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    Baroness Warsi Speaks Up for Christianity!

    On 13 February 2012, Tory Party Chair, Baroness Warsi, said this in The Telegraph:

    FAITH HAS BEEN NEGLECTED, UNDERMINED – AND YES, EVEN ATTACKED – BY GOVERNMENTS IN RECENT YEARS...

    I will be arguing for Europe to become more confident and more comfortable in its Christianity… THE SOCIETIES WE LIVE IN, THE CULTURES WE HAVE CREATED, THE VALUES WE HOLD AND THE THINGS WE FIGHT FOR ALL STEM FROM CENTURIES OF DISCUSSION, DISSENT AND BELIEF IN CHRISTIANITY.

    THESE VALUES SHINE THROUGH OUR POLITICS, OUR PUBLIC LIFE, OUR CULTURE, OUR ECONOMICS, OUR LANGUAGE AND OUR ARCHITECTURE…

    My fear today is that A MILITANT SECULARISATION IS TAKING HOLD OF OUR SOCIETIES… It seems astonishing to me that those who wrote the European Constitution made no mention of God or Christianity. When I denounced this tendency two days before the Holy Father’s State Visit in September 2010, saying that government should ‘do God,’ I received countless messages of support. The overwhelming message was: ‘At last someone has said it .’

    That so many people felt moved to write showed just how uneasy they were at the rising tide of secularism.

    For me, one of the most worrying aspects about this militant secularisation is that at its core and in its instincts IT IS DEEPLY INTOLERANT. IT DEMONSTRATES SIMILAR TRAITS TO TOTALITARIAN REGIMES – DENYING PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO A RELIGIOUS IDENTITY… That’s why IN THE 20TH CENTURY, ONE OF THE FIRST ACTS OF TOTALITARIAN REGIMES WAS THE TARGETING OF ORGANISED RELIGION.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...for-faith.html

    For Sayeeda Warsi to speak out thus on behalf of Christianity is both commendable and, frankly, easy.

    Every now and again up pops a non-indigenous type to say what we all think when our own elite folk daren't or don't want to. Excuse the cynicism but this IS a way THEY have of reinforcing the ‘foreigner cares more for you than your own’ message.

    However, there is something else going on here. Warsi’s generosity towards Christianity comes at a barely disguised price. Quid pro quo: if she speaks up for our religion, we must tolerate hers!

    In the article, she also says:

    Today I have the honour of leading the largest ministerial delegation from the United Kingdom to the Vatican.
    Globalism and the Multicult in all its glory. Cameron chooses a Muslim to represent the UK in its dealings with the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Same old, same old.

    She continues:

    To create a more just society, people need to feel stronger in their religious identities and more confident in their creeds. In practice this means individuals not diluting their faiths and nations not denying their religious heritages.
    That would be ALL religious IDs, creeds and faiths, I’m guessing. Not just the Christian.

    We see (militant secularism) in any number of things: when signs of religion cannot be displayed or worn in government buildings; when states won’t fund faith schools; and where religion is sidelined, marginalised and downgraded in the public sphere.
    Christianity suffers much more in this regard than Islam but ‘religion’ and ‘faith’ cover all the bases, don’t they?

    Now she really gets down to it:

    When we look at the deep distrust between some communities today, there is no doubt that FAITH HAS A KEY ROLE TO PLAY IN BRIDGING THESE DIVIDES. If people understand that ACCEPTING A PERSON OF ANOTHER FAITH ISN’T A THREAT TO THEIR OWN, THEY CAN UNITE IN FIGHTING BIGOTRY AND WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE A MORE JUST WORLD.
    And everything will be unutterably fab in the happy-clappy, Multicult wonderland of tomorrow!

    Can anyone remember the last time a politican argued for a multicultural China? Or India, Pakistan or Iran? For sure, different religions are practiced in those countries (friction thus abides) but no one is ever going to suggest the Chinese Commies should get together with their Buddhist neighbours to create 'a more just world.' Nor will anyone ever demand that the Hindus hug their Untouchable chums. And any talking head who implored the Israeli Jew and the Alabama Christian to 'unite' with the Pakistani and Iranian Muslim in some universal, religious sisterhood would, doubtless, be sectioned.

    Oh, no, Sayeeda's 'faith'-based unity is intended for Western Man alone.

    All the major religions ask their followers to stand up for their neighbours. Doing so doesn’t make you less of a Christian, less of a Jew, less of a Muslim – it makes you more of one.
    So, come on, you Christian Brits, stand up the for the Jews and Muslims who live next door!

