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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    But to me, conservatism and liberalism are first and foremost personality types. Very little higher thought goes into either view.
    This is the case for all ideologies, not that it is a character type but that the ideologue by definition sets up or destroys bridges to certain truths based on personal conviction. There is no better definition of ignorance than to block out truths when they conflict with our own sentiments.

    Ability to think outside the box is, IMO, the most important element of intelligence.
    In a sense everyone thinks outside the box, that is they go out of their way to convince themselves that a valid truth is invalid in support of their own sentiments. What few will do is confront a truth they dislike and accept it. This is the most important element of intelligence, being unbiased to truth. It is also why, among conservatives and racists, leftists, and humanists we see a fundamentally flawed method in the pursuit of truth that is as follows:

    To accept scientific evidence, on one hand, when it bolsters our convictions and reject it on the other when it disproves them.

    To reduce a testimony of truth to mere here say when we disagree but to accept the same, when it is in our favor.

    To dismiss a truth as false based on its source and origin.

    These are the definition of ignorance which is a not only a lack of intelligence but in many cases the rejection and detachment from things as they are and so can not be otherwise into what we would wish them to be, which is pure fantasy.

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    Definitive answer on this coming right up!

    OK, many on here have correctly pointed out that liberals dominate the academic world and media, and consequently have greater access to high IQ people. This certainly plays a role somewhere.

    First off I’m going to point out that the correlation between low intelligence and conservatism is just that: a correlation. We can literally prove that it isn’t causal. Let’s take a supposedly prejudiced view, that say, Black people are inherently more prone to committing violent crime than White and Asian people. This is exactly the kind of view that these academics suggest is correlated with low IQ. However, we can literally show that this idea – that Blacks are inherently prone to violent criminality – is in fact true! (See here and here) This means that for this correlation to be causal it would have to be that intelligence actively prevents one from ascertaining truths about the world (?!) Surely that’s a complete nonsense?

    Now for the obvious explanation which gets oddly overlooked. First of all testosterone (and oestrogen!) makes you right-wing, conservative, etc. So the most masculine people are right-wing men; the most feminine people right-wing women. Left-wing men and women are in the middle somewhere. What the hell am I going on about, you ask? Well, from everything I’ve read on the subject there seems to be a negative correlation between intelligence and testosterone (at least for men; not sure about women.) Which of course would mean –accepting the idea that testosterone makes you right-wing – that smarter people, who have lower average levels of testosterone, would naturally tend to ideas, values and beliefs which stress equality and cooperation – AKA leftism.

    So let’s take these two explanations for the correlation between low intelligence and conservatism.

    1. Low intelligence causes conservatism

    2. Testosterone – inversely correlated with IQ – causes conservatism.

    Explanation 1 would naturally predict no difference in conservatism between men and women since their intelligence is the same.

    Conversely, explanation 2 predicts a significant difference in conservatism between men and women – with men being more conservative than women, due to their significantly higher testosterone levels

    So which prediction is correct?

    The gender gap in politics goes deeper than a liberal-conservative split [by which they mean voting for liberal parties vs. voting for conservative parties –as opposed to actually being liberal or conservative.]

    ‘The gender gap in politics, which pollsters expect to be especially large in next week's presidential election, can be attributed to a different stance between men and women toward social equality, says Felicia Pratto, a psychologist who studies political attitudes.’

    […]

    ’Pratto's long-term research agenda includes looking for those deeper meanings through laboratory experiments and opinion sampling on an international level. Her survey work in the United States generally fits within an international pattern. It shows that an individual's preference for equality or inequality among social groups explains his or her views on a large number of political issues. Gender differences or gaps in those political attitudes also can be explained largely by a tendency among men to want to enhance social hierarchy and a tendency among women to want to attenuate it ‘

    Hurrah, we have our answer!

    There is actually tonnes of evidence (not to mention our own day-to-day experiences) demonstrating that men are, on average, more right-wing and conservative than women. Which begets the question: where the hell does this extra conservatism come from if conservatism is the result of low intelligence?

