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    "Judeo-Christianity": A Modernist Invention


    Since the end of the Second World War we have been bombarded from all sides with references to the West’s “Judeo-Christian religion,” and “our Judeo-Christian heritage.” Politicians regularly invoke these principles, and even religious leaders trumpet the phrase as if it were a self-evident truth. So sacrosanct is this concept, that even secular leaders make appeals to it. In fact, in America, Judeo-Christianity is nearly secular, and almost always mentioned alongside concepts such as liberty, equality, and democracy – themselves purely concepts which are secular in nature.

    In the secular realm, even liberal atheists can make appeals to “the West’s Judeo-Christian roots”. They can never precisely name what these roots and values are, and in fact some liberals go so far as to say that things which are inherently anti-Christian are a part of that tradition based on a flawed understanding of Christian Scripture. However, we know that truth is not relative. It does not change depending on the speaker, and hence there must be something deeply flawed with the way that Judeo-Christianity is presented or how it is implemented by the elites.

    There is no such religion as Judeo-Christianity. Judaism is a religion which is wholly independent of Christianity, and was in fact a rejection of Jesus Christ as the Messiah. The Talmud, Judaism’s second holiest book, refers to Jesus and his mother Mary in unequivocally harsh language, calling him a false teacher, and preaching hate against all Christians. Of course, in modern times, there are few Jews, and even fewer Christians who know about the Talmud, but the sentiment of Talmudism is present at the highest levels of Jewish leadership.

    It is true that Judaism and Christianity share the “Old Testament”. However, the interpretations of the Old Testament differ greatly between Christians and Jews. Furthermore, according to Justin Martyr, the purpose of Christ’s ministry was to restore true religion and to denounce the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. Consequently, Judaism establishes itself, as being inimical and opposed to Christianity from the very beginning, and diverged in that direction for the subsequent two centuries.

    Thomas Aquinas, writing in the 13th century, believed that the moral precepts in the Bible predate Creation, being that they are established by God. Other precepts are ceremonial and judicial, and were established in the time of Moses, for a specific people and a specific time (in this case, the Ancient Hebrews). Accordingly, upon the coming of Christ they were not binding to non-Hebrews who converted to Christianity, because the New Covenant established through Christ is the instrument through which God offers mercy and atonement to mankind.

    The anti-Christian nature of modern Judaism is one which Jewish scholars themselves are in agreement on. This very prominent and defining aspect of Judaism, is in fact what defines it as a religion. But it is more than a theological disagreement which defines Judaism as separate, and Judeo-Christianity to be an ahistorical concept. Joseph Klausner, in his book, “Jesus of Nazareth” expressed the Judaic viewpoint that Christ’s teachings were “…irreconcilable with the spirit of Judaism.” Gershon Mamlak, a Zionist intellectual once claimed that Christianity is “in direct conflict to Judaism’s role as the Chosen people.” Jewish writer Joshua J. Adler admits that, “The differences between Christianity and Judaism are much more than merely believing in whether the messiah already appeared or is still expected.”

    If one takes the view that the religions of the world are in fact separate revelations of the Divine, through which man learns of a higher reality, then it follows that the diabolical attempts to distort, revise or eliminate these unique, ancient and divinely ordained patterns would be a grave error. The constant, politically motivated ideals to the imaginary entity of “Judeo-Christianity” are fully anti-traditional, because of its ultra-modernist theology. The fact is that Judeo-Christianity, given the voluminous history of anti-Christian attitudes by Jewish leaders and lay people alike, would not be viable had it not been secular in the first place.

    Since the concept of Judeo-Christianity is invalid religiously speaking, it fulfills other purposes. In a world were political allegiances have replaced confessions of faith, Judeo-Christianity precisely fills the role of a secular cult. The purpose of such a cult is in fact to de-Christianize Christians. The people who invented the concept predicted that, after the failure of the Soviet Union to enforce atheism, forcibly removing religion would be impossible. However, by ostensibly appealing to a number of Christian ideas, and slowly inverting them, they could achieve their goal. The role of Judeo-Christianity as a purely secular motivator is the reflection of the fact that one may be a considered “Jew” by birth even if he is not religious. It then proceeds from this that “secularism” is not, in fact, the enemy of Judeo-Christianity, but its mirror image. After all, if Judeo-Christianity is the kernel of Western civilization, there is no way that any society in the West can properly be identified as belonging to or being governed by Christian doctrines.

    For Americans and other Western Europeans, one of the roles of propping up the term “Judeo-Christianity” is to integrate Jews into mainline of society, perhaps in an attempt to mitigate accusations against them of being usurpers of Western work ethic. In some ways, history once again speaks against this. From Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud to Leon Trotsky and the neo-conservatives of today, the politico-social movements which have gnawed away at what was once a Christian Europe were, in a large part, lead and organized by people who identified as Jewish.

