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    Gods As Archetypes

    How many here actually think the gods are ONLY archetypes and why/how do they function. And if you view them as archetypes AND real individual living entities, same questions.


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    I will try to answer your questions KveldulfR..

    If they are only archetypes they don't so much function as they are functions of our inborn natures and that is why..

    If they are archetypes and real individual living entities they are functions of our inborn natures personified into autonomous beings..probably because the subject and object is the same and it can be confusing..

    Other than that, I think there are many more ways to look at divinity than just those two. Many things of this nature would like to make a whole. Being at one with one's Self is one thing..being one among many and knowing us all is another. I see something great in the differentiation of polytheism myself..

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    I think Archetype.

    I just don't literally view them as existing as deities. Perhaps ancient heroes, perhaps cultural creations, valuable in any case.
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    As Odin blew his Odem into his human creation they are for sure also in us as 'archetype'.

    It is the interpretation of CG Jung who was a psychologist. He expanded the borders of Psychilogy but shied away to move into religion. that would have destroyed his reputation, his scientific limits made him avoid to look also aoutside of the human.

    The idea that humans are an enclosed entities with 'spiritual'-tight borders is a simple dogma and not true at all. Humans are open for spiritual beings and therefore they ALSO live in humans and their behavior is part of us.
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    archtypes awakening

    In the anti matter worlds of the cosmic space exist energies which vibrate at their own frequency of vibration these worlds are the anti matter worlds of resonance which are linked to the gods and goddess of our Nordic Norse pantheon. When Odin and Loddur, Honir dismembered Ymir they created all the worlds seen and unseen. These worlds unseen we call dream spirit worlds. At this point in there existence the gods/goddesses are linked to all the elements in nature which the three gods allocated to lesser gods/goddesses to rule. When it comes to us we are also guided by the valkerie which are the messengers from Odin in our dreams which contact our astral hamr dream 'I' when we receive these messages they are visions and messages we should act upon. And the inherited king Valkerie works as a mediator between the various descending valkerie from the planets carrying messages to the King Flygia Valkerie. The ancestral inherited valkerie carry the inherent characteristics of the gods/ and goddesses themselves within us, which lay dormant awaiting to be awakened when we so seek and acknowledge them living within us.

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    I think it is and can be a combination of both.

    But only along the lines that we are created by Aliens. So that should put it into perspective.

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    The "gods" are archetypes of our mind as we try to organize the imagery we gather from our sense perceptions of nature. The "gods" are merely archetpyes that we use to try to personalize nature, and to find self in nature. Nature is the "gods" and the "gods" are the variant dispositions and mechanisms within nature. This connection with nature and the anthromorphizing of nature is important in understanding the "gods" as archetypes.


    The "gods" represent an ideal self, which should ground its framework in an organic oriented collective spirit. That is the "gods" should reflect their various ethereal energies through the organic collection of a people as they attempt to relate with self and identity in the depths of nature. This is why blood-mixing with non-Germanic types endangers the Germanics identity of self in nature, and the capacity to connect with it.


    It is only the Germanic which has been able to contemplate self in nature in the most sublime of manners. They do not contemplate themselves as merely a passive or submissive vessel of the teleological forces of nature, which are random, but as masters of these forces. Its the Germanic duty to master these forces, and the ethereal energies of nature into self, which takes an act of self-mastery.


    This act of self-mastery allows the Germanic to become that which he personalizes in the form and symbol of archetypes of nature. Its through his rational and military spirit that he reaches the height of his humanity, and allows himself to manifest the maximum potentiality of the holistic self.


    Race-mixing leads to a promiscous nature, which denies the Germanic to show his self-mastery, which is critical to maintaining identity in nature in abstract, and to maintain the bond of self with his organic collective whole. In his personalizing and anthromorphizing of the natural archetypes and symbols the honorable and heroic man should see himself acting within the organic collective, and for its preservation.

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    I agree with allot of you when we hit this subject and dont at certain points.

    I believe the Gods are archetypes ("Folk-soul", a more Germanic way of saying it) individually, representing their own unique virtue for us to interpret and take example of, but I dont think their archetypes are all identical and represent the same thing, if it did then we are dealing with Monotheism then. I dont believe that the Gods are a mere facet of Odin (like some say or believe), all the Gods are independent entities representing their uniqueness. This archetype subject is not only a mental aspect, but within our Soul too, more deeper and un-explainable. On the physical aspect of the Gods, they represent what they do in Nature with divinity, this means they can be physical at their own will, here and there and everywhere. We are related to the Gods through blood, so we have a chance to achieve spiritual Godliness by following a path of righteousness by using the their example and interpreting their mystery.

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    For me they are both. The belief in our true gods means total devotion to our race and to the fight. True leaders have some kind of divine spark in their soul, so Odin and the other gods can be seen through them.

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    The Gods have certain energies, one can share that with them. They have a different individuality though. Through their sharing of energies one can evolve and join them in their respective places.

    Whether these energies have an individuality one cannot answer by belief or philosophy. It is to verify positively or you do not know at all because you can not falsify.

    As the experience is not subject to the senses, people who say only what the senses perceive is real will miss this point.

    the experience is on a mythical/soul level, if you do not live there you wil not 'see' the Gods.

    Gods have an effect, for example on the weather, one could say that what has an effect must exist, therefore Gods exist.

    It is basically on which level one lives.

    When one does a ritual one shifts ones level and then when one calls upon the Gods they will make themselves noticeable on the soul level.

    On a physical/psychological level one may perceive them as an abstract, an archetype.

    When you want to 'see' the Gods you have to switch to their level (or at least above the everyday level). The soul has also organs of perceptions but only in seed form, they have to be developed. as long as they are not developed the perception of the Gods is hazy/fuzzy but with increasing exposure the perception increases.

    One cannot take the Christian experience of God (or more precise the non-experience of God) as a template of experience for the heathen Gods. Our Gods are real and want people of our race working with them.

    The Archetypes are only shadows of the Gods. It is their influence from a higher level to a physical/psychological level.
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