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Thread: Iowa Caucus Ends in Stalemate, Romney Becomes Presumptive Challenger to Obama

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    Romney got first in New Hampshire, as expected. Ron Paul won the real race, which was for second. Huntsman came in third, and has now dropped out and endorsed Romney. Gingrich & Santorum finished a distant 4th/5th, and Perry barely got 1%

    Romney leads in South Carolina and Florida, and his nomination is pretty much assured.

    For VP, I doubt he will pick one of the favorites like Bachmann or Rubio.

    My bet is on Pawlenty, because he needs someone with a 'working class' background to balance out the ticket, what with him coming from a wealthy family. They used to pick VP based on region to 'balance' the ticket, but now people vote more based on class than they do on region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    For VP, I doubt he will pick one of the favorites like Bachmann or Rubio.
    Bachmann burnt out pretty quickly, I don't think she brings anything to the ticket at this point. And since Romney can lay claim to the Hispanic label himself, there is no need to further pander to Latinos by picking Rubio as VP nominee.

    My bet is on Pawlenty, because he needs someone with a 'working class' background to balance out the ticket, what with him coming from a wealthy family. They used to pick VP based on region to 'balance' the ticket, but now people vote more based on class than they do on region.
    Santorum also comes from a workingclass background. Santorum also won 2 statewide elections (US Senate) race in Pennsylvania - he lost relelction in 2006 as part of the Bush backlash. Pennsylvania is in play this year, along with Ohio & other parts of the White bluecollar rustbelt, so a White Ethnic Catholic (Santorum is Italian & Pawlenty is Polish) would make more sense then pandering to the pro-diversity Republicans by nominating Bobby Jindah or Nikki Haley. But never underestimate the GOP compulsion to do the dumb thing.

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    Personally, I all think it is a bit planned in that Romney appears to be the "laughing third", meaning that you'll have another "moderate" oppose Obama without a chance when it comes to the ballot.

    If all somewhat "conservative" candidates who are obvious lagging behind would resign from the race and endorse Paul, then chances would be that he would win the Republican nomination by a large margin, and in turn stand quite the chance to unseat goode olde Mulatto Barry.

    At any rate, something seems very fishy, and I don't exactly like the sounds of it. Asides from disagreeing with him on many issues and the fact that he's a little old for the office, Ron Paul might be the best bet America has left from a preservationist viewpoint.
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    Iowa just released the certified results this morning. Rick Santorum actually beat Mitt Romney by 34 votes. I doubt it changes anything now.

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    Well, after Newt Gingrich has won South Carolina in a dominant way, I´d think that the whole race is open once again. What do the US American Skadites think?

    That the Republican party is split between so many candidates is a negative sign...it could lead to the re-election of Barack Obama because he would benefit from the discord.

    Rick Santorum (he is called the only real rightwing-conservative candidate here in Europe) as the candidate, Gingrich or Bachmann as vice-candidates. I guess this wouldn´t be the worst outcome of the nominees race!?

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    I think the GOP is trying to shove yet another worthless candidate down our throats. Both parties are heading us to communism, it is just that the Democrats are more in your face about it. I am voting for Ron Paul regardless because his Libertarian views are closer to my own. If Obama is reelected it will be the end of the U.S. as we know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thusnelda View Post
    Well, after Newt Gingrich has won South Carolina in a dominant way, I´d think that the whole race is open once again. What do the US American Skadites think?

    That the Republican party is split between so many candidates is a negative sign...it could lead to the re-election of Barack Obama because he would benefit from the discord.
    Every presidential election has a lot of candidates at first. After the primaries are over then people align with their parties to support who won the primaries.

    The media is trying to say it is a bad thing because conservatives are split behind their man. They are trying to boost the negro and dishearten the people who are against him. This is very similar to how BHO got elected, some people because of the hype over him did not even vote because they thought he would win by a huge margin( he did not win by a very big margin). The media also knows the only Republican that BHO stands a chance against is Romney, so they try and promote him.

    Rick Santorum (he is called the only real rightwing-conservative candidate here in Europe) as the candidate, Gingrich or Bachmann as vice-candidates. I guess this wouldn´t be the worst outcome of the nominees race!?
    I have learned long ago that what is considered conservative in Europe is not what is considered conservative here in the US. I remember some friends from Germany saying Clinton would be considered conservative by European standards.

