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    Quote Originally Posted by Unity Mitford View Post
    I hope this happens

    Unfortunately, it most likely won't. England is getting deeper and deeper into multiculti BS every day it seems, and the school curriculum just flocks to this like flies to a carcass. I hate to be a downer here, but really, it's true.

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    I don't know that this is such a great idea.

    With less teaching about WW2, they will fill it with teaching about crap instead no doubt. And instead of teaching nothing about Nazi Germany or WW2, they should be teaching the facts about why it happened, and who is responsible, and the relevance it has today.

    But of course that's too much truth, that is probably why they are trying to end it. The less focus on Nazi Germany, the more focus on multicultural modern crap.

    That is not going to help us

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    I don't know that this is such a great idea.

    With less teaching about WW2, they will fill it with teaching about crap instead no doubt. And instead of teaching nothing about Nazi Germany or WW2, they should be teaching the facts about why it happened, and who is responsible, and the relevance it has today.

    But of course that's too much truth, that is probably why they are trying to end it. The less focus on Nazi Germany, the more focus on multicultural modern crap.

    That is not going to help us
    But the proposal is to spend more time teaching ENGLISH history.

    WW2 can and will still be taught but with less emphasis on the Holocaust™ - this is all they're proposing at this stage and I fully agree with this!

    TBH, I don't see the validity of the argument you're presenting here. Are you saying that we should not remove any of the rubbish from the school curriculum because (you assume) they'll simply fill the gap with even more rubbish?

    I'm afraid that poor situations will never improve so long as people are more frightened of the changes than they are of the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    But the proposal is to spend more time teaching ENGLISH history. WW2 can and will still be taught but with less emphasis on the Holocaust™ - this is all they're proposing at this stage and I fully agree with this!
    Oh yeah, that's obviously what the system is proposing. Less emphasis on "the Holocaust™".... not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Are you saying that we should not remove any of the rubbish from the school curriculum because (you assume) they'll simply fill the gap with even more rubbish?
    That's exactly what I'm saying. If you think for 1 minute that the people in power are doing this to help us in any way, or that there is any benefit to us in it, perhaps you haven't seen what they have been teaching us for the last half century and more.

    They will have thought this through from every single possible angle, and all the angles that reflect off that angle very carefully.

    So don't start jumping for joy till we've done the same. That's what I'm saying.

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    Obviously the British history they'll replace it with will be British involvement in slavery, or the history of the Romany in Britain, or the history of the Jews in Britain, or the persecution of the Irish by Britain. I don't remember a subject (except maybe English) that was more shamelessly loaded than history with in-your-face politics.

    The reason he wants a focus on WW2 to be dropped is that he believes it fosters bad blood between young Britons and a key element of the rich-in-potential-for-generations-yet-of-genetic-cultural-and-political-pollution entity that is the European Union. He doesn't care about intra-Germanic relationships. He cares about relationships with Germany in its capacity as figurehead of a political Europe -- one including all the vermin of Eastern Europe, and soon also all the vermin of Asia Minor -- that he wishes to lessen our instinctive apathy toward and intellectual distance from, so that our youngest generations will be infinitely receptive both to its hideous politics and its genetic detritus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Well, Roy, at the risk of sounding defeatist I'd say they were very slight indeed!

    I think you're onto a loser if you try and set up anything outside of mainstream education nowadays, given what's at stake for the social engineers who want as long as possible to work on the minds of as many as possible! The authorities would never allow significant numbers of children to quit state education, thus missing out on several years of indoctrination and in some countries these independent initiatives are simply declared illegal - full stop! I would even go as far as to say they'd trump up some kind of child abuse charges against you if you were too successful and they couldn't somehow regulate you out of business via masses of legislation/paperwork etc...
    I have always wanted to teach my children myself at home but it was never an option as I could not afford not to work...here are the UK goverment's guidelines:

    What's required of you
    The facts about home education are:
    - you do not need to be a qualified teacher to educate your child at home
    - your child is not obliged to follow the National Curriculum or take national tests, but as a parent you are required by law to ensure your child receives full-time education suitable to their age, ability and aptitude
    - any special educational needs your child may have must be recognised
    - you do not need special permission from a school or local authority to educate your child at home, but you do need to notify the school in writing if you're taking your child out of school
    - you will need to notify the local authority if you are removing your child from a special school
    - you do not need to observe school hours, days or terms
    - you do not need to have a fixed timetable, nor give formal lessons
    - there are no funds directly available from central government for parents who decide to educate their children at home
    - some local authorities provide guidance for parents, including free National Curriculum materials
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/parents/...ool/dg_4016124

    It's far less prescriptive than I had imagined actually...the kind of thing that could be achieved between a like-minded group of parents thus taking the pressure off wage-earners.