    Both of whom hate your guts.

    Unlike Sayeeda, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Jack Straw, the Milibands, Trevor Philips, Diane Abbott and all the other Jewish, Muslim and assorted BME politicians and media darlings who determine our future.

    PS. A few years back the second-generation immigrant Muslim who chairs the Tory Party was saying that BNP members, 99.9 percent of whom would be native Brits, should 'get off OUR island!'

    Which non-'accepting' demand was, I would have thought, guaranteed to inspire 'deep distrust' in the hearts and minds of those whose 'divides' she wants bridged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironwand View Post
    On 13 February 2012, Tory Party Chair, Baroness Warsi, said this in The Telegraph:



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...for-faith.html



    Every now and again up pops a non-indigenous type to say what we all think when our own elite folk daren't or don't want to. Excuse the cynicism but this IS a way THEY have of reinforcing the ‘foreigner cares more for you than your own’ message.
    Ton quote an old saying but with a slightly different slant............beware of Muslims bearing bulls**t.

    Secularism will be the undoing of this and every other Northern White European Country, because of the ever growing numbers of incomers to our lands are Muslim, they will take full advantage of a Country that hast lost its roots as we can see by what is going on around us today. This comment comes from [me] who is not in any way Religious but recognises that we are what we are today is in some way because of a Christian influence and its values etc'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gormsgast
    Secularism will be the undoing of this and every other Northern White European Country, because of the ever growing numbers of incomers to our lands are Muslim
    Why not just kick out all the foreigners and combat multikultism? But nah, never mind, the indigenous just need more "faith" in their rampant individualism to be able to tolerate the scum of the world
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    How predictable of a muslim MP to dictate to us that atheism is a threat. Islam (and more particularly extremist islam) is the threat to Britain. Atheism is the light of truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Why not just kick out all the foreigners and combat multikultism? But nah, never mind, the indigenous just need more "faith" in their rampant individualism to be able to tolerate the scum of the world
    As we say in the english speaking world....I am all ears! Whats the plan?

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    Why are "Baroness" and "Warsi" in the same sentence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Why not just kick out all the foreigners and combat multikultism? But nah, never mind, the indigenous just need more "faith" in their rampant individualism to be able to tolerate the scum of the world
    Well we can't have that. It's not fair! How dare natives want their country to themselves?
    Proud to be Germanic.

    Even though my ancestry is English, Germany is my favorite country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gormsgast View Post
    Ton quote an old saying but with a slightly different slant............beware of Muslims bearing bulls**t.

    Secularism will be the undoing of this and every other Northern White European Country, because of the ever growing numbers of incomers to our lands are Muslim, they will take full advantage of a Country that hast lost its roots as we can see by what is going on around us today. This comment comes from [me] who is not in any way Religious but recognises that we are what we are today is in some way because of a Christian influence and its values etc'.
    Muslims are not separate from the teeming mass of foreignness contaminating Europe. It's the repressed racist blockheads who at once set them apart for special scrutiny and extend to the rest an invitation to become 'one of us' against the culture-destroying Mohammedans. These people are a perfect product of the wimpy and confused society they affect to be valiantly defending. Lacking any template for conveying their perfectly warranted and natural revulsion for Muslims that isn't explicitly verboten in 'legitimate' political discourse, they channel it into this bunkum culture-crusader act and dutifully assume the whole sweep of related conceits for which they've seen the rest of their substandard brethren put forward a half-baked case. Arguing for our need to strengthen our religious culture in order to repel Muslims as if with a great big Jesus-scented forcefield is just one of these. Throwing your lot in with these people annuls any ethnocentric fancy you might have, so you might as well convert to Judaism, order a Thai bride and adopt an Ethiopian baby while you're at it.

    It's time for people to quit waffling on about 'fighting Islam'. It's an embarrassing nod to the dearth of critical thinking in nationalist circles.

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    Can't they all be put into Gettos until a good and proper "SOLUTION" can be set up for them. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prodeutsch View Post
    As we say in the english speaking world....I am all ears! Whats the plan?
    Well, kick out the foreigners, that's the plan

    Unfortunately, as things stand, the nationalists are the declared arch enemies of the establishment, so there's a way to go


    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Why are "Baroness" and "Warsi" in the same sentence?
    Because members of the House of Lords are made "nobility". Unfortunately, there's no rule baring non-English from such a title, and so you find a lot of Jews, Muslims and other foreigners in the HoL, telling the British how to tolerate them. The joys of democrazy
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