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    When you think about it.. Such an answer is more then likely far beyond our comprehension..

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    Feyn, sounds more like I kicked a sacred cow than anything, seeing as how you completely missed the point. Completely.

    I said modern physics, and listed example of what I was talking about is more blind religion than anything, and I stand by it. There is simply so little actual data on the macro and micro scale for people to dig in their heels and insist they their way is the way, even when holes are shot in the theory, they still cling to it. You know it's true. People take things as fact because some famous guy proposes it, and the very few pieces of data seem to support it. When data is found that does not support it, they try to make up work-arounds within the theory, rather than form a new hypothesis. The very much lauded peer review process is partly to blame, since if a new person comes up with a new hypothesis that fit the old data and the new, they are brow-beaten by the old guard, and essentially have to fight the very people who should be the most help in advancing the science, but are too busy defending territory. Too much politicking, not enough actual science. And you damn well know it.

    Evolution? Do I hate" it? No. There's just not enough evidence for macro evolution to support it. Most of the latest articles I've read argue strongly for intelligent design and guidance of any such process, making it not a natural process, but a manufacture of sorts. Still not enough evidence. Dig in your heels if you want.

    If you want to discuss science, great. If you want to make more ad hominem attacks, stuff it.

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    I don't think humans are evolving at all. Not in good ways anyway. We are such "junk" compared to the ancients (and I don't mean 1,000 years ago). That is why I try my best to think like one. They were so in touch and in tune with the world and the sky.
    If we keep this up, eventually we'll EVOLVE into something no one who lives now could ever foresee. It will not be something of honour, because honour will have been long gone and forgotten at this point. We need to get as radically folkish as we can, in the Heathen way. All the answers we'll ever require on this plane of existence (and beyond?) is within us. And it has been within us since the beginning.
    "The mystery and secret of Wotan is not that "knowledge" of him is passed along through clandestine cults or even through the re-discovery of old books and texts--but rather that such knowledge is actually encoded in a mysterious way in the DNA, in the very genetic material, of those who are descended from him." - Secret of the Gothick God of Darkness

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    Kauz, I don't think we'll physically evolve into anything else. If nothing else, even if it does pan out to be a viable idea, technologically, and sociologically, we've come to the point that there is no longer an impetus to change.

    Now, in our thinking, again as you are saying, in our relationship to the universe, is definitely devolving. The main problem I see is the poison, the Drano poured down the throat of the soul, so to speak, is the lie that all races are equal, and everybody is the same.

    Until this multicultural, race-mixing, everyone-must-govern-themselves-like-a-small-groiup-says-they-should nonsense comes to an end, evolution of thought will remain essentially slammed to a halt.

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    I mean that humanity will evolve into something of soulless machines. When the plague of Darwinism locks it's grip on the masses. It will happen. Not "if", but WHEN. Yet we still sit idle, knowing it's coming.
    I don't understand why our folk constantly insists on a "non-violent solution".
    "The mystery and secret of Wotan is not that "knowledge" of him is passed along through clandestine cults or even through the re-discovery of old books and texts--but rather that such knowledge is actually encoded in a mysterious way in the DNA, in the very genetic material, of those who are descended from him." - Secret of the Gothick God of Darkness

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    Most people will become sheeple few will gain new abilities, spirituel as well as intellectual.

    When you take the heathen path you will evolve. When you take the path of modernity and cultural marxism you will degenerate. Many are waking up now and they will have to carve a future and a new civilization out of what is left of the old knowledge and with the help of the Gods.

    It is better to work with the willing than with the masses. Masses slow you down.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    In norse legend perhaps it is All-father.
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/tml/tml06.htm


    In the vedas they describe an unknown godlike being that "came before the gods".
    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/creation.htm


    The prevailing scientific theory.
    http://www.patrickgrant.com/BBTL.htm

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    Yet, no one will REALLY ever know. Because with using "rationality" you have to SEE something to believe it. So all of these scientists will offer all these ridiculous scientific theories and each generation will have their own "theory" but no belief will ever be firm forever. Because simply, there is no rational answer. It is absolutely, positively IRRATIONAL that we are here at all.
    "The mystery and secret of Wotan is not that "knowledge" of him is passed along through clandestine cults or even through the re-discovery of old books and texts--but rather that such knowledge is actually encoded in a mysterious way in the DNA, in the very genetic material, of those who are descended from him." - Secret of the Gothick God of Darkness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauz R. Waldher View Post
    Yet, no one will REALLY ever know. Because with using "rationality" you have to SEE something to believe it.
    Rationality means using reason and not observation (believe) to come to conclusions (seeing for example). To take you example of having to see something to believe it, an extreme rationalist would dismiss anything that does not fit the theory as hallucinations. The approach of seeing something to believe it is more in line with empiricism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauz R. Waldher View Post
    Yet, no one will REALLY ever know. Because with using "rationality" you have to SEE something to believe it. So all of these scientists will offer all these ridiculous scientific theories and each generation will have their own "theory" but no belief will ever be firm forever. Because simply, there is no rational answer. It is absolutely, positively IRRATIONAL that we are here at all.
    When it comes down to it, whatever you want to call what created the universe, we might as well accept that it happened outside of the boundaries and physical laws that govern this universe, so ANY possibility is as good as another. All we can do is observe, form hypotheses, then theories and keep observing to figure out how it all works now.

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