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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    First, we are (part) Neanderthal, and your view on them is quite wrong in general. Probably it was rather vice versa who perceived whom as what. But that's not the topic here
    My view of Neanderthal, man is that I live in a world that is much more advanced than his was, as such he would view my world as a "World of the Gods". Just as I would probably view the world in say a thousand years from now.


    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You didnt listen. It is exactly the problem most people have, and what I lined out. For most "spiritual" people, the ANCIENT (limited state of) "knowledge" is the be-all and end-all, they deny outright any Dynamics and call it instead "degeneration". What these people are doing is denying that humans could possibly develop, and if they do, it is automatically that they are wrong, because they leave the "true path of god" (singular, because this is Jewish/christian/monotheistic through and through). Essentially, they want to nail mankind into the state it was in 2000 years ago. They worship "tradition" for tradition's sake (regardless of what this tradition is, once it is declared tradition it is unchangeable and unquestionable), and they invent rows of insults towards deviants (heretics, blasphemers, sinners, immorals etc) to block any development beyond that.
    Ok maybe I missed that part.
    Yes the Church has a major problem with "Tradition" and many times traditions that are not even directly related to any real history regarding Jesus. They have overlayed a Tradition on a historical event and an individual who lived in a time they do not understand. I will grant you that one.


    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Heathens dont have that antagonism between their faith and reality, the reality of life itself that does develop and change. Because their gods told them to develop, to grow, to become more [vital, strong, intelligent, wise, knowledgeable, fierce] etc. For a Heathen, there simply is no antagonism, no anachronism.
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Again, in a Heathen worldview, these things do have an explicit place. Having fun, gathering, drinking, flying hormones, love, fertility, having fun in and with life, are part of Heathen scripture. They are explicit part of what is to be strived for, which have their place.
    Yes I really do not have a problem with those issues as values.

    My Position on Religion whether it be Christianity or Heathenism is that from a dynamic standpoint it is all the same, but different sides of the same coin.

    One God or many Gods. The pagans would have their Chief Gods such as Odin, and Christians would have their many gods or Angels. Same Reality only different Point of View.

    The Reason I posted Sagan's Video was to lead in this direction. In a 3 Dimensional World a square and a circle can both be the same thing. But in Flat land circles and squares CAN NOT be the same.

    This is also true when we attempt to add extra dimensions to our reality. Circles really can be squares in the 3D world. We call them Cylinders.

    For Germanic Populations though we are now coming up against hard realities regarding survival. It is clear that the people in the drivers seat are NOT capable of correcting the problem. This means that WE are as a group or collection of groups going to have to fix the problems for our selves.

    To do this there needs to be some sort of cohesiveness as a people that we right now do not have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauz R. Waldher View Post
    Really? The constant "LOL!" is an obvious sign of you feeling threatened or you're trying to agitate someone. You "take everything a Heathen says at face value"? You're being feeble and ridiculous.
    The LOL is not an insult aimed a Velvet, and it is for sure NOT a sign that I am threatened. Velvet is most of the time a pretty good debater, but on occasion her arguments go a bit over the top. On those occasion's she is somewhat humorous.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kauz R. Waldher View Post
    Did you know that violence/war is a part of not only our culture but human culture? Even the "culture of the world". Have you read any decent philosophical books on the matter?
    Violence in the human since is a sign of out of control Anger, which is also a sign of out of control emotion. And as a general rule violent people are also stupid people, which means they are lousy fighters. Good Fighters are logical, and cool headed. they think the situation out rationally and do the best they are capable of doing.

    Having grown up on the wrong side of town and whet to school with somewhat violent minorities I can assure you the more angry the person becomes the more venerable they become.

    Violence as a part of life is something we cannot escape, unfortunately, but on the flip side it is best to not engage in violence unless you have a battle plan.

