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    The Huns

    Ammianus states that they arrived from the north near the ice-bound ocean. Now, this was probably a sea he was referring to because Romans were unlikely to have known of the Arctic ocean, and even today plenty of oceanographers don't consider it to be an ocean but a sea, so we need to look elsewhere. The Black Sea? It borders the Steppes but would be too warm to be considered an ice-bound ocean; the Romans also didn't refer to it as an Ocean but a Sea (the Euxine Sea). The Mediterranean? No they would have been recorded as coming from the south. The Caspian? Too warm to be ice-bound. But how about the Baltic Sea? The Romans probably knew of it, but had very little contact. For all they knew, it could have been an ocean just like they though Scandinavia was an island. It certainly suits the description of being ice-bound. Could the Huns actually have been another Gothic people or maybe Finnic people that migrated southwards with the Goths?
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    Huns

    The Huns were definitely not connected to the Goths. They were a Mongoloid people from central Asia. Quote from Archaeology, a Definitive Guide. "We can say confidently that they came from east of the Volga river. Some scholars place their origin in the Altai mountains near China". They had absolutely no knowledge of seafaring. They were a nomadic people and their country was described as the back of a horse. Around 370 AD the Huns attacked the Alans and almost destroyed them. Then they turned their attention to the Goths. This caused a great upheaval in the Gothic populations and around 100,000 of them asked for asylum inside the Roman territory. I put the story of this in another post.

    Again from Archaeology: "The origin of the Goths is shrouded in mystery. Some scholars believe they originated in Scandinavia, others trace them archaeologically to the area along the lower Vistula river where it empties into the Baltic sea, in the 2nd century AD. They appear in the historical record in 238 AD when they sacked the city of Histria at the mouth of the Danube."

    The Goths ranged far and wide over the centuries. Along the eastern side of the Carpathian mountains, on up the Danube and into the Balkans. They were even credited with destroying one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world. The Temple of Artemis at Ephesus in western Turkey in 262 AD. In 410 AD they sacked Rome. The 1st time in 800 years Rome was occupied by barbarians. In 451 AD, they and other Germanic tribes defeated the Huns in a great battle in southern France.

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    The history of the Huns lies even more shrouded in history than that of the Goths. Nothing seems to be certain about them. Even the language they spoke is up to anybody to guess. They seem to come out of nowhere in the 4th century into Europe. And as for the Mongoloids, there are plenty of people who claim otherwise, and from the Heterogeneity of the Huns (when referring to the people who made up the culture), it will be hard to ever tell.
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    The Huns were mongoloid Asian invaders, straight out of Central Asia. Supposedly, they lived near China before they disappeared, only to re-appear in Europe. I have no idea if all the Huns were mongoloids, or if they drafted any conquered White people into their horde.

    I can only congratulate the Goths and Romans for kicking them out of Europe.

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    The modern location of the Finnic-Ugric languages. The Magyars (Hungarians) didn't enter Pannonia until after the fall of the Roman & Hunnic Empires.


    The modern location of the Turkic peoples. Obviously in the Roman Era they were not in modern-day Turkey.

    The Huns were one or the other. And I think it is likely that the Romans knew of the Artic seas in the far north.
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    Well, the Huns were not a homogenous nation, so all the cultures probably influenced each other. But the Huns and Goths both seem to have been horseback riders, the former more than the latter, but they both have had horsemen. As well, according to Priscus, the Huns drank medos, which is probably their word for mead. Now, we may never know who was influenced by who, or if there was any influence from one to another.

    And as for the Huns being Mongoloids: the Scythians have generally been thought to be Mongoloids as well until about the 20th century. There culture spread as far as China and Mongolia, but that did not mean they were Mongols. The mummy of a blond Scythian warrior about 2500 years old was found in western Mongolia though. Even though there was probably some miscegenation of these people with Asiatic Mongoloids, the vast majority of the people were Europoid. There are more remains of Scythians than Huns, so until enough remains of real Huns, not people absorbed by them, will be found to put up a valid conclusion of their ethnicity and race, there is no telling.

    As for my first post on this thread, it was merely put up as a possibility: food for thought, not to be carved in stone and preached.
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    wasn't "Huns" used as a swearword for the Germans in WWI or generally?

    to me the Huns were equivalent to the Mongols/Tatars

    Tartars from Greek Tataros, meaning the Hellish/Infernals, likewise a swearword
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karpaten Befreier View Post
    Ammianus states that they arrived from the north near the ice-bound ocean. Now, this was probably a sea he was referring to because Romans were unlikely to have known of the Arctic ocean,
    Not true, in fact Hyperborea was placed in the arctic ocean by Pomponius Mela, a Roman Geographer in AD 43. He named the Orkney Islands as well as "Scatinavia" the latin name for Scandinavia, so they were well aware of the arctic. Ammianus, born between 325 and 330 would have most likely gone from works passed down from Pomponius, if Pomponius was even the first to be aware of the arctic ocean. Most likely many came before Pomponius with their knowledge of the arctic oceans, both north and south.

    I refer you also to Maps of The Ancient Sea Kings: Evidence of Advanced Civilizations in the Ice Age ... http://www.amazon.com/Maps-Ancient-S.../dp/0932813429 ... it puts forth not only physical historical maps, but a high probability that most which were chartered in the 1600's and prior most likely came from maps possible thousands of years ago.

    For example, the Piri Reis map ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map ... is a good argument that Antarctica was charted back to possibly the 4th century BC if the source maps were from the Library of Alexandria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark mind View Post
    wasn't "Huns" used as a swearword for the Germans in WWI or generally?
    Yes.

    Hun' was a derogatory nickname used primarily by the British - officers rather than men - during the First World War to describe the German Army, e.g. "the Huns attacked at dawn".

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