    The Jewish “core” of “Judeo-Christianity” can be seen through the attitude of modern Protestant churches towards Israel. In return, Christianity, or its secularized, institutionalized form, has become acceptable enough for the Jews to consider Christians (once their enemies) as allies. Under “Judeo-Christian” doctrine, the Jews reclaimed their status as the “chosen people” and so-called “Christian” Zionists began to sing the praises of Israel. It is this belief which ascribes holiness to the state Israel. This in itself is perhaps as an outgrowth the other bizarre Judeo-Christian “belief” of Shoahism. For this reason Judeo-Christianity is all to easily used by its by the leaders of Israel, to carry out a political agenda that favours that foreign political state over and ahead of the interests of America, or their fellow Christians. AIPAC and many American businessmen have profit interests in war and campaigned for new wars as a matter of business, but it is the Judeo-Christians who have added fuel to the fire.

    Ultimately, the so-called Judeo-Christian values are ultimately another manifestation of modernism and militant secularism. They are an outgrowth of a doctrine which is needed not to improve oneself through the adherence to divine guidance, but a dogma which has created the modern societies.

    [Source] Ridingthetiger.org

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    Come now skadi, surely there's some objection to this

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    The way I see it. Since the beginnings of Modernism the Church has rejected the sayings of Jesus like " you are the children of your father the devil" and began preaching an I am ok you are ok theology that tries to combine judaism and Christinaity. Look at Pope John Paul II and his constant references to the jews as "our elder brothers in the faith" . I would like to see the reaction of any of the Jewish leaders of Christs time being told they were "elder brothers" to Christianity. Anyway this has led to an attempt to make it seem as though Christianity came out of Judaism when in fact it was a revolt against it. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Nibelung View Post
    The way I see it. Since the beginnings of Modernism the Church has rejected the sayings of Jesus like " you are the children of your father the devil" and began preaching an I am ok you are ok theology that tries to combine judaism and Christinaity. Look at Pope John Paul II and his constant references to the jews as "our elder brothers in the faith" . I would like to see the reaction of any of the Jewish leaders of Christs time being told they were "elder brothers" to Christianity. Anyway this has led to an attempt to make it seem as though Christianity came out of Judaism when in fact it was a revolt against it. IMO
    This is sort of correct and sort of incorrect. I think the truth is a little more complex.
    Lets use a little easier to understand example. Like say current Politics.

    Lets say you have an upstart group that takes over say US Constitutional Law and converts it into a Multicultural Document. Then lest say you have reactionary’s that remember what the document was and its original intent.
    Lets Call them the Tea Party.

    Well it is obvious to see then conflict. Even though the dudes wearing the robes and preaching the law have the official trappings of the offices, they are still lying to the people in the name of supporting their own version of the truth.

    So in that case the Tea Party is both a conservative group, and a liberal group at the same time.

    Can you see where I'm going with this? The NT harshly criticizes the "Jews" because it sees them as turncoats and traders. It seems the "Gentiles" as largely ignorant and "Not Responsible for their Actions".

    But once Christianity disseminates a few generations then there are other political issues come into play. And therefor each Germanic King is attempting to gain some sort of favour so they use it as a weapon to beat the other guy down, even though there is nothing specifically related to their conflict and the bible.

    Every Idiot thinks he is divine and that God will back him in every fight. Unfortunately that is not the way the real world works. But every idiot is right in his own eyes.

    If this makes since.

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    To be honest someone who says Christianity has nothing to do with Jewish religion is pretty much off.

    even Jesus himself (as long as you belief he really existed) said that he did not come to change but to fulfill. He was a Semite (the word Jew was not used then) and obviously was only concerned about Jews and their 'salvation'. He was a Rabbi, trained in the temple, 'discussing' with the priests at the age of supposedly 6.

    He rejected to heal people who were not Jewish 'noli me tangere' - do not touch me he told the non-Jewish woman. a typical thing for a Rabbi who beliefs that non-Jews are animals.

    In the end he did not fight the Sanhedrin but agreed to their laws, knowing he had broken them.

    where did Jesus say what he tried to accomplished was not for Jews but for other nations?

    Nowhere did he say so.

    Judeo-Christian is there for not necessary to say because Christianity means already judeo in it's core.

    Heathenry is different than that what is written in the bible. (How much Christians actually follow the bible is another question). the bible is Jewish and has been written for Jews. It has nothing to do with germanics. It is about the Jewish expectation of a saviour and the split among Jews who believed thatJesus was their Saviour and others who did not belief so.

    Later, when it became clear, that the Messias Plot did not work with Jews. His followers allegedly looked somewhere else for 'believers'. Their trick was to convert the non-Jews into Jews before they were accepted as Christians. Which means people who are Christians are Jews.

    Christianity later corrupted Germanic kings who then killed their own kin (as demanded in the bible) who did not want to become Jews.


    Jesus nowhere says his message is for non-Jews
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    To be honest someone who says Christianity has nothing to do with Jewish religion is pretty much off.

    even Jesus himself (as long as you belief he really existed) said that he did not come to change but to fulfill. He was a Semite (the word Jew was not used then) and obviously was only concerned about Jews and their 'salvation'. He was a Rabbi, trained in the temple, 'discussing' with the priests at the age of supposedly 6.

