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    Climate Change Denial Sweeping Into Public Schools

    The various attacks on public and private unions orchestrated across the states has clear, direct ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC. But did you know that a host of anti-science bills mandating the teaching of climate change denial or “skepticism” as a credible “theoretical alternative” to climate change is also an ALEC bill?

    So far Texas and Louisiana have introduced education standards that require educators to teach climate change denial as a valid scientific position. Both South Dakota and Utah passed resolutions denying climate change and Tennessee and Oklahoma also have introduced legislation to open classrooms up to climate change deniers.

    In this case the ALEC model bill is called the “Environmental Literacy Improvement Act and is financed by the oil and gas industry. The Center for Media and Democracy traced the money behind the bill and discovered The Heartland Institute, run by the daughter of disgraced Watergate convict G. Gordon Liddy helped develop the bill. The Heartland Institute is heavily funded by ExxonMobile and Koch Industries.

    It’s not just that corporations have extensive resources to pour into electoral politics via dark money, its that they simultaneously fund these astroturf groups that promote disinformation campaigns purely to promote their own economic gains. It’s a dirty, cynical way to conduct public policy and governance that is ultimately not compatible with a healthy, functioning democracy.
    Source http://www.care2.com/causes/climate-...c-schools.html


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    I'm not so sure as to if there is actually any climate change happening or not, but I can surely tell that certain people (hint, hint) are making a lot of money out of this. Either way, I would prefer a society that isn't so technologically or mechanically based with climate change or no climate change. People these days wouldn't be able to survive a day without their precious, little polluting devices like IPods or whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rohirrim View Post
    I'm not so sure as to if there is actually any climate change happening or not, but I can surely tell that certain people (hint, hint) are making a lot of money out of this.
    If you don't think there are any climate change, you haven't really looked into things. In Norwegian schools it's obligatory to learn science in school, and one of the things we learn about is how the rise of greenhouse gases have had a strong increase after the industrial age. We know this because of tests done on ice cores etc.

    Yes, some sleazy people will try to earn money on everything. Like Al Gore.
    But that doesn't really mean there is no change happening.

    If you look around in the nature section of skadi, you will find a lot of research from scientists. By my experience it's usually people with little or no knowledge who denies that change is happening.

    In the movie "Erik the viking" there is a scene where the Atlantians are denying that their island is sinking, even when they are drowning. It comes to mind when people try to deny that change is happening.

    I see you list yourself as a nazi, and taking care of the climate were issues of great concern with the old nazi leaders. They were the green peace of their time.

    The debate is not really whether climate change is happening or not, but how humans have contributed to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    If you don't think there are any climate change, you haven't really looked into things. In Norwegian schools it's obligatory to learn science in school, and one of the things we learn about is how the rise of greenhouse gases have had a strong increase after the industrial age. We know this because of tests done on ice cores etc.

    Yes, some sleazy people will try to earn money on everything. Like Al Gore.
    But that doesn't really mean there is no change happening.

    If you look around in the nature section of skadi, you will find a lot of research from scientists. By my experience it's usually people with little or no knowledge who denies that change is happening.

    In the movie "Erik the viking" there is a scene where the Atlantians are denying that their island is sinking, even when they are drowning. It comes to mind when people try to deny that change is happening.

    I see you list yourself as a nazi, and taking care of the climate were issues of great concern with the old nazi leaders. They were the green peace of their time.

    The debate is not really whether climate change is happening or not, but how humans have contributed to it.
    Yes, you are right, I haven't done much research into it. At times it just seems like it's another Jewish lie (Britain's temperature last year, for example, was terribly low compared to before). But I've been looking through this website for a while now, and you seem like a member I can trust. I promise you I'll look more into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    The debate is not really whether climate change is happening or not, but how humans have contributed to it.
    Indeed, interestingly enough, when was a time on earth where no climate change did happen? For all we know the climate is very dynamic.
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    My stance on climate change is basically this, I'm no scientist, I have no knowledge about the weather or climactic shifts whatsoever. This means that I have to rely on those that do hold knowledge on these matters. Therefor I consider climate change denial to be somewhat dubious. The people who question the science behind climate change are usually individuals without academic credentials in natural sciences, and they typically hinge their arguments on any available study which happens to support their preconcieved notions about climate change.

