native background convert voluntary to Islam because it offers them protection, shifting the structures further. The growing up generation of the native population converts at alarming speed to Islam, it's long ceased to be a "demographic" problem alone.

    In the 60s and 70s, converts were about 200-300 a year, mostly of single individuals who chose a Muslim as partner. Since the mid 90s, the rate of converts exceeds 3000 a year and has an increasing trend. Imho this doesnt count in the school converts, because pupils under 18 or not in a job are not registered seperately from their parents, to convert is's enough to say 3 times I'm Muslim before witnesses, no papers, no registrations, not even a formal need to exit church registers. The number of Muslim converts is simply not known and may well be more than 10000 a year.

    Germany used to be a somewhat special case (*) in this, until '89/'90 we had a Leitkultur and nonsense like Islam studies or even much publicity simply didnt exist. West Germany needed to be strong because it was the bulwark against the Communist East. Since the '90s though this all changed. Suddenly "Islam belongs to Germany", we got the formerly unknown "multikult" (ie everyone can do how he pleases which wasnt the case before where it was expected of them to function properly, not that all did, but the most), etc. It's still a somewhat special case, our Constitution Protection Agency watches all the "Culture Centers" and Imams and sometimes even dissolves them. In general there used to be much more pressure on them to conform (which is rapidly erroding though).

    However, it is this which used to hinder the normal process of Islamification, Germany is well beyond 10% Muslim. With the recent encouragement by German politicians to participate in politics, Merkel's force installment of Islam Studies in universities etc this pressure is gone and we'll experience a rapid catch up of the normal process. Which, as said, is not a demographic problem in the sense that they'd need anything near majority status to take over. If Muslims reach 25%, the process is irreversible.

    Unless we grow some balls and kick them out and put the converts in brainwash centers to cleanse them off the nonsense in their heads again and start promoting our own culture with massive discrimination against all minorities and force-reverse the process on all levels.

    If we dont, Europe will at large be Muslim in 10 years. Latest.
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    If we dont, Europe will at large be Muslim in 10 years. Latest.
    With out going to war, blood shed, bearing arms or any kind of rejection from our behalf.

    Simply they 'Muslims' walk in and took the land away from 'us' natives Europeans.

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    The western world is in dire straits at this moment in time. In Europe and North America muslims and third world nations in Africa and elsewhere are taking more importance than here in our own countries and our own people. Things like "we have to fight aids in Africa,or we have to fight malaria in Asia "and on and on. Meanwhile our own great society's of culture are being destroyed and rotted from the inside by making our own people fell worthless and made to fell guilty of so called past sins of western history. Here in the United States with African slaves or native Indians, we are reminded everyday by these liberal feelgood and dogooders of society to constantly appologize for misdeeds that we were mind you never around in our lives to see or witness for ourselves. I can't do nothing for the trail of tears or wounded knee incidents or slaves picking cotton in southern fields. But we are reminded everday which saps strength out of us and makes us not capable of what we were able to accomplish as a people as in the past. It has to be the same in Europe for supposed transgressions which people are to forced to be reminded everday by liberal dogooders. History is history, today is in the present and the question is how to build ourselves back up as a nation and race and a people to overcome these obstacles and that is all they are obstacles. Obstacles can be removed and should be removed or we are doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    Assimilation is their demonstration of respect/regard for the national culture. At least in America, where I'm from, "national integrity and character" are cultural rather than racial,
    In Europe this used to be the other way round. And Europe will die on this desease. As does America actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    ... seeing as America is a conglomeration of different racial groups (though most of them white) under a common culture (except for those who haven't assimilated).
    America was fine as long as it was European. Or more specific, Germanic European. The white groups that didnt (and never will) assimilate are Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans.

    And here comes why: Culture is an Ethnic, a genetic product. Just as you cannot change the color of your skin, you cannot change your culture. It is not exchangeable. This is America's great sin to believe otherwise.


