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    What sets Danes apart from other Germanic Peoples?

    What sets Danes apart from other Germanic people's? Whats special about them? Is there some characteristic (or characteristics) they are known for more than other Germanics?

    How powerful has Denmark been in the historical terms compared to other Germanic countries?

    Are Danes considered Norse? I hear them referred to in that way alot but I thought Norse meant Norwegian?

    Also, it seems that when speaking of Vikings, the Danes are mentioned as much as the Norwegians? Why is that? I was under the impression that there were many Danish Vikings?

    Alot of questions I know, but i'm just curious. Any answer i get will be appreciated.

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    Denmark pretty much started European vexillology & a lot of its heraldry. It was one of the more imperial of the north Germanic (what is meant by 'norse' loosely, though older Norwegian is "norse" strictly) nations, at one time or another being in control of both Sweden & Norway. Many of the anglo-saxon tribes that made up England originated from Denmark. It has quite a colorful past actually.

    Politically it may have more far flung / far reaching implications on the present conditions of the Germanic nations of northern Europe than any other. e.g. their Germanic type distribution of their racial situation etc

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    Denmark is comprised of the Jutland peninsula,and islands such as Fyn and Sjaeland, as well as 500 smaller islands. In the 10th century it became a unified state, with archeological evidence to suggest that Royal power was centered on Jutland. Toward the end of the 8th century, there are references to Danish Kings specifically as powerfull opponents to Charlemagne etc in the ''Frankish Annals.''

    What we now know as Denmark was pretty much the ''heartland'' of Viking activity. Many Vikings in fact were referred to as simply ''Danes,'' to the extent that Norwegian Vikings to the irish were ''white Danes'' and Danish Vikings were ''black Danes.'' Also, it was the Danes who conquered England, and set up the Danelaw there. Plus the Normans were mainly of Danish stock.

    Denmark is more heavily ''Cro Magnid'' than the other scandinavian Nations, with the ''Borreby'' sub Race as more frequent than in Norway and Sweden (according to what i have read on various websites) -Finland by the way is not apart of scandinavia, although it is a ''nordic'' Nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Saxon View Post
    Plus the Normans were mainly of Danish stock.
    Historians are still trying to figure this one out. Some claim mainly Norwegians, some claim mainly Danes, and other claim that it was most likely pretty equal.
    Please don't confuse the terms "nordid" and "nordic".

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    England was named after the Angles (AEngle-land), from Angln in Denmark.
    But the Angles were not Danes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granraude View Post
    Historians are still trying to figure this one out. Some claim mainly Norwegians, some claim mainly Danes, and other claim that it was most likely pretty equal.
    Well yea but the Christian authors used to refer to them as pagans and ''Danes.'' Plus, i think its prolly likely that Denmark -being the first to be organized as a society- had the most influence in Viking activities, which obviously includes Normans.

    I hear the Normans had alot of Frankish blood also. I guess its all pretty similar when you are talking about germanics, which is exactly why its so tough to make out who is who in regards to genetic input.

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    Denmark is comprised of the Jutland peninsula,and islands such as Fyn and Sjaeland, as well as 500 smaller islands. In the 10th century it became a unified state, with archeological evidence to suggest that Royal power was centered on Jutland. Toward the end of the 8th century, there are references to Danish Kings specifically as powerfull opponents to Charlemagne etc in the ''Frankish Annals.
    Could also mention that Denmark in the viking age, or any of the scandinavian countries for that matter, geographically didnt look as they do today. Permanent borders came more recently.

    They were an island race, and therefore had portions of eastern Norway, and Swedens West coast along with parts of Great Britain, France and Germany. For instants Skåne which they had for over 600 years.


    During the 16-1700s their power went in a downward spiral, and Sweden took over as the powehouse. Some even claim that all these defeats in "recent" history has lead to them being the happiest people on earth. Not being occupied by thoughts of grand conquest and power, but instead accepting and appreciating what they have. As a sidenote, Denmark has, unlike Norway or Sweden, taken a different approach with the leftist/liberal 1968 "intellectuals". As a result, it has been tougher on islam and less political polarization than Nor/Swe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Saxon View Post
    Denmark is comprised of the Jutland peninsula,and islands such as Fyn and Sjaeland, as well as 500 smaller islands. In the 10th century it became a unified state, with archeological evidence to suggest that Royal power was centered on Jutland. Toward the end of the 8th century, there are references to Danish Kings specifically as powerfull opponents to Charlemagne etc in the ''Frankish Annals.''

    What we now know as Denmark was pretty much the ''heartland'' of Viking activity. Many Vikings in fact were referred to as simply ''Danes,'' to the extent that Norwegian Vikings to the irish were ''white Danes'' and Danish Vikings were ''black Danes.'' Also, it was the Danes who conquered England, and set up the Danelaw there. Plus the Normans were mainly of Danish stock.

    Denmark is more heavily ''Cro Magnid'' than the other scandinavian Nations, with the ''Borreby'' sub Race as more frequent than in Norway and Sweden (according to what i have read on various websites) -Finland by the way is not apart of scandinavia, although it is a ''nordic'' Nation.
    Very interesting. What is meant by Black Dane and White Dane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Saxon View Post
    Plus, i think its prolly likely that Denmark -being the first to be organized as a society- had the most influence in Viking activities, which obviously includes Normans.
    Firstly, what do you base the assumption of Danes being earlier organized as a society on, and what do you mean by that? If your criterium is townships and centralization, Norway and Denmark were pretty much in unison in this regard.

    And secondly, the collonization of Normandy had nothing to do with the effort of an organized society, but that of a banished warlord, Rollo, and his followers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sefo View Post
    Very interesting. What is meant by Black Dane and White Dane?
    There are differing theories, but some think it is a reference to the colours of the shields of respectively Norwegian and Danish vikings, the former of which supposedly was white, while the latter was black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granraude View Post
    Historians are still trying to figure this one out. Some claim mainly Norwegians, some claim mainly Danes, and other claim that it was most likely pretty equal.
    Wasn't there a DNA analysis done in 2010 or 2011 on the remains Rollo/Hrolf, the Viking chieftain that founded the Duchy of Normandy and as Robert I was the first duke of Normandy, to determine if he was Danish or Norwegian? I remember this being reported here on Skadi. I remember I put money on him being Norwegian.

    The other thing is that the Normans were not of complete Norse descent. They were a mix of the locals, the Franks, and the Norse settlers.

    Ok, I've gone back in time and here is the Skadi thread on the archaelogical search of the Norman leader in France and Rollo's subsequent DNA test:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...72#post1100472

    It has long been uncertain about the Norwegian and French experts would be allowed from the official French hold to have opened a crypt in Fécamp in northern France to look for the answer. The purpose is to extract DNA samples of skeletal remains to Rollo's son's son and grandson, respectively RikardI and RikardII. Both resting in a sarcophagus under a floor in a Benedictine monastery in the French coastal town northeast of Le Havre.
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