    Also the Bible is a pretty violent book in itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kauz R. Waldher View Post
    Even if you never change your theories or beliefs, you should at least witness the other side from a viable source. Have you read the Gita? You should read that. I believe it is vital reading seeing as all great modern folkish thinkers "point to it" in their writings. Not to mention that H. Himmler had every SS man own a personal copy of it.
    I will check both of them out, "Storm of Steel" and
    "Gita" when I get a chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kauz R. Waldher View Post
    I mean, where are you in life? What have you "dug into"? You seem very willing to accept the very least from yourself. Yes, you "might" have a high IQ or whatever .. but what's that matter when you have no common sense?
    I consider my self an Objectivitist so, for sure I believe in common sense, and And as I have said before It is not that I think all aspects of Paganism have no roots in truth, but as such I’m not sure we can take everything at face value. It is a big universe out there, and Humanity is very young by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    The LOL is not an insult aimed a Velvet, and it is for sure NOT a sign that I am threatened. Velvet is most of the time a pretty good debater, but on occasion her arguments go a bit over the top. On those occasion's she is somewhat humorous.





    Violence in the human since is a sign of out of control Anger, which is also a sign of out of control emotion. And as a general rule violent people are also stupid people, which means they are lousy fighters. Good Fighters are logical, and cool headed. they think the situation out rationally and do the best they are capable of doing.

    Having grown up on the wrong side of town and whet to school with somewhat violent minorities I can assure you the more angry the person becomes the more venerable they become.

    Violence as a part of life is something we cannot escape, unfortunately, but on the flip side it is best to not engage in violence unless you have a battle plan.

    Also the Bible is a pretty violent book in itself.



    I will check both of them out, "Storm of Steel" and
    "Gita" when I get a chance.



    I consider my self an Objectivitist so, for sure I believe in common sense, and And as I have said before It is not that I think all aspects of Paganism have no roots in truth, but as such I’m not sure we can take everything at face value. It is a big universe out there, and Humanity is very young by comparison.
    "Violence in the human since is a sign of out of control Anger, which is also a sign of out of control emotion. And as a general rule violent people are also stupid people, which means they are lousy fighters."

    Totally bogus remark. Violence is NOT "out of control anger" all of the time. If it's just anger we're reacting to, then yes it can be wreckless and damaging. But we are not reacting violently out of mere anger. We are acting in desperation. And passion, and love. I don't care about the history of any other people of the world. I don't care if "the Indians" or "the Chinese" act violently in anger. I only care about my people. So basically my point is, when we speak in these terms of "this and that" or "right or wrong" or "fact and fiction", I am ONLY speaking about my people. That you must know.

    Also, you are saying that Heathenry and christianity are basically the same. NO, THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE. And the only ways they haoppen to be is due to christian manipulation of theirs and our doctrines. As in, they copied their stories from other religions and they altered our stories. BUT, you keep failing to realize something ... not all of us view being Heathen as a form of dualism. Paganism is vast. It covers alot of ground. ANCIENT Buddhism and Hinduism are Pagan. I supplement my Germanic Heathen (for lack of doctrine) with readings from the Bhagavad Gita, the Rigveda and books by experts on both previously mentioned books. You're living spiritually inside a box. I don't know you and I can see that from your words. There is a vast and beautiful pagan spiritual world out there waiting for you. And instead you sit with your soul locked away in some self-destructive, self-loathing form of jewish monotheism. Break the chains. Release your fears. Jesus is not real, he is not watching you. YHWH will not punish you for being curious. I promise! READ MORE BOOKS! There are sooo many out there ripe for the picking. They're even on the web, translated just for you, in pdf format. Just waiting for you to click "download".
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    Semetic Faith and Heathenism

    Semetic faith [Christianity & Marxism] and Heathenism are fundamentally incompatible; the former are the inversion of truth and the natural universe, while Heathenism inherently embodies and evolves forward from these two powerful forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter
    My view of Neanderthal, man is that I live in a world that is much more advanced than his was, as such he would view my world as a "World of the Gods". Just as I would probably view the world in say a thousand years from now.
    You assume that Neanderthals have been superstitious, and were inherently unable to comprehend higher thought.

    What you take as proof, I assume, for this is that they died out.