    And just to clarify, oestrogen also makes you more right-wing – lest Skadi’s lady members think I’m calling them butch. I’m not! But lower levels of testosterone and oestrogen do make you left-wing. This actually explains an interesting little paradox some of the other right-wing guys on here might have noticed: that as you move across the political spectrum from left to right, the overall number of women decreases, yet their average level of attractiveness increases.

    Told you it’d be a definitive answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    This is the case for all ideologies, not that it is a character type but that the ideologue by definition sets up or destroys bridges to certain truths based on personal conviction. There is no better definition of ignorance than to block out truths when they conflict with our own sentiments.
    Politics does very little business with truth. Humanity dwells in a world of its own creation: 'truths', 'values', 'realities' are all offspring of our collective imagination. A great mind shapes the 'world' (i.e. the subjectivity of others) to his own purpose. A weak mind shapes his own purpose to the 'world' (i.e. again, the subjectivity of others). This is why founding ideologues are men of genius, while their followers without exception are intellectual bilge. The founder understands the effervescently malleable nature of the human world, the world of politics, ideas and imagination, and employs this understanding in rejecting 'truths' hostile to his own interests and advancing 'truths' that are not.

    The idiot, conversely, accepts the 'truths' (i.e. subjective constructs forged to advance the interests of their author) of others as absolute and subjugates his body and mind in their service.

    It takes a powerful mind to perceive the subjectivity and relativity of the human world and to forge one's own path through it. Neither conservatives nor liberals are really able to do this particularly well, in my estimation, and hence I have trouble in considering either type intelligent. Liberals understand nuance and neocons don't. As far as I see, that's the only reason the former are in general smarter than the latter. Not much else divides them.

    In a sense everyone thinks outside the box, that is they go out of their way to convince themselves that a valid truth is invalid in support of their own sentiments.
    This they do, but as a rule only once their real, truly native sentiments have been wholeheartedly renounced (or rather suppressed, since renunciation would suggest first a conscious understanding and acceptance of a self apart from any limited political allegiance -- of which understanding and acceptance there's not a trace) and traded neatly for those of a healthily large chunk of the population from whom they can expect to experience some tribal connection and emotional warmth. So what really we see is a rejection of one set of some-other-person's 'truths' in favour of a mindless acceptance of another set of some-other-person's 'truths'. New 'truths' are appraised in terms of their agreeableness with dogmatically lauded old 'truths'. Indeed, for the vast majority of humanity the only yardstick of 'truth' is what is declared as such by whichever ideology managed to soak up their originality first.

    What few will do is confront a truth they dislike and accept it. This is the most important element of intelligence, being unbiased to truth. It is also why, among conservatives and racists, leftists, and humanists we see a fundamentally flawed method in the pursuit of truth that is as follows:

    To accept scientific evidence, on one hand, when it bolsters our convictions and reject it on the other when it disproves them.
    But scientific knowledge has no bearing on politics, because science is without values, and politics is nothing but values. The scientific existence or non-existence of race makes no comment on how people should interact with one another. Embryology has nothing whatsoever to say on at what stage it is or isn't acceptable to abort a foetus, or if it's acceptable at all etc. etc.

    So, again, an unintelligent mind lets the political/moral/social relevance of scientific findings be dictated to him, either first-hand through acceptance of a slanted media article, or second-hand through the looking-glass of an ideology that that particular mind didn't itself conjure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox
    Liberals aren't smart either, and certainly aren't anywhere close to being perceivers of some higher truth thanks to a glowing intellect, but they are more intelligent than neocons. The mistake commonly made here is in assuming there's something inherently intelligent about liberal views. Purported understanding of reality comes in tiers, and there's no fluent continuity between those tiers.
    I think here you're on to something. But it's way more easier than trying to find out whether a "view" is intelligent or not or whether that view would have anything to do with reality, and both doesnt even play a role in people's "chosing" of a view. The simple truth is that the smarter people are, the easier it actually is to sell them the biggest bullshit. Because in their intellect, they can make the theory "work", they blend out all the if's and when's that would hinder that theory from being fullfilled etc, after all, it's just a question of wanting. Another thing that may play a role is that the sold "ideals" just sound incredible nice, what a wonderful world would it be if there was no more "inequality" and everyone was happy, there was no more injustice or whatever. They believe in an utopia.