    However, the LEA (local authority) can come check you are providing 'acceptable' and 'adequate' teaching:

    Local authorities can make informal enquiries of parents who are educating their children at home to establish that a suitable education is being provided. If your local authority makes an informal enquiry, you can provide evidence your child is receiving an efficient and suitable education by:
    writing a report
    providing samples of your child's work
    inviting a local authority representative to your home, with or without your child being present
    meeting a local authority representative outside the home, with or without your child being present (representatives have no automatic right of access to your home)
    If it appears to the local authority that a child is not receiving a suitable education, then it might serve a school attendance order.

    Although you're not legally required to inform your local authority when you decide to educate your child at home, it is helpful if you do so. The only exception to this is where your child is attending a special school under arrangements made by the local authority. In this case additional permission is required from the authority before the child's name can be removed from the register.
    If you are taking your child out of school to home educate them, you need to inform the school in writing. It's advisable, but not compulsory, to inform your local authority of any significant changes in your circumstance relevant to your child's education, like a change of address.
    So not as draconian as I thought.
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    Hmm, there doesn't appear to be anything too restrictive on paper despite some subjective areas, usually involving the word 'suitable'. Also, this is aimed at private individuals intending to educate their own kids as opposed to (for example) setting up your own institution as I think Roy was suggesting.

    Thanks for digging this up though, Thorbrand. It's an interesting document and one which would encourage me to go down this route if circumstances permitted and my son was 15 years younger. I've already told the tale (several times, probably to the point of boring everyone ) about how I got him through a 6-year German course with an 'A' grade in under 6 months so it gives an idea of the low academic levels in state education and makes you realise that the task of teaching 7 or 8 subjects over a period of several years really isn't that daunting - I'm convinced that most reasonably-educated folks could do it!

    Coming back to WW2/Holocaust™ matters, here's a book that I was once told to teach history from ...


    I've just scanned a single column, which starts with a (faked) photograph of a 'mass grave' and ends with Himmler bragging about how he'd already killed 6 million Jews in January 1945. Complete nonsense I'm afraid, but if true it would mean that the mythical 6 million figure is actually an underestimate, given that the war continued for another 3½ months!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post

    I've just scanned a single column, which starts with a (faked) photograph of a 'mass grave' and ends with Himmler bragging about how he'd already killed 6 million Jews in January 1945. Complete nonsense I'm afraid, but if true then it means that the mythical 6 million figure is actually an underestimate, given that the war continued for another 3 and a half months!
    Excuse me, but the text states that 6 million jews had been gassed by January 1944 (prior to D-Day, the Soviets were assaulting the Dnjepr Rive line, which still deep in Ukraine and Ukraine). Thus the 6 million claim is put up with the Red Army still 1.000 km east of Auschwitz.

    But it goes along with this:

    1943: The Church of England Knew 6,000,000 Jews Would Be Killed
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=145211
    Whether it's 1943, 1944, 1945 obviously doesn't matter. The number of "6 million 'gassed' jews" is the only parameter that is fixed---before, during and after WW2.

    Thanks for posting the image. It's already copied and in my archive.

    Quote Originally Posted by BP
    "By January 1944, in fact, 6 million Jews had been slaughtered in the 'Final Solution' "
    That is what the text in your image says. 6 million, and that before the Hungarian jews arrived, before they were rounded up only after March 1944 (see Skorzeny raid to oust moderate Hungarian president Admiral Horthy and to replace him with Hungarian NS-leader Ferenc Szalasi on order of Adolf Hitler). This overtake allowed to round up much of the jews in Hungary (apparently George Soros was spared out as he continued to work in the Hungarian Ministry of Agriculture) , who then were deported into camps such as Auschwitz, and according to the legend, 'gassed' between June-October 1944.

    You may wonder why the total of 6 million was not trumpeted up by adding the Hungarian jews to the 6 million, to let's say 6,6 million?

    Well, from the same reason the total was not decreased when the Auschwitz museum in 1991 lowered it's "4 million alone in Auschwitz !" figure to "1,5 alone in Auschwitz !"





    The Deportation of the Hungarian Jews
    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Auschw...arianJews.html

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    Thanks for that correction, MCPThree!

    Yes indeed, the text clearly states 6 million dead Jews by January 1944 (I'd missed this ) and then Himmler declares the same '6 million' figure a whole year later.

    So, did they decide on a 12-month armistice for killing Jews or what Now I'm getting really confused!!!

    It makes you wonder though - what chance have the pupils got of making sense of any of this?

    Incidentally, here is the school book in which one can find all this (dis)information ...


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    I have a better suggestion. British schools should intensify their "nazi" studies, especially in the field of "nazi" economics. Here is an excellent lecture by Mark Weber to start with:

    Mark Weber - How Hitler Tackled Unemployment and Revived Germany's Economy (Part 1)


    Mark Weber - How Hitler Tackled Unemployment and Revived Germany's Economy (Part 2)


    Mark Weber - How Hitler Tackled Unemployment and Revived Germany's Economy (Part 3)


    Mark Weber - How Hitler Tackled Unemployment and Revived Germany's Economy (Part 4)


    Maybe they will actually learn something new..

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