    By the same token it would follow that we whites, today, are incapable of comprehending because we're going to die out. Conclusion, nonsense argument

    In fact it seems that it was Neanderthal who teached us the basics of culture. They were no longer nomads and kept animals, cows and even tamed wolves. There's also signs that they started caring for crops (in as much that was possible in still Ice Age Europe). "Modern Man" ran around still in small bands and hunted wild animals and collected some wild berries.

    Neanderthals also had greater groups, which though also makes them more vulnerable. The more aggressive "modern" man raided them and their small, start-up settlements, because it was easier than to hunt Mammoths. Modern man's bands were mere "purpose" groups, because it simply wasnt possible to hunt a Mammoth alone. Neanderthals formed social groups, they practiced work sharing / specialising, and they also cooked their food. Nothing of this has been present in modern man's million years history. Culture and social groups kicks off in man's history at the same time when they started to share living space with the Neanderthals (50k-30k years ago) and interbred with them.

    The alleged 4% average Neanderthal genes within us today is a faulty number. Most of our genome we share with all mammals, 60% percent of genome of all living species (incl plants) is the same. Much of genomes is neutral, those 4% are only "identifiably" of Neanderthal source, but their true contribution is much higher. Although genes can be the absolute same in two species, the most difference in expression comes from the way the alleles are switched on or off. However, take into consideration that the world population at that time was probably way less than 100,000 individuals, in the Kurgan hypothesis (which reflects the time 10K-5K years ago) it is assumed that the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan population started off with just 7 (seven) female individuals. Just so that you dont think how it's possible to spread such a stable mix through millions of people

    However, I'm pretty sure that modern man's ancestors viewed the Neandtherals as more higher than vice versa. They were certainly further developed than modern man in terms of social groups and the advantages that come with that.

    And we certainly had a lot of luck that the mix between the more socially apt and the physically more agile resulted in what we are today. Look at Blacks how interbreeding with archaic humanoids can turn out really bad

    It's of course not only luck. Once social structures are established, purely natural selection is replaced through cultural selection. So you have a refinement over at least 30,000 years, and bottle neck events reduced the "biodiversity" time and again.


    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter
    Ok maybe I missed that part.
    Yes the Church has a major problem with "Tradition" and many times traditions that are not even directly related to any real history regarding Jesus. They have overlayed a Tradition on a historical event and an individual who lived in a time they do not understand. I will grant you that one.
    It's much worse, there is no neutral proof for the existence of Jesus whatsoever. The stuff of "son of god" and its divinity is a total fabrication, this was not part of christianity from the beginning. Lots of other stuff that today is taken as the very fundaments of christianity are fabrications, partly only introduced after the 10th and even 12th century. The messiah stuff is something that is really dangerous in itself, even when you leave out the details for whom this messiah is meant (which is not Germanics, no matter how much people claim "god" had changed his mind), but it is this, a tool to blind the masses from the real problem, what is made "tradition" and "core" of all belief.

    Kauz said it quite good: Break your Chains. Free yourself from the shackles that keep you down and throw away the blinding bind from your eyes, and soul.

    You see, it doesnt really matter whether you become then atheist or Heathen or whatever, the main thing is that you get rid off christianity and start questioning fundamentally the values it teaches (which is hard since they even reflect through law and accepted society standards), but it's possible nonetheless.

    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter
    Yes I really do not have a problem with those issues as values.

    My Position on Religion whether it be Christianity or Heathenism is that from a dynamic standpoint it is all the same, but different sides of the same coin.

    One God or many Gods. The pagans would have their Chief Gods such as Odin, and Christians would have their many gods or Angels. Same Reality only different Point of View.

    For Germanic Populations though we are now coming up against hard realities regarding survival. It is clear that the people in the drivers seat are NOT capable of correcting the problem. This means that WE are as a group or collection of groups going to have to fix the problems for our selves.

    To do this there needs to be some sort of cohesiveness as a people that we right now do not have.
    How about solving the problem of the people in the driver's seat? Ie, kick them out of there? Taking away the blinding layer that blurs reality?

