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    The Wooden Ship

    Imagine you bought a wooden ship.
    Over time some parts have to be exchanged for new ones, because of abrasion.
    After 50 Years every single part got exchanged.
    Is it still the same ship?
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    HeHe, I almost have a old truck like that, it is a 89 and I think I replaced almost everything.

    Is she still the same old truck.....yes. As you replace the old parts with the new she still retains the memory that you have for her.

    There are lots of things like that guns, motorcycles, bikes,houses, even furniture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zauberlehrling View Post
    Imagine you bought a wooden ship.
    Over time some parts have to be exchanged for new ones, because of abrasion.
    After 50 Years every single part got exchanged.
    Is it still the same ship?
    Well, one could compare it to the human body, which is in a state of constant cell renewal, supposedly having changed just about every cell in the body every 7 years or so. The question, then, could similarily be; are you the same physical being that you were 7 years ago?
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    I would think numerous nautical details could be salvaged that never need replacing. They would help the owner to preserve a nostalgia for the exploits experienced with the original structure. I have seen many boats where these relics are placed all over the upper and lower decks, as if the newer, modified structure had become a kind of museum for the old. The following are a few easily preserved examples of nautical gear passed down from one reconstructed boat to another:

    The ships wheel
    Compass
    Anchor
    Lanterns
    Life boats
    Hatchway door
    Lightning rod
    Buoys
    Life preservers

    With these old items constantly in use one could certainly feel like they are in the original. You could also take the replaced wood and hire a model ship maker to build an exact scale-sized model of how it looked when you first bought or built it.

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    Everything created has it's own spirit and keeps it. No matter how much you change things.
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    thanks for all your replies
    I think it would be a different ship, because they have no parts in common


    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Well, one could compare it to the human body, which is in a state of constant cell renewal, supposedly having changed just about every cell in the body every 7 years or so. The question, then, could similarily be; are you the same physical being that you were 7 years ago?
    The Judge to Mr Mueller
    "Well Mr Mueller,
    it might be, that no cell of your body is older than 7 years, but legally you are the same person you were 20 years ago and therefore you are still married."
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    Once you remove the last original part, it is no longer the same shiop. I would at least try to keep the frame. If that's not possible, then forget it. It's a different ship. Maybe the old ships' son?
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    Even if you do not remove or replace any parts, wear and tear will change the parts in place and thus over time change the characteristics of the ship and its capabilities. Thus it will be in a state of continuous transformation and never, ever the same ship as at any other time.

    So in the limit—remember that time is continuous—the time of existence for each "ship" will go to zero, wherefore they each can be said to not exist. And if none of the ship's forms can be said to exist, there can be no ship. Just a continuous shiplike function.

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    If the ship has at least the same name, then yes. IF it has that and the same captain, allegiance, and even crew members, its definitely the same ship. You have to remember we're talking about human property here. Even when you're miles away from home on a ship in the middle of the ocean, its still property of some human whom bought or built it or whatever. The ship is the same ship as long there is a human there to make it so; in writing or otherwise.
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    But then we are talking about the ship as a legal entity, and that is something entirely abstract.

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