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    Most of my fellow Englishman do not hate Germans one bit and while there may be some offensive stuff said about the Germans,its normally in a light hearted manner and no offense should be taken.

    I will admit though that at a younger age i did hate the Germans but that was because of the Nazi aspect of Germanywhich i was brought up to hate.............obviously.

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    I'm saying this to you, because you stated in past posts that you were a language teacher (German, French).

    I also think that it is possible if i stayed in England in a family for 4 weeks in my youth, my views regarding England may have been much more favorable.

    You stated somewhere that you in your youth stayed in Germany for some time, and that your impressions were positive. May i ask whether you stayed in a family or were you on your own?
    MPC3, my experiences in Pforzheim were mainly with younger Germans and students in particular but I got on fine with them. Sure, there were some weirdos amongst them and everybody was 'going Green' back then (mid-80s) - you know, stupid stuff like hugging trees in the Schwarzwald because all their mates were doing it but certainly no dafter than our lot from England.

    In fact, they were remarkably similar to the English students on my course (about 15 of us) and if you took away the language you'd have been hard pushed to tell us apart, except that we were drunk far more often. I also think the Germans shaded it intellectually if I were to be perfectly honest and as for all those cliches about Germans being punctual and obeying rules whilst the British are a bit sloppier ... quite true! You know, some policeman even made me recross the road because I'd ignored a red light, which seemed very harsh at the time

    As for my accommodation, I had a landlady who was a strict Catholic and her bloody organ music drove me crazy every Sunday. She wouldn't even leave me in the house with my GF in case we did something she disapproved of so I had to move out, but no sooner had I found my own place than the Jeehova's Witnesses got me because I made the mistake of engaging in a conversation with one in my desperation to learn German It took me 6 visits to finally shake him off and I think I still have those old 'Wachturm' copies somewhere to this day So, Pforzheim will always be about (over)devout Catholics and boring JW's for me - oh, and I shouldn't forget the weekend punch-ups between the Yanks from Stuttgart barracks and the local boys 'up' for some aggro. You can't beat some good, healthy Ausländerfeindlichkeit and I was caught in the crossfire more than once because one side thought I looked German and the other (when I spoke) thought I was American. Hahaha!!!

    All good fun, looking back, but had I gone somewhere else my experiences would have been totally different so do you see the point I'm making here? It's impossible to judge Germans based even on the hundred or so that I met because there are still millions more out there in other places. Actually, based on positive/negative experiences I could perhaps draw a map of Germany and say exactly where I did/didn't like the Germans, sometimes based on as little as a couple of days' stay but then someone else could come along and draw a mirror image of this because they'd been (un)fortunate enough to meet totally different people.

    The first time I took my son to Cologne, for example, they had some kind of 'Gay Pride' week and the hotel was full of homos so he swears he's never going back to that city again, but on the other hand he has a good mate in Dusseldorf which is only about 25 miles up the road and he thinks Dusseldorfers are wonderful (because he knows 8 of them ) but I think we all make this mistake to some degree. Do Germans like all other Germans in different regions? I doubt it, and I know that many English people are biased against those from different towns (or even a different part of the same town) as our football matches remind us every week!

    Still, when I read posts like the one from BroBro telling us about how badly the Brits treat Germans I take it all with a pinch of salt, and if these same people are saying that they wouldn't go to France either then the problem probably lies more with them than the host nation. Now she informs us that 'anti-Germanism exists in the Netherlands' (which I don't doubt!) but it's all a question of degree and I think there's a huge overreaction going on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Is it my imagination or are there rather a lot of these England vs. Germany threads going on at the moment?
    It is called thread-slide.

    Poster Dun Hulm pulled back this old one by posting in it. Maybe someone can merge the main-thread with this old one. The main-thread is currently sticky.

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    I've stated this for years ... British Nationalism is British Elitism. It will one day be a problem we will have to address. I was involved in a few racialist internet groups and as soon as they thought the coast was clear, the Brits would start talking trash on other racialists, especially americans and Germans. It got to the point where threats were made as well as enemies. People are hostile towards america and americans, and as much as I understand this ... they are too dumb to realize that we are the same people essentially. And we are not our governemnt. Do they realise that their country is much worse than america (though not Germany)? So not only are they "racist" but also discriminatory culturally against other Europeans. Again, especially Germans. I'm sure it stems from WWII, but that's ridiculous. I hope they will realise the tree they're barking up is a fatal one. I don't care what race or culture you are .. you talk like that, you're my enemy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Linden View Post
    I could be wrong, but I do believe some people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    I’ve never witnessed any hostilities towards German tourists or German nationals living in England. London appears to be the setting of most of these anti-German stories. London also has a population of over 250,000 Jews. Coincidence?
    Who cares about the masses? Go to British Nationalist websites and forums. ALL kinds of Anti-German and Anti-American rhetoric. Britains problems are the sanme as Germany's and Americas. Same shit going on. So why do they feel they're the pinnacle of the movement?
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    The common 'Nationalist' rhetoric I hear is,

    'Bloody Krauts! Nazi bastards! Two world wars and one world cup!'!'

    Then in the same breath,

    'Tell you what though I'm sick to death of all these niggers and pakis, takin' our jobs and raping our daughters, but don't say nufink bad about Jews! That holocaust Hitler did was bad! Yay for Israel coz they bomb them dirty muzzies!'

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    I think this thread has ceased to serve its original purpose. If we’re going to discuss this serious issue properly can we please refocus on the subject matter? I believe that some worrying generalisations are beginning to emerge within this thread. Over the past few days this thread has deteriorated from something which was genuinely interesting to a thread hijacked by two types of people. The first are simply using this thread as a platform to voice their Anglophobic beliefs, whilst the second are using the thread to list offensive terms an English bigot might use towards a German.