    You see, this is one of the fundamental differences between Heathens and Christians. Christians tend to just take it and think that when they just turn their back to the problem, it doesnt affect them anymore. They think they could simply step around the problem if they just avoid looking at it and keep on "doing their own thing". A Heathen sees the problem, and the people who are causing it and keeping it up and running, and gets angry. His wrath, his emotions are powerful weapons to defend yourself against the blurry layer behind which the string pullers hide. Why not simply remove the trouble makers?

    Oh yes, we need a cohesiveness, but christianity puts emphasis on the individual, which is expected to turn its back to the group in order to follow Jesus. Christianity is not capable of creating any form of cohesiveness expect through totalitarian power structures, enforcing compliance to its rules (which is fundamentally different from a group structure, psychologically). These structures though are the very vehicle on which our current problems drove right into our midst, and whose rules prevent the "law abiding" christian to do anything against it.


    The both are really not the same thing. The one deals with the afterlife and the other with life. A Christian views the predicament we are in as a trial of god and accepts the hardship, a Heathen would do whatever he can to remove the hardship and fight his enemies and the enemies of his group. Christians select "group", which doesnt really deserve this name, based on the other individual's belief, a Heathen defines group by blood. It's only christians who have a problem working together with Heathens, while Heathens dont really care about what the other believes as long as they share the same goal. Christians who share the goal of preservation always whine about that they must be law abiding, that this or that "would lower" them or whatever else nonsense, everything that keeps them from actually acting.

    But I tell you what. What we need is a horde of berserkers chasing the traitors out of office and crushing the systems and fabrications that make us slave to them.


    I find this specially interesting with Americans. While you insist that your guns are to defend yourself against an oppressive government, you have right now the most oppressive government in the world, removing one right after another. The christian mindset though teaches you to be law abiding, regardless of what this law is. Of course law tells you not to attack the govt, and so no one is going to do anything. Because this would be against the law. Violence would lower you to an "immoral" level and what not. Instead you believe that if you just turn your back to the problem it one day will go away on its own. When "god" wishes to liberate you from your slavery. This is not going to happen. If you want another world and another government, you have to forcefully remove it, because it is not going to go away on its own. Or because one day they'll miraculously take responsibility for their people. With a BLACK president in office, this would be actually the worst case scenario for whites in America. Your govt is full of minorities, your country is less than 65% percent white, unchecked legal and illegal immigration, the simple social truth that lower classes breed more than higher classes will make us all minorities in our own countries in less than 20 years. When will you people wake up and take back your land? It is not possible to do it with legal means. Break your chains.
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    Something interesting to think about.....

    Jesus stated that he was here to save the ones that were lost.... he also states that he was here to save the Isrealites...... He also states that he is "not" here to worry about those who are already on the right path, just those that are lost...

    When Jesus travels beyond the border of Isreal he encounters a woman who asks his mercy, to cure her.. Jesus states that he is not here for her people... The woman then states that if only she could touch his garment she knows she would be healed.... Jesus then states.. by your faith you are healed, and then proceeds to proclaim that if the people he was here to teach only had her faith....

    It seems to me it may be possible that Jesus was here to save the prodigal son.... Isreal... The rest were already where they needed to be and doing fine.... Isreal managed to twist and perfect religion to a point that people were completely controlled by it.... Jesus many times mentions that the pharisees are following rituals and customs invented by them and not by God. Jesus illustrates quite well that the church was using religion to control people and wealth. Jesus then gives a broad escape from all the religious control, simply believe in me and you are saved, therefore undermining all of the control of the church.

    In my opinion if you wish to know God, go out and study what has been created...

    My view is that all that exists makes up the whole...God... I view God as the entire entity, the controlling mind and force... We are simply a part of that, you can serve the betterment of the whole or the betterment of yourself......

    I find it interesting also that Wodin, Odin is described as being the cosmos itself...... the father of all. The sons of God, zeus, Hades and the others of Greek mythos supposedly killed there father, who is also basically described as the cosmos itself....

    The bible describes the "sons of God" coming down to earth in defiance to God and teaching and interbreeding with mankind.

    The Isrealites called themselves in the bible.... "The sons of God".... In fact when Jesus is questioned about saying that he is the son of God he states... do not your own books say that we are the "sons of God"?.

