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Thread: France and Germany Are Lagging Behind Britain on Aid Spending to Poor Countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCPThree View Post
    Yes and? The Germans never had an worldwide Empire, while Britain had and according to Cameron still has ("our interests in Somalia") .

    The British Empire's ideology (there was none, nor is it about race) is "plundering the world for greed and profit to enrich oligarchs like Rothschild, Sassoon, Levita, Levi, Bronfman and the Overclass"

    Why in the world should the Germans, Scandinavians, Irish etc share the burden of colonialism that rests like a millstone around Britain's neck?

    The Germans help already the French who have the same burden, albeit on a smaller scale. But France is not Britain, they came to reason in the 1950s and decided to befriend the Germans, coming to terms with them. But reading the British press as of 2011 one thinks it is always 1914 in London and the Fleet Street outlets. And especially in the Daily Mail with it's weekly "Hitler exposed" spin.


    I do believe pre-WWI Germany did indeed have colonies world wide, German East Africa, German South West Africa, and the Islands in the pacific and I am not sure if there is more....and have you ever heard of New Amsterdam, Dutch East Indies, etc, or the fact that Sweden had several colonial areas in North America. but alas it doesn't matter what matters now is we need to stick together or we are all going down....

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    Quote Originally Posted by prodeutsch View Post
    I do believe pre-WWI Germany did indeed have colonies world wide, German East Africa, German South West Africa, and the Islands in the pacific and I am not sure if there is more...
    They were stolen by the British Empire during and after the war. Also Germany bought them, most were former Portuguese possessions. By 1900 Portugal was a third class power, and Spain was second class, especially after the US-Spanish War of 1896.
    Remember that one? You know, when the oldest cruiser (USS Maine) of the US-Navy suddenly exploded in the port of Havana/Cuba. Germany did not obtain any colony by military conquest, while the US acquired a few in this war, amongst them Hawaii, Philippines and some others.

    Quote Originally Posted by prodeutsch View Post
    .and have you ever heard of New Amsterdam, Dutch East Indies, etc, or the fact that Sweden had several colonial areas in North America. but alas it doesn't matter what matters now is we need to stick together or we are all going down....
    Yes, but what do they have do with Germany?
    And they too were acquired by the British not by purchase, but over military conquest. See Dutch-Anglo Wars. Just like Canada, see Anglo-French Wars and Seven Years War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbite View Post
    And this is a bad thing how?

    Not France and Germanys' or anyone elses job to take care of other countries.

    It's sad that the West is falling apart and we are still expected to babysit the world.
    Read my mind. As sad as it may seem that other beings suffer in the world it is so, nothing can ultimately be done as the world and universe is chaotic. It is not the job of others to cripple themselves by doting on the irreversibly crippled.
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    The article makes it sound as if its a bad thing when its a well known fact that these so called 'poor countries' are now richer than Britain.In the case of India,some of the Indians have begged Britain to stop giving them foreign aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticviking View Post
    Things like this is why the EU sucks.

    Why should a false entity such as EU be able to tell countries what they are to do with their tax dollars?

    It destroys the rights of people to have their own sovereign nation.

    The EU wont be lasting long at this rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCPThree View Post
    They were stolen by the British Empire during and after the war. Also Germany bought them, most were former Portuguese possessions. By 1900 Portugal was a third class power, and Spain was second class, especially after the US-Spanish War of 1896.
    Remember that one? You know, when the oldest cruiser (USS Maine) of the US-Navy suddenly exploded in the port of Havana/Cuba. Germany did not obtain any colony by military conquest, while the US acquired a few in this war, amongst them Hawaii, Philippines and some others.


    Yes, but what do they have do with Germany?
    And they too were acquired by the British not by purchase, but over military conquest. See Dutch-Anglo Wars. Just like Canada, see Anglo-French Wars and Seven Years War.
    I believe I was pointing out the fact that it wasn't just the French and the British that had colonies, they just happened to be the best at it. German South west africa was taken by south Africa and many of its pacific islands by the Japs....but that is neither here nor there. I am not going to get into an argument about military conquest, Prussia had quite an interesting past with its neighbors including their brothers in Austria. But I am quite satisfied with the outcome...Pan-Germania

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    Thumbs Down British people 'should feel pride' in how much we give away in foreign aid: Bold claim of Tory minister

    British people 'should feel great pride' in how much cash is given away in foreign aid, according to a Conservative minister.
    International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell amazed listeners as he compared sending money overseas to important national events such as the Olympics and the Diamond Jubilee.
    At a time when the economy is teetering on the brink of disaster, the MP's comments have caused outrage among critics of the UK's escalating aid budget.
    The Government has drawn fierce opposition from some back-bench Tory MPs with its aim of increasing spending to 0.7 per cent of GDP, in line with UN targets.
    But Mr Mitchell insisted that the costs could boost national security as much as the Army, RAF and Navy, in an interview with the Telegraph in Nepal.
    He said: 'Our security is not just provided by soldiers and tanks and fighter jets, it is also provided by training the police in Afghanistan, by building up governance structures in the Middle East and by getting girls into school in the Horn of Africa.
    'Those things are all part of what makes us safer.'
    He admitted that it was hard selling the budget increase to voters in light of the 'difficult', but said Britons should be proud to assist projects such as assisting schools in developing countries.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-minister.html

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    CV, I had the misfortune to watch the press preview on Sky News late last night and there were two goons sat in the studio gushing about how 'proud' they felt as Britons to be doing so much for the Third World It seems like Cameron is reacting to the growing unease on the Third World Aid issue (that is becoming a hot potato!) and the Establishment media is now having to find stooges to put in front of the cameras to back him up

    I think it may even have been this article they were discussing in fact because I recall them blathering on about 'if we can provide education for little Muslim girls in Somalia they won't become radicalised terrorists in years to come' (... er, no, we'll just invade Iran instead and achieve it that way!!!)