    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    To simply kick the Muslims out of Europe is a completely unrealistic goal - globalization is here and the era of the Reconquista is long gone.
    It's a question of Will. If there's a Will to make Europe ethnically homogenous again there will be ways to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    That give us three distinct choices:
    1. Exist in a tense state in which majority and minority cultures are distinct and pitted against one another
    2. Allow Western culture to be dominated by Muslim culture
    3. Encourage assimilation and promote the decline of the influence of Islam in Western lands whose values are incompatible with Muslim law and culture

    Think what you will, but I believe the third option is the most viable.
    Cultures cannot coexist. Whatever phantasies politicians spouse to happy coexistence and tolerance and all the other cultural-marxist bullshit, this is not how it works.

    Cultures in order to exist at all need homogenity. No homogenity = no culture. The "west" long ceased to have a "culture", the "west" is signified by its lack of culture (in America more than in Europe until recently). Culture is something that sets a frame of commonly accepted rules, social taboos and expectations, the infrastructure of society itself and many more details which all have in common to define limits. These then make up Culture.

    The "west" has developed an illusion that those limits - that is Culture - are the enemy of "individual freedom". Since the 18th century the ideology of Liberalism errodes Culture, because everyone feels discriminated. The sentiment against each and every rule, the Tschandala revenge on Culture itself, has produced a society that no longer possesses any form of immune system against organised onslaughts. And they came, in the form of the French Revolution, of the Revolutions of 1848, of Capitalism, Communism, Cultural Marxism, ever more rampant individualism, the anti-social behavior and "instincts" exalted to the epitome of "humanness".


    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    1. Exist in a tense state in which majority and minority cultures are distinct and pitted against one another
    There is no such thing in the west as a "culture", as such the population adhering to "western culture" (which is a distinct lack of culture) will be wiped off by the in-fights between all other so-called minority cultures until one of them wins and takes control. And it will not be "western".

    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    2. Allow Western culture to be dominated by Muslim culture
    Which would make the west immediately Muslim.

    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    3. Encourage assimilation and promote the decline of the influence of Islam in Western lands whose values are incompatible with Muslim law and culture
    The west would be assimilated into Islam, not vice versa. Because the west is "tolerant" and "world open" and throws its rights behind "minorities" and prides itself with "individualism". Muslims do on the other hand possess group cohesion. Which makes the direction of asssimilation inevitably Muslim, not "western".

    And what's more, see Neophyte's comment, it is GENOCIDE. Mandated genocide through the retarded (anti-)"value"-system the west has. The group will always win over individuals who not only not possess any group cohesion, but who are conditioned to identify group cohesion with negative things, like "right-wing", "racist" and what not.


    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    Think what you will, but I believe the third option is the most viable.
    Ethnicities / Cultures cannot coexist. They will always thrive to become dominant. And only the west, with its retarded "liberalism", is so stupid to grand minorities rights. Rights are always privileges. There is no such thing as "same rights" or equality. There's a will to dominate or you lose and will be wiped off.

    Reconquista is the only way to go. The sooner the west understands that, the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    In Europe this used to be the other way round. And Europe will die on this desease. As does America actually.



    America was fine as long as it was European. Or more specific, Germanic European. The white groups that didnt (and never will) assimilate are Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans.
    They've assimilated just fine in my community....and America grew to be considered the most powerful country in the world following World War II. How, then, did America come to power? Perhaps it was because it was producing the most technologically advanced war equipment in factories run by Southern and Eastern Europeans and because Jewish scientists helped develop the nuclear bomb. These sub-groups put their energy into the American war cause, and eventually became a part of American culture themselves.

    And here comes why: Culture is an Ethnic, a genetic product. Just as you cannot change the color of your skin, you cannot change your culture. It is not exchangeable. This is America's great sin to believe otherwise.
    Have you heard of "Lost German Chicago"? Chicago used to have a vivid German district of German immigrants and their families who still lived unassimilated, speaking the German language, until the US went to war against Germany in WWI. Then, practically overnight, fearing persecution, the German-Americans started speaking English and living as the typical American wood, and much of Chicago's German heritage was quickly lost, despite that lots and lots of people around here are of German descent. Culture can be lost, especially over generations. African-Americans, for example, have lost their African heritage - they don't speak African languages and look different from black Africans, who tend to have leaner limbs and darker skin.