    I will stop now... considering erasing all this to avoid fights, but what the heck....

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    Jesus taught the separation between the soul and the flesh. With the flesh being the evil part which had to be shackled and opressed. That led to deranged people who were sick.

    Heathenism seeks to create a harmonius person who is in right relationship with everything, that of course includes one's own body as well as ,everything else, the world, cosmos and Gods.

    Christianity attacked this harmonius being, embedded in the cosmos.

    It destroyed healthy sexuality (just see what Jews do today), a healthy relationship to God (Gods), a right relationship to nature (make the world your subject), a good relationship to wisdom, knowledge and science and so on.

    It is an attack on whatever a human beings is, it is destructive in nature to your wellbeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You assume that Neanderthals have been superstitious, and were inherently unable to comprehend higher thought.

    What you take as proof, I assume, for this is that they died out.

    By the same token it would follow that we whites, today, are incapable of comprehending because we're going to die out. Conclusion, nonsense argument
    I would say that we Whites/Germanics are behaving in a stupid manner, and it is not our ability to comprehend higher thought, but our stupidity that is holding us back. Most people ESPECIALY LEADERS, do not want to have themselves view as stupid idiots so they relabel Stupidity as "Compassion" there by making themselves look honorable.

    Trust me!
    They ARE Stupid Idiots.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    In fact it seems that it was Neanderthal who teached us the basics of culture. They were no longer nomads and kept animals, cows and even tamed wolves. There's also signs that they started caring for crops (in as much that was possible in still Ice Age Europe). "Modern Man" ran around still in small bands and hunted wild animals and collected some wild berries.

    Neanderthals also had greater groups, which though also makes them more vulnerable. The more aggressive "modern" man raided them and their small, start-up settlements, because it was easier than to hunt Mammoths. Modern man's bands were mere "purpose" groups, because it simply wasnt possible to hunt a Mammoth alone. Neanderthals formed social groups, they practiced work sharing / specialising, and they also cooked their food. Nothing of this has been present in modern man's million years history. Culture and social groups kicks off in man's history at the same time when they started to share living space with the Neanderthals (50k-30k years ago) and interbred with them.
    I think the term “Modern Man” is probably a bad term to use for Cro-Magnon invaders. In any case I'm guessing that both the out of Africa Bunch and the Neanderthals were on similar levels technologically.

    My point though is that our modern world to ether of the above groups would have been entirely alien to them and perceived as a “World of the Gods”. Which brings us back to the fact that the word “God or Gods, depends entirely on the persons perspective. To a lower civilization the higher civilization would appear to be “Gods”.

    One final word on the Neanderthal. From my perspective and from some of the articles I have read on this site, it does seem that we as Germanics gained something from them in the form of technological and evolutionary advantage, and the fact that Africa, which is the only Population that does not have Neanderthal genes has remained in the stone age for the most part.

    On that note, I will say the stupidest thing the white population, did in the past was over representing our mistakes and under representing our success. I do not think the white or Germanic population will go extinct but I do have questions as to if we will be able to dictate a higher evolutionary path. One that is NOT based on blind stupidity, which is exactly what we are getting from globalist.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Kurgan hypothesis (which reflects the time 10K-5K years ago) it is assumed that the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan population started off with just 7 (seven) female individuals.
    Sorry not sure I have heard of this.
    Do you have a source?