    This utopia comes with "basic truths", like the grass is green, all men are equal, race is a social construct, you know them all. Now you would think that smart people automatically question the base assumptions on which their worldview bases. This is however not the case. They didnt chose this worldview in the first place based on knowledge or understanding, but based on what would be nice, and their intellect is only used to stuff this utopia out with all sorts of "philosophies", which would not be wrong if the basic assumptions were not wrong, and they argue away reality, blend actively out what would question their dogma and goes against their sentiment (the sentiment is what sells the belief to the less intelligent, the masses). That is also the reason why you cannot really fight "liberalism", "leftism", "neoconism" etc with logic, because the followers believe in base assumptions and from there the tinkered worldview is logic, even inevitable. And you also cannot fight the base assumptions, because it is a belief. Reality is at best perceived as the stupid thing that stands in the way and must be changed to fit their worldview. Hence the all encompassing social engineering.

    How much religion it is you can also see in the laws they make. Hate Speech, racial slurs, genetic/scientific data on race, etc, it's all blasphemy, "evil", and those who dont believe in their god and adher to its morals are "lost sheep", need therapy, anti-bias training, protection from the "evil's lies" and what have you.
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    I wonder what these self-proclaimed "academics", who are in reality just naive dreamers and self-righteous hedonist self-haters, would offer as a counter argument to the fact that all races are not equal, supported by the fact that since the dark ages the world has been largely dominated by the Germanic races and why these societies have been the most advanced and prosperous; they would probably enter into a lamenting flat spin about how the west exploited the third world for its own benefit, or that this turn of events was merely coincidence, or they would point towards the few instances of achievement of the mid- and far east (both of which has emulated the west in much of its successes).

    Despite the jewish manipulation of our nation states throughout history, our people and key figures in our leadership and greatest successes/achievements have been profoundly orientated to preserving our race as a result of a inherent belief in our superiority up until 1945. So will these academics now have us believe that the majority of people who forged the way of the west were all intellectually challenged bigots?

    There is also the fact that the most racially conservative regime ever (i.e. the Third Reich) also created the perfect environment for the discovery and development of the most significant technological advancements of the 21st century, which, after their destruction by degenerate, jealous, and not to mention jewish dominated states; then used its stolen/copied achievements to ensure the dominance of the aforementioned states in all aspects of our present lives, especially militarily.

    They subsequently used this dominance to establish the presently looming globalist-incrementalist cesspool of coffee brown debt slaves ruled by a rich, culturally void and racially mixed zionist elite. And how did they do it in particular? By sponsoring these so-called/self-proclaimed intellectuals and parading their claptrap on their personaly owned media platforms which are polished with the right trimmings for them to be perceived by a naive "intellectual" public as the "authority" on all things relating to the "human condition".

    And for those who have a less refined way of being, in other words, "the avarage Joe", "the layman" or "the general public" there is always the sensationalist bullsh!t intertwined with enough of the "intellectualist" contrived "truths" (equality/multikulti, warped self-hating history and hedonist/selfish degeneracy) to keep public opinion in check so that the jewish zionist can keep playing puppet masters, and these self-proclaimed "academics", who are in reality just naive dreamers and self-righteous hedonist self-haters, can sit on their fat asses in trendy offices while enjoying the smell of their own farts, and of course the plebs will just have to make due in the degeneracy of this present prolaterian morass that is the "post-modern world" because these "intellectuals just shrug and point at all the "grey areas" when asked for solutions to issues surrounding the "human condition".

    How fortunate are we to have these "academics" telling us what is "right" and "wrong"?