    He rejected to heal people who were not Jewish 'noli me tangere' - do not touch me he told the non-Jewish woman. a typical thing for a Rabbi who beliefs that non-Jews are animals.

    In the end he did not fight the Sanhedrin but agreed to their laws, knowing he had broken them.

    where did Jesus say what he tried to accomplished was not for Jews but for other nations?

    Nowhere did he say so.

    Judeo-Christian is there for not necessary to say because Christianity means already judeo in it's core.

    Heathenry is different than that what is written in the bible. (How much Christians actually follow the bible is another question). the bible is Jewish and has been written for Jews. It has nothing to do with germanics. It is about the Jewish expectation of a saviour and the split among Jews who believed thatJesus was their Saviour and others who did not belief so.

    Later, when it became clear, that the Messias Plot did not work with Jews. His followers allegedly looked somewhere else for 'believers'. Their trick was to convert the non-Jews into Jews before they were accepted as Christians. Which means people who are Christians are Jews.

    Christianity later corrupted Germanic kings who then killed their own kin (as demanded in the bible) who did not want to become Jews.


    Jesus nowhere says his message is for non-Jews
    The thing is, when people who have never read the Bible try to lecture on it, it's immediately obvious how little they actually know. Remember that for next time.
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    There is awesome writing on this topic in a book called "On Being A Pagan" by Alain DeBenoist. He exposes christianity and breaks down how the West has become the new Israel through christianity. As in, the West displaced Israel as "the chosen" and somehow forced itself into that role. Christian anti-semitism was born from the christian claim to have supplanted judaism, to have fulfilled it and given it it's true meaning. By setting itself up as the new Israel, the West has recognized a factual if not legal jurisdiction over itself by Judaism (Jews).
    Christianity is a dirty, rotten plague. It is the sole reason for our current position and for our total desperation for survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Walter View Post
    By setting itself up as the new Israel, the West has recognized a factual if not legal jurisdiction over itself by Judaism (Jews).
    Even ignoring the historical mistakes, that makes no sense at all even from a purely logical point of view. If Christians reject the Jews as the chosen people, and believe themselves the new Israel, how then would that give Jews power? By your own claim, Christians rejected the idea that Jews have any special role.

    Christianity is a dirty, rotten plague. It is the sole reason for our current position and for our total desperation for survival.
    Those Christians that conquered the world, created modern science, gave us the industrial, agricultural, and technological revolutions are enitrely responsible for the anti-Christian cultural Marxists that now control the western world?

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    Nowadays no scientist of accomplishment is Christian. To the contrary most are not Christian, beside being it nominally.

    Science was never Christian that is the reason, Christianity felt threatened by science and tried to control it through the control of the university, where the priests had their 'political commissars' to spy oneople.

    It was germanics who advanced science (or had to reconstruct it because of the destruction by Christianity).

    After they broke the shackles of Christianity they advanced in big leaps in lockstep with industrialization. ( which also de heist Anissa quickly).

    It was Germanic ingenuity which brought science forward. and science today, especially quantum physics is pretty much anti Christian. (not to talk about Biology).

    If it were Christianity then everywhere where Christianity is you would find science advancement, from Somalia to the Phillipines. Which you do jot see, ergo it is not Christianity which created science and further it but Germanic racial features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    To be honest someone who says Christianity has nothing to do with Jewish religion is pretty much off.
    Christianity is the successor to the Hebrew prophetic tradition. What we currently know as "Judaism" is a false tradition invented by the Pharisees for their own convenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    said that he did not come to change but to fulfill
    Correct, but this doesn't mean what you think it means. The point is that the law of Moses is a valid expression of righteousness, but the Messiah is here and there is no more need for it; therefore, it is fulfilled, brought to a close, finished. If he changed the law of Moses, the implication would be that it was never valid in the first place, which would be nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    He was a Rabbi, trained in the temple, 'discussing' with the priests at the age of supposedly 6.
    Yes, he was showing up corrupt officials in their own temple at the tender age of six. He later returned to cleanse that temple of their filth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    (the word Jew was not used then)
    The word in the Greek is "Iudaeos".

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    He rejected to heal people who were not Jewish 'noli me tangere' - do not touch me he told the non-Jewish woman. a typical thing for a Rabbi who beliefs that non-Jews are animals.
    He said that to Mary Magdalene when she met him after the resurrection. She was Jewish by ethnicity and was not in need of healing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    In the end he did not fight the Sanhedrin but agreed to their laws, knowing he had broken them.
    To prove the point that the Sanhedrin was powerless before God even if granted the ability to do whatever it wanted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    where did Jesus say what he tried to accomplished was not for Jews but for other nations?

    Nowhere did he say so.
    You're implying that metaphysical statements can apply to only one ethnicity. If you can't see the problem here, there's not much I can do for you.
    Last edited by Juthunge; Wednesday, February 22nd, 2012 at 06:10 PM. Reason: 3. Mockery is not permitted.

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