    In a move that may prove controversial, I am now going to put into use an example of devastating Anglophobic behaviour in Germany that affected a relative of mine (bear with me, you will soon understand that I am merely highlighting a point and in no way am I wishing to ‘turn the table’, as it were):

    My Aunt is married to and has two children with a German man. These girls, my cousins, are both in their early 20s and both study at the same university in Berlin. It came as a terrible shock to me when I recently leant that shortly before Christmas my oldest cousin was threatened at knifepoint by a German man because he overheard her mention her dual nationality whilst sat in a bar. I shall not plunge into much more detail, but this bastard intended to rape my cousin at knifepoint because she was half English and ‘’did not belong in Germany’’. Thankfully she avoided harm by giving this man money.

    I’ve since spoken to my cousin via Skype and it’s quite obvious that this Anglophobic attack has affected her rather badly, and from now on she’s decided not to mention her dual nationality in public again. Now, it would be easy for me to mimic/reverse some of the arguments posted in this thread (eg. ‘The Germans desperately hate the English’, ‘The Germans are still sore about the wars’ etc.), but I shall not allow myself to generalise the German people in such a vile manner, as I know this is not the case. In reality, my cousin was unfortunate enough to cross the paths of one of the small minority of backwards thinking people. We have them in England as well, and they do not occupy a significant percentage of the overall population at all.

    I do hope that this thread does not continue to pick faults at the English people. By doing so what does one achieve? I now wish for us to address this matter in a more civil tone. It may sound naive, but ultimately I would like a complete eradication of any hard feelings between the English and German people. There is no use in the two building up hostilities again. We’ve witnessed the effects enough times to know it’s not wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Is it my imagination or are there rather a lot of these England vs. Germany threads going on at the moment?
    Since both of them came from the same root, it makes no sense to me. We're both Germanic brothers, and we need to put aside petty historical feuds and see each other as such. Otherwise we'll both perish.

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    Linden, that I listed what ignorance I commonly hear was not me generalizing as such hence why I put the word 'Nationalist' in such a manner as to highlight the sense of irony. I was in no way making a judgement on the whole movement and was not generalising, yet mocking those among them one finds on a regular basis among them who themselves have generalised views. Those with such daft views as the EDL.

    Such behaviour is of course despicable, but unfortunately is more common than some would have people think and highlights further the bred in distrust among some patriotic types, mainly due to not being able to identify their real enemy or through fear of receiving a reprisal for acting or speaking out against other threats within their own country. They need a release for their anger so who gets it? It's all to easy and sanctioned by the mainstream to bash the 'Hun' and serves as a diversionary scapegoat for their focus.

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    A former Beefeater was thrown out of his local pub for speaking in German, it was claimed yesterday.
    Tom Sharp, 71, says he was talking to his half-German daughter Nichole Falconer, 49, and a few words of the language slipped into their conversation.
    The landlady took exception and told him to leave and when other customers remonstrated they were apparently thrown out as well.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-daughter.html

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    By Kauz R. Waldher:
    I've stated this for years ... British Nationalism is British Elitism. It will one day be a problem we will have to address. I was involved in a few racialist internet groups and as soon as they thought the coast was clear, the Brits would start talking trash on other racialists, especially americans and Germans. It got to the point where threats were made as well as enemies. People are hostile towards america and americans, and as much as I understand this ... they are too dumb to realize that we are the same people essentially. And we are not our governemnt. Do they realise that their country is much worse than america (though not Germany)? So not only are they "racist" but also discriminatory culturally against other Europeans. Again, especially Germans. I'm sure it stems from WWII, but that's ridiculous. I hope they will realise the tree they're barking up is a fatal one. I don't care what race or culture you are .. you talk like that, you're my enemy.
    ... and ...
    Who cares about the masses? Go to British Nationalist websites and forums. ALL kinds of Anti-German and Anti-American rhetoric. Britains problems are the sanme as Germany's and Americas. Same shit going on. So why do they feel they're the pinnacle of the movement?
    Yes, there's a lot of truth in what you're saying here, Kurz! In actual fact, I think this is mainly an English mindset rather than a wider, British one because the various British nationalist movements all express their nationalism in different ways. There is, for example, an anti-English component within Scottish Nationalism but you wouldn't find Scots singing the 'Dambusters' tune at a football match against Germany (despite Scotland being just as involved as England in WW2). In fact, of the 4 home nations, I'd say the English are by far the most Germanophobic!

    So it sounds like you may have stumbled upon our EDL-style English Nationalists here Not the most articulate bunch, but very 'elitist' as you correctly point out and it can be a dangerous cocktail when folks of below-average intelligence develop a superiority complex - especially when they apparently make no distinction between, let's say, Germans and Negroes.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't all begin and end with this type of person though and only the other day I started a thread (entitled 'Idiot') about some middle-aged, middle class buffoon living in rural England who has just spent 4 years taunting his German neighbours (after some minor dispute) by playing Churchill speeches and RAF WW2 music He is just another version of the working-class louts who hate all the non-English in equal measure but you won't find him on Nationalist websites because he wouldn't wish to associate with those he considers as socially inferior ... so we're back to the 'elitist' thing once again

    I'm sure that disillusionment with the whole sh*tty English Nationalism scene was partially responsible for me embracing National Socialism, which many of them would no doubt see as a 'foreign' ideology and thus something to be hated for its own sake!

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