    At the same time though, I don't really sympathise with the grandiose plans that the greens come up with. As much as climate change may be real, we can't afford to ignore the basics of our existence, which depend in no small degree on the current economic structures. We thus need to achieve a balance, somehow, between the demands placed on us by the environment on the one hand, and the demands placed on us by ourselves and our humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger
    Indeed, interestingly enough, when was a time on earth where no climate change did happen? For all we know the climate is very dynamic.
    Well, depends how one defines "dynamic" I guess. Sure the climate did change, but the amount of change, for example the ice melt at the poles and the permafrost regions, that happened during the last 10000 years is the same that happened during the last 150 years. An increase in speed by several hundred of the average temperature in just 150 years as what happened in 10000 years before. Strangely coinciding with mass pollution through industry.

    This increase in average temperature isnt even high, but it can have huge effects. For example, when the ocean temperature rises by just 2 or 3 degree, it will kill off the Humbold stream that is responsible for Europe's rather mild climate (think of the El Nino phenomenon, it comes around every ~13 years or so, reduces the Humbold and we have extreme winters). While we will notice weather chaos and "feel" colder, the average temperature is higher though. Average it taken over the year, it doesnt say much about the peaks or lows, which both become more extreme, it's more an overall tendency indicator.

    Same for the permafrost regions, the increase in temperature is something from an average of -58 to -55 or so, you'd think it doesnt matter, but it does. And when the permafrost melts, it will release tons of methane and Co2 that have been most likely come from the mt Toba eruption 75,000 years ago and is estimated to be several times as much as what already is in the atmosphere.

    More of these gases in the atmosphere means more and faster melting of the ice. The irony is that global warming then will cause a global ice age, a true Fimbulwinter (decades), like the one that extincted 90% of all life after the Toba eruption.


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    It seems obvious to me that the climate,at least where I am from,is changing!
    Summers are wetter and winters are way more mild then they use to be and I
    don't think it is man-made pollutants that is causing such an adverse change
    in the Earths weather.The North Pole is moving towards Siberia!

    They are passing resolutions on Climate Change so they can keep future generations of sheep in line and not worrying about a very real and present
    danger to the future of Mother Earth!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    If you don't think there are any climate change, you haven't really looked into things. In Norwegian schools it's obligatory to learn science in school, and one of the things we learn about is how the rise of greenhouse gases have had a strong increase after the industrial age. We know this because of tests done on ice cores etc.

    Yes, some sleazy people will try to earn money on everything. Like Al Gore.
    But that doesn't really mean there is no change happening.

    If you look around in the nature section of skadi, you will find a lot of research from scientists. By my experience it's usually people with little or no knowledge who denies that change is happening.

    In the movie "Erik the viking" there is a scene where the Atlantians are denying that their island is sinking, even when they are drowning. It comes to mind when people try to deny that change is happening.

    I see you list yourself as a nazi, and taking care of the climate were issues of great concern with the old nazi leaders. They were the green peace of their time.

    The debate is not really whether climate change is happening or not, but how humans have contributed to it.
    Honestly I do think there was some falsification of Data, regarding the Climate Change Debate, which has led to the questioning of the theory.

    Honestly, if the theory proves to be correct and if it is possible to control green house effects through the release of carbon into the atmosphere then this could be a valuable tool to use to terraform places like say Mars as a future home for life.

    Also it might be possible to reverse some of the effects here on earth. The problem I think is people like Al Gore and other such individuals want to use these issues for personal gain and for increased Global Legislation on various populations around the world.

    People like Al Gore need to get OUT of the debate, and stop injecting Politics into the Issue and let the real scientist do their work. Only then will we get real data and real solutions.

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    I'm somewhat on the fence about human induced climate change, but I just can't see how we can dump literally tons of smog, gases, etc. into the air every year and not have an affect on the environment.
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