    It's a question of Will. If there's a Will to make Europe ethnically homogenous again there will be ways to do so.
    What do you suggest? Genocide? War?

    In a nuclear age, if Europe goes to war with all of Islam, the Germanic race stands the threat of near-total destruction. European countries, especially Germany, have still not recovered completely from WWI. Cities are still under construction, undergoing renovations and restorations. Another great war would lead all that to be destroyed again, and both Europe and the Middle East left once again to rebuild out of ashes. This fate should be avoided.

    Cultures cannot coexist. Whatever phantasies politicians spouse to happy coexistence and tolerance and all the other cultural-marxist bullshit, this is not how it works.
    When I said that I was in favor of the assimilation of Muslims, I was implying that Muslim and Western culture, indeed, could not coexist.

    Cultures in order to exist at all need homogenity. No homogenity = no culture. The "west" long ceased to have a "culture", the "west" is signified by its lack of culture (in America more than in Europe until recently). Culture is something that sets a frame of commonly accepted rules, social taboos and expectations, the infrastructure of society itself and many more details which all have in common to define limits. These then make up Culture.
    I contend that America does have its own culture, which can be found in American culture's annoying permeation into Europe. American culture is based on American law and America's ideals of individualism and consumerism. American songs about getting rich and partying can be heard on European radios, and American clothes bought in European stores. American culture is at its strongest (although most obnoxious) ever. Europe is losing its culture because it's caving to the cultural practices of Americans and Muslims. And yet, there's still an English culture, a German culture, a French culture, etc. As long as national stereotypes (e.g. all Germans are punctual and efficient) exist, it shows a presence of a distinct culture.

    The "west" has developed an illusion that those limits - that is Culture - are the enemy of "individual freedom". Since the 18th century the ideology of Liberalism errodes Culture, because everyone feels discriminated. The sentiment against each and every rule, the Tschandala revenge on Culture itself, has produced a society that no longer possesses any form of immune system against organised onslaughts. And they came, in the form of the French Revolution, of the Revolutions of 1848, of Capitalism, Communism, Cultural Marxism, ever more rampant individualism, the anti-social behavior and "instincts" exalted to the epitome of "humanness".
    The individualism became a part of the culture itself. Americans pride themselves on individualism, and yet they almost all follow the same American Dream and have the same ideals, except for the ones who don't speak the English language or live in neighborhoods of un-assimilated immigrants.

    This same phenomenon of individualists in certain countries acting in predictable ways is present in most European countries. Here's a link to an article about a study in which Germans are shown to act in similar ways:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/25/germany



    There is no such thing in the west as a "culture", as such the population adhering to "western culture" (which is a distinct lack of culture) will be wiped off by the in-fights between all other so-called minority cultures until one of them wins and takes control. And it will not be "western".



    Which would make the west immediately Muslim.
    See above - the West and specific Western countries do have a culture, one that is not always immediately visible to those who have grown up in it because it's accepted as a given.



    The west would be assimilated into Islam, not vice versa. Because the west is "tolerant" and "world open" and throws its rights behind "minorities" and prides itself with "individualism". Muslims do on the other hand possess group cohesion. Which makes the direction of asssimilation inevitably Muslim, not "western".

    And what's more, see Neophyte's comment, it is GENOCIDE. Mandated genocide through the retarded (anti-)"value"-system the west has. The group will always win over individuals who not only not possess any group cohesion, but who are conditioned to identify group cohesion with negative things, like "right-wing", "racist" and what not.


    Ethnicities / Cultures cannot coexist. They will always thrive to become dominant. And only the west, with its retarded "liberalism", is so stupid to grand minorities rights. Rights are always privileges. There is no such thing as "same rights" or equality. There's a will to dominate or you lose and will be wiped off.

    Reconquista is the only way to go. The sooner the west understands that, the better.
    Assimilation is not coexistence - rather, it is the nonviolent domination of the majority culture over the minority culture.

    The world is too globalized for Reconquista to not cause destructive war. It worked in Spain because Spain was relatively isolated at the time.
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