    Personally, at this point in time I'm just glad the other negro has dropped out of the race. I did not like his 999( nein, nein, nein )plan as it would not have worked. His case was where the media with their biased meddling actually did something good, because I believe he would have beaten BHO. I would have a hard time standing another negro as president again.
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    I would respectfully disagree. This election is showing that there's a great deal of friction between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives in the GOP.

    Mitt Romney: Favorite of the elites, but he raises the hackles of social conservatives because he's more liberal on social issues. He's making an attempt to show that he cares about guns and fetuses at the 11th hour, but they're just not buying it. The media won't touch this issue, so I'll point out that his Mormon faith is a huge problem for many of the "religious right" types.

    New Gingrich: Left congress in disgrace years ago. Has many enemies in both parties. Proven adulterer. Who thought this guy was a good idea?

    Rick Santorum: I don't think it's a stretch to say that this election will swing on economic issues. Ricky has tunnel vision and remains fixated on his old obsession: abortion. He's been relentlessly mocked by the media for likening the Iraq war to Tolkien's Lord of the Rings and stating that he thinks contraception should be illegal. He will scare away moderates and libertarians.

    The reason the candidates are such a freakshow? GOP politicians who have a chance at the White House in the future are biding their time and sitting this one out. The incumbent has a massive advantage, after all...

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    I think the GOP is trying to shove yet another worthless candidate down our throats. Both parties are heading us to communism, it is just that the Democrats are more in your face about it.
    Maybe not Communism so much as a quasi-Capitalist system where bankers and hidden oligarchs call the shots from behind the scenes. But yes, both parties are vile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thusnelda View Post
    Well, after Newt Gingrich has won South Carolina in a dominant way, I´d think that the whole race is open once again. What do the US American Skadites think?
    I think Gingrich received a lot of pity votes. The interview with his ex-wife that aired just before the primary made him look like a victim of the liberal media. Regardless of whether he wanted an open marriage (when married to wife #2) he is undeniable that left wife #2 to be with wife #3 but what right does wife #2 have to complain, Gingrich left wife #1 to be with wife #2. It came down to chosing between a man (claiming to be a mainstream Christian) on his third wife vs. the Mormon guy still married to wife#1.

    Romney also has the problem of seeming out-of-touch because of his wealth. And he is the former governor of Massachusetts & Massachusetts is a dirty word to Conservatives.

    That the Republican party is split between so many candidates is a negative sign...it could lead to the re-election of Barack Obama because he would benefit from the discord.
    Gingrich is unelectable. He knows it, most likely he is running for the money making opportunities it will afford him after he loses.

    Rick Santorum (he is called the only real rightwing-conservative candidate here in Europe) as the candidate, Gingrich or Bachmann as vice-candidates. I guess this wouldn´t be the worst outcome of the nominees race!?
    Santorum is a real social conservative but a neocon in foreign affairs.

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    The GOP party is split up and lacks cohesiveness and the poisonous media isn't making the issue any better. It's coming down to a battle of ideological identity rather than a battle of real solutions and principles.

    I've watched many of the debates that have transpired and all they do is give me a headache and leave a sour taste from watching Romney, Gingrich and Santorum flip-flop along issues and give no real solutions to the problems that this country faces.

    All they do is spat lip-service to their supporters and political constituents; and blatantly play us all as fools. It's a game of 'Bull-Shit' and nothing more than verbal diarrhea.

    Dr. Paul has my support 100%, because he's the only candidate capable and credible enough to tackle most of our problems here. But, the establishment and the media doesn't want a "radical" candidate in office like Ron Paul. A candidate who has already laid out how he's going to fix things; cut a trillion dollars in the first year, end birthright citizenship, stop foreign aid, downsize the gov't and restore prosperity. Sounds like common f'ing sense to me, but for some sick and twisted reason people would rather live in a downward spiral to dystopia.

    I am looking forward to Dr. Paul winning or coming in 2nd in a lot more primaries and caucuses so he can scare the establishment even more.
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