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    Threat in the 1980s Military Art

    Some great military art of Soviet weaponry from the DIA website




    http://www.dia.mil/history/military-art/1980s-series1/
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    Nice paintings. Not very realistic, though, showing Soviet heavy tanks storming through German forests in the 1980s - that war would've gone nuclear within a few minutes, before any of those epic tank battles could take place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Nice paintings. Not very realistic, though, showing Soviet heavy tanks storming through German forests in the 1980s - that war would've gone nuclear within a few minutes, before any of those epic tank battles could take place.
    Hehe, sure

    Think the artists were from the USA though, not Soviets
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Think the artists were from the USA though, not Soviets
    Yes, the artists of these sorts of paintings tend to be from America.

    Although, the Russian war against Georgia back in 2008 matches these paintings fairly well. I too remember seeing the TV images of big explosions and Russian tanks storming through pine forests, it was a short but very impressive-looking war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Although, the Russian war against Georgia back in 2008 matches these paintings fairly well. I too remember seeing the TV images of big explosions and Russian tanks storming through pine forests, it was a short but very impressive-looking war.
    That's right, it was an entertaining one-week skirmish and a case study in how not to go about grabbing territory.

    Georgians aren't a nation of fighters. They should have stuck to the things they're good at ie talking big, posing in shiny American Uniforms (and scaring themselves when seeing their reflections in the mirror), singing, dancing, operating restaurants etc.

    Once they saw the Chechens on Russian APC's coming for them they ran for their lives....... back all the way to Tblisi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Nice paintings. Not very realistic, though, showing Soviet heavy tanks storming through German forests in the 1980s - that war would've gone nuclear within a few minutes, before any of those epic tank battles could take place.
    Indeed. That was the real point of the Flexible Response doctrine, to put nukes on the table from the beginning and, by reducing US and Nato troops in Europe, assure the Soviets that the war should turn nuclear. Wikipedia, however, seems to spread the official nonsense about reducing nuclear fallout by not going for total annihilation from the start.

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    Here is another link with impressive military art, this time from WW2.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    That's right, it was an entertaining one-week skirmish and a case study in how not to go about grabbing territory.
    Yes, it seemed stupid to me from the get-go. It baffles me, how a nation like Georgia imagined it could steal territory from Russia. What were they thinking? That Russia would back down because the Georgians had some vague promises from NATO? Stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Here is another link with impressive military art, this time from WW2.
    Thanks Sigyn, will take a look!

    Yes, it seemed stupid to me from the get-go. It baffles me, how a nation like Georgia imagined it could steal territory from Russia. What were they thinking? That Russia would back down because the Georgians had some vague promises from NATO? Stupid.
    I was in Russia about 2 months before the war kicked off. A friend there was convinced something was about to happen because winter was approaching and if anything was going to happen, they'd be doing it before then.

    After the Soviet Union broke up, Georgia broke from the Soviet Union and from Russia. A number of small territories inside Georgia itself broke from it.

    Those were:

    - Adzharia
    - South Ossetia
    - Abkhazia

    Adzharia was basically a private fiefdom and not really a de facto "independent territory". It was the weakest of the three.

    South Ossetia forms part of Ossetia together with North Ossetia which is in Russia.

    Abkhazia is perhaps the only territory which could just about exist as a de facto independent country.

    Saakashvili was another George Soros and US State Dept man picked to lead another Zionist putsch in Eastern Europe / Former Soviet Union. Once he took control in 2003 they started setting about "restoring Georgian territorial integrity". The problem was that SO and Abkhazia wasn't really "Georgian" (Stalin hacked it into Georgia by redrawing the maps) and a former Georgian leader of the 1990's (Gamzakhurdia) attempted to forcefully integrate the territories into Georgia during a previous war in which Georgia were given a beating by the Abkhazians, the South Ossetians and numerous Caucasus mountain tribes who came to fight against Georgia. The most notable tribe possibly being the Chechens.