    This kind of 'logic' (?) is just an insult to the intelligence and ranks right up alongside that gem of wisdom about the Afghan war 'keeping our streets safe'. Inevitably, Afghanistan is also mentioned in the article because now, apart from the cost of the war itself, we're landed with the bill to mend all the damage done to this sh*t-heap of a place - honestly, who dreams up all of this stuff?? Well actually, most folks on here already know but until there's a public realisation of how world bankers are pulling the strings of our puppet politicians we are condemned to this situation forever!

    In the meantime, it seems like we're stuck with an economic system that ensures the deaths of thousands of British pensioners through cold and starvation every winter whilst the UK government spends their cash in nice sunny places like the Horn of Africa! I'm sorry, but this is an anomaly that no number of wafflers on Sky TV or 'humanitarian' scribblers in newspapers like The Guardian will ever be able to justify

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    British people 'should feel great pride' in how much cash is given away in foreign aid, according to a Conservative minister.
    International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell amazed listeners as he compared sending money overseas to important national events such as the Olympics and the Diamond Jubilee.
    Govt thug and goon. Our taxes are used to grease palms so that his bankster bosses can do "business" in the 3d world and pocket money for themselves.


    But Mr Mitchell insisted that the costs could boost national security as much as the Army, RAF and Navy, in an interview with the Telegraph in Nepal.
    Non-sensical

    He said: 'Our security is not just provided by soldiers and tanks and fighter jets, it is also provided by training the police in Afghanistan, by building up governance structures in the Middle East and by getting girls into school in the Horn of Africa.
    'Those things are all part of what makes us safer.'
    What makes us safer is locking down the immigration counter, rounding up the illegals and radicals and sending them home so their own mob can deal with them according to their own cultural and value systems.

    Any countries getting a bit uppity can easily be bombed back to the stone age. "Foreign Aid" is not required to achieve this.


    He admitted that it was hard selling the budget increase to voters in light of the 'difficult', but said Britons should be proud to assist projects such as assisting schools in developing countries.
    They sell it as money for "schools" and "wells for the poor villagers" but it's a con. Taxes are simply used to grease up the third world's chieftans so that the Plutocrats and Parasites in our countries can reap the financial rewards.
    ~ **** Democracy! It's 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what's for dinner.

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    India's Finance Minister referred to the financial aid given by Britain to his country as nothing more than 'peanuts', it is claimed.
    It is also claimed that Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers tried to reject the money - around £280million a year - from the UK in 2011, but the British Government 'begged' them to take the money.
    The Sunday Telegraph claims that the Indian government were disposed to reject the money in April last year, because of the 'negative publicity of Indian poverty' highlighted by the aid.
    According to official transcripts, Mr Mukherjee said: 'We do not require the aid. It is a peanut in our total development exercises.'
    Figures show India's economy is booming - and may eclipse Britain's economy within the next decade.
    The row over aid to a booming country was exacerbated by the news last week that French firm Dassault Rafale was selected as the preferred bidder to supply 126 military jets to the Indian air force.
    It was hoped the £13billion deal would be given to the UK - with Government officials claiming the £1billion of aid paid out to India over the last five years would help win the investment.
    The British bid, by BAE Systems, which builds the Eurofighter Typhoon jet, was consigned to second place.
    International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell said in December that Britain’s controversial foreign aid programme was partly designed to win the bid.
    The aid package is 15 times larger than the £18million France sent to India in 2009.
    Asked to justify Indian aid last year, Mr Mitchell said: 'It's a very important relationship. The focus is also about seeking to sell Typhoon.'
    The decision was also a setback for David Cameron, who visited India in 2010 with six Cabinet ministers and around 60 businessmen to try to establish Britain as the ‘partner of choice’ for India.
    During Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons, Mr Cameron said he was 'disappointed' by the decision.
    He said: 'We don't expect any job losses stemming from this decision and it does not rule out the Typhoon for India.'
    He insisted BAE Systems was still in the hunt for the contract, despite losing the first round of bidding.
    Indian officials said Dassault emerged in front because the Rafale jet was ‘much cheaper unit-wise’ than the Eurofighter.
    It was reported that Dassault slashed its price demands to ensure the deal was done.
    One Indian defence ministry source said: ‘The Indian air force, which is well-equipped with French fighters, is favouring the French.’ The Rafale jets will replace India’s ageing fleet of Russian MiGs.
    According to financial advisers Merrill Lynch, India has 153,000 dollar-millionaires — a 20 per cent rise in a year, compared with Britain’s own paltry increase of less than 1 per cent.
    Such is the economic power of India that it now gives out more foreign aid than it receives, and has handed over £3.5billion to cement relations with impoverished Africa.
    Meanwhile, it invests huge sums in ambitious projects: £2billion will put the first Indian astronauts into space by 2016, and the annual defence budget tops £22billion, with a third aircraft carrier now under construction in an Indian shipyard.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-offer-us.html

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