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It's of course not only luck. Once social structures are established, purely natural selection is replaced through cultural selection. So you have a refinement over at least 30,000 years, and bottle neck events reduced the "biodiversity" time and again.
    So you replace Natural Selection with Intelligent Selection or Eugenics.
    I think you can see why the Globalist are 100% against any form of Intelligent Eugenics, because they would not be in control of it. And whites would eventually oust the mid eastern mob that runs the banking systems and controls the oil fields.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    A Heathen sees the problem, and the people who are causing it and keeping it up and running, and gets angry. His wrath, his emotions are powerful weapons to defend yourself against the blurry layer behind which the string pullers hide. Why not simply remove the trouble makers?
    Yes I'm 100% in favor of eliminating the troublemakers. But in order to do that there needs to be an infrastructure built to do the job. They already have theirs, which we paid for and built for them, now we are going to have to do double duty and build a second fortress to protect ourselves. And NO I would and DO not blindly follow any Idiot who claims “Christianity”. I have already been down that road.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    But I tell you what. What we need is a horde of berserkers chasing the traitors out of office and crushing the systems and fabrications that make us slave to them.
    If it were only that simple Velvet.
    But here is the problem, the Globalist out gun the Berserkers and therefore the people by a 1000 to 1 odds. And with every imaginable weapon. >>>> WE have got to find a way to take the guns OUT of the hands of Government and replace them with a distributed system of government that cannot violate the rights of the community.<<<< And that includes communities that have decided that they DO NOT want multiculturalism. I think the partial answer will be Open Source and Distributed Technology. And this is one reason the Globalist are fighting this tooth and nail.

    But for any of this to happen we must TAKE CONTROL of the financial system, and TAKE CONTROL of energy production.

    In fact I have a idea that this was the real crime of Nazi Germany. Sticking it to the Global Monetary and Energy based Monopoly.


    Why they needed 9/11: Oil, Money, and Geopolitics



    But the reality is, IT will NOT be just Americans that fight this one. It is going to have to be fought globally. Everyone is going to have to join in on this battle for it to be won.

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    I find this specially interesting with Americans. While you insist that your guns are to defend yourself against an oppressive government, you have right now the most oppressive government in the world, removing one right after another. The christian mindset though teaches you to be law abiding, regardless of what this law is. Of course law tells you not to attack the govt, and so no one is going to do anything. Because this would be against the law. Violence would lower you to an "immoral" level and what not. Instead you believe that if you just turn your back to the problem it one day will go away on its own. When "god" wishes to liberate you from your slavery. This is not going to happen. If you want another world and another government, you have to forcefully remove it, because it is not going to go away on its own. Or because one day they'll miraculously take responsibility for their people. With a BLACK president in office, this would be actually the worst case scenario for whites in America. Your govt is full of minorities, your country is less than 65% percent white, unchecked legal and illegal immigration, the simple social truth that lower classes breed more than higher classes will make us all minorities in our own countries in less than 20 years. When will you people wake up and take back your land? It is not possible to do it with legal means. Break your chains.
    Trust me, I know what kind of deep mess we are in. But it more or less stems from a lack of information on our part as a civilization. Blacks and others should have been required to come up to our level, and not the other way round. Bowing down to fools is never the best option, and that pretty much outlines what we have done. We need to find a way to move toward a type 1 civilization as opposed to remaining a type 0, multiculturalism.

    I want white and Germanic populations to protect our roll in this movement
    as opposed to waiting a few hundred more years and trashing the planet in the process even more.

    Sorry I will have to revisit some of the other topics in your post at a later date.

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    If I wanted to go the route of reconciling Germanicism and Christianity I'd start by looking at the socio-cultural conditions that gave rise to, not merely Christianity, but urban salvation cults in general. Namely, the urbs.

    Our heathen ancestors didn't live in cities. We today do. Likewise, while there is a secind generation accumaulting, maybe some already of age, many, many more didn't grow up heathen, but went in search of our ancestors to reconnect with them, ie. a search for wholeness, for "salvation".

    Then we could abstract Christ into Faith itself ... which, forsooth, no man can enter into the "kingdom of heaven" without, ie. heaven, religion, is for believers. And then we can through in a dash of Christ own words, about he he comes for the sick man not the healthy. Blah, blah, blah.

    HOWEVER, while I can respect early Christianity, we have Mannus-Heimdall ... who lives and dies, lives and dies, lives and dies, and keeps the gods up to date on developements in human society, so society can be kept whole.

    Thats my thinking anyway. But indeed Christianity has long been a part of our Folk; to the extent the we have become definitive of the each other. And I personally glimpse it everywhere amongst my kin and friends. We should take the time to pay it some REAL consideration, rather than being all reactive ... no matter how well justified.

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