    So... there wasn't much love lost between these regions for Georgia and the locals certainly weren't interested in joining. (Apart from the ethnic Georgians living there).

    NATO / USA / EU of course have geopolitical plans for the entire Caucasus region and a major part of that plan is to push Russia out and break it up, just as happened with the Soviet Union.

    Saakashvili therefore was going to form part of that plan, and that's why the West was supporting and arming him to "restore Georgian territorial integrity". (According to Georgians).

    Adzharia was basically "Georgian enough" in character and weak enough that they were easily taken over. And so it also happened.

    Saakashvili, buoyed by his "incredible success" was infused with more feelings of bravery and heroism. He soon started believing that he was going to become the most glorious Georgian since Stalin. The next logical step was to take over South Ossetia while Abkhazia, the most difficult region, would be taken last.

    The USA / NATO / EU armed Georgia in anticipation of these actions, mostly through the Ukraine and also via NATO supplied equipment and training. Ukrainian mercenaries and specialists were hired. African mercenaries were hired. Saakashvili was no doubt given encouragement by the West that they were going to support him in his ventures and that Russia therefore wouldn't dare to do anything. The assumption in Tblisi and probably in NATO circles was that Russia would have to "grin and bare it" as they had done before with regards to Kosovo in Serbia.

    Western OSCE observers actually reported unusual increases in military activities around this time to their superiors but were told bluntly to keep sending reports and to mind their own business. The West knew exactly what was being planned since after all, Saakashvili was in effect working as their proxy.

    The idea was to bomb and raid Tshikinvali in SO during a short campaign, to overpower the lightly armed Russian peacekeepers in the region and to finish the takeover before anybody had realised what was going on. The attack was planned to coincide with the Beijing Olympics, the time when Putin would be out of Russia and the Crypto-Jew President Medvedev would be in Russia. It's not impossible that Medvedev was "in on the act" in my opinion but who knows......

    The timing was very interesting. Beijing Olympics started on 8 August. SO attack started on night of 7 August. This was no coincidence. They wanted Putin out of the way and engaged so that the takeover would be over before there was time on the Russian side to react. Crypto-Jew Medvedev was certainly not going to provide much of a response.

    As it turned out, the attack was botched. The Georgians are rather poor fighters, the Russian peacekeepers put up more than expected resistance and they were unable to secure the area. They also made severe tactical mistakes as could be expected from a Banana Force. The ineptness cost them.

    Russia did complain to the UN Security Council about the Georgian attack and requested that it be condemned. This request was of course turned down by USA, UK, France and Germany who was also present. It was regarded by them as "an internal matter in which they couldn't interfere" blah blah blah. Obviously they said this because they were the real forces behind the attack.

    Due to the Georgian botching, the Russian military's response and unexpectedly quick recovery by Putin who re-appeared on the scene (while Medvedev was twiddling his thumbs) the assault soon turned into a sad fiasco for the Georgians as its NATO "friends" looked sideways and whistled.

    Russian APC's full of Chechen & Russian militia streamed in through the tunnel, Georgians ran back home to mama. Saakashvili was left to chew his tie on TV.

    Saakashvili Tie Fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    Nice paintings. Not very realistic, though, showing Soviet heavy tanks storming through German forests in the 1980s - that war would've gone nuclear within a few minutes, before any of those epic tank battles could take place.
    Granted

    It would have been over in minutes, because the Russians had enough nuclear firepower to wipe out the world over, and a response of the US would have made the planet uninhabitable.

    The vast majority of the Cold War was fought in proxy wars, with CIA vs KGB.

    In reality if you want to get right down to it, the USA and USSR were played against the other in a fashion to eliminate the internal political factions in both countries that oppose globalism.

    In the US this took the form of "Peace Riots" and "Hippie Anti War Protest". The populace are always too stupid to see these things being played out.

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    And, of course, here is the ultimate site for military artworks.

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