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    Earlier studies have found links between low levels of education and higher levels of prejudice
    Based on these earlier studies briefly mentioned, I would assert that they've found this trend with low intelligence and prejudice due to conditions among the working class. In blue collar areas, slums, and prisons, racial tensions are much higher than they are in, say, the wealthy suburbs, which are often relatively racially homogeneous. The poorer, less-educated people of the working class might worry more about having their jobs taken by recently-arrived minorities who are willing to work for less money, or might live in slums or prisons dominated by racial gangs. I recall reading an article in a recent issue of The New Yorker in which a teenage murderer sentenced to life was interviewed, and said prison has turned him into a racist since the racial tensions there are so amplified, and people begin to join these conflicting, race-based gangs for protection (gangs meaning those like the Black Guerrilla Family, the Mexican Mafia, and the Aryan Brotherhood). The type of people who are exposed to these troubles are usually less intelligent than the middle and upper classes, who tend to live comfortable, suburban lives without a noticeable presence of race conflict.

    Like some of the others who have posted here, I think political beliefs and prejudice levels are largely determined by education and upbringing, as people tend to justify their beliefs based on personal experience. I've met extremely intelligent liberals and extremely intelligent conservatives. I just think the ranks of the less intelligent are more dominated by prejudice and the associated neoconservatism because they are reacting to issues that aren't prevalent for many of the greatest minds around.
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    There are very few "colored" people who would call themselves "Conservative". Most of them are leftist and have no idea at all that they are. At least Conservatives know where they stand politically. And as we all know, most colored people are not highly intelligent. Is that what they are suggesting? That people who have absolutely NO morals and sense of discretion are of higher intelligence? LOL!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by StormjaerKommando View Post
    I wonder what these self-proclaimed "academics", who are in reality just naive dreamers and self-righteous hedonist self-haters, would offer as a counter argument to the fact that all races are not equal, supported by the fact that since the dark ages the world has been largely dominated by the Germanic races and why these societies have been the most advanced and prosperous; they would probably enter into a lamenting flat spin about how the west exploited the third world for its own benefit, or that this turn of events was merely coincidence, or they would point towards the few instances of achievement of the mid- and far east (both of which has emulated the west in much of its successes). (...)
    Beautiful post! Double "thank you" for this one I especially appreciate this segment ....

    "There is also the fact that the most racially conservative regime ever (i.e. the Third Reich) also created the perfect environment for the discovery and development of the most significant technological advancements of the 21st century, which, after their destruction by degenerate, jealous, and not to mention jewish dominated states; then used its stolen/copied achievements to ensure the dominance of the aforementioned states in all aspects of our present lives, especially militarily."
    "The mystery and secret of Wotan is not that "knowledge" of him is passed along through clandestine cults or even through the re-discovery of old books and texts--but rather that such knowledge is actually encoded in a mysterious way in the DNA, in the very genetic material, of those who are descended from him." - Secret of the Gothick God of Darkness

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    You need an above average IQ to see through the fog of todays world.

    He should study the IQ of race mixers. It would make for interesting reading.

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    I thought liberals didn't believe that IQ was real.

    Can you have your cake and eat it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire
    Like some of the others who have posted here, I think political beliefs and prejudice levels are largely determined by education and upbringing, as people tend to justify their beliefs based on personal experience. I've met extremely intelligent liberals and extremely intelligent conservatives. I just think the ranks of the less intelligent are more dominated by prejudice and the associated neoconservatism because they are reacting to issues that aren't prevalent for many of the greatest minds around.
    The study would've been much more interesting (and competent) if levels of education, social class, even age, had been controlled for. I'm much more interested in the raw correlation between ideology and intelligence than in the second-hand correlation that this study showed us. The ideological culture of higher education facilities is well-known. The differences in attitudes between social classes are well known, etc. etc. It would also have been interesting to see if subjects high on the racism variable but low on the conservative variable were more intelligent than those high on both. I suspect so. Once we filter out the Bill O'Reilly types, we'll likely see either no correlation between racism and intelligence, or a positive one.

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