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    Are Dinarics Common in Germany?

    I didn't know whether this should go in the physical anthropology section or this one (it is a question about Germanics after all). So, sorry if I made a mistake.

    I was just curious as to the amount of Dinarics in Germany, since my uncle, a Dinaric, lives in Stuttgart and is often mistaken for a Turk. I thought in the south there are more Dinarics and Alpines (when compared to the north), so this really seems odd. Of course, anybody who's a bit darker than the German standard can easily be mistaken for a Turk or something of that sort, especially a Dinaric. So, how common are they in Germany?

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    This may help.
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=1142173

    It is the whole region of the Bavarian dialect which shows the strongest element of Dinaric race. In south Bavaria and Austria what we find is a predominance of this race -- a predominance which grows more and more decided as we near the south-eastern boundary of the German-speaking area. But strains of Dinaric blood reach from these regions as far as the west of the German-speaking area; while in eastern Switzerland, in the Hotzenwald (south Baden), and in the Vosges (Alsace) we seem even to find once again a predominance of the Dinaric race. Dinaric blood hardly goes north of the line of the Main.

    http://www.white-history.com/earlson...eoehchap6b.htm

    In southern Germany the influence of the Dinaric race was apparent, whereas in the German northwest Nordic elements prevailed.

    http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/...01origins.html

    Middle Franconia lies definitely south of the Borreby-Brünn racial frontier; its inhabitants belong mostly to the Alpine and Dinaric races, with many intermediate forms. The Noric type, a blond brachycephal with incipiently Dinaric facial features, seems to be relatively common, and is probably a Nordic brachycephalized through Alpine and Dinaric mixture

    The southern Germans, from southern Baden to eastern Bavaria, are basically Alpine, with strong, often predominant, Dinaric tendencies
    While the group just mentioned lives in the Rhine Valley, on a high-road of migration, the Swabians of Genkingen live in an isolated mountain environment. They are almost exclusively Dinaric and Noric, especially the former
    www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/chapter-XII5.htm

    RACE AND POLITICS
    In Germany, the Communists will suffer certain defeat at the hands of the superior Nordic and Dinaric Germans, but, meanwhile, their Jew‑run Republicans will try to bluff Europe into concessions by the threat of German Bolshevism
    http://www.google.com.br/search?q=ca...pt-BR&ie=UTF-8

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    Thanks, Ronan. But something doesn't make sense then, why would people think he's a Turk then?

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    The Dinaric influence in southern Germany is strong, HFK Günther estimated it to be at around 15% for the whole German speaking area(in his time the overwhelming majority of German Dinarids lived in southern Germany). As someone living there this doesn't seem too far off to me and many people show a Dinarid influence even if they're predominantly of a different subrace.

    It's highly unusual to mistake a German Dinarid for a Turk (the typical Turk would be a combination of various local forms of Mediterranid, Armenoid and Asiatic Alpinids), since the former look vastly different even from the Balkan Dinarids who in turn look different from Turks.
    That's especially odd since it happened in southern Germany where people know what a Dinarid looks like and also know what a Turk looks like since we have plenty of them, sadly.
    Is your uncle fully German? Pigmentation is not the major difference between a German and a Turk, morphology is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Is your uncle fully German? Pigmentation is not the major difference between a German and a Turk, morphology is.
    Well, there are a lot of Turks who are just Turkicised Balkans people (Dinarics).

    As for my uncle, I believe there is some Hungarian admixture (from the Szeklers of Transylvania), but I'm quite sure he's mostly German. He looks sort of like Jean Reno, if that helps.

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    It's naive to assume that those Dinarids that were brought over to Turkey in the times of the Ottoman Empire didn't intermix with the local population there.

    Reno looks unlike every German I've ever seen but then again I wouldn't mistake him for a Turk either.
    Maybe it's the Hungarian influence in your uncle that gives of a Turkish vibe, Hungary is subracially quite a mixed bag.
    "Man kann sich heute nicht in Gesellschaft um Deutschland bemühen; man muss es einsam tun wie ein Mensch, der mit seinem Buschmesser im Urwald Bresche schlägt und den nur die Hoffnung erhält, dass irgendwo im Dickicht andere an der gleichen Arbeit sind." - Ernst Jünger

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    Are Dinarics Common in Germany?

    From the Racial Compact;

    Germany = 25% Borreby (most common in the Rhine and Ruhr valleys and the north), 20% Fälish (most common in the north), 15% Alpine (most common in Baden and Bavaria), 15% Noric, 6% Keltic Nordic (most common in the old Frankish country in the southwest), 5% Anglo-Saxon (most common in the northwest), 5% East Baltic, 5% Dinaric, 4% Hallstatt Nordic = 80% Nordish (60% central and 20% periphery types)

    Switzerland = 40% Keltic Nordic and 30% Noric (most common in the north, west and center), 15% Dinaric and 15% Alpine (most common in the south and east) = 70% Nordish (40% central and 30% periphery types)

    Austria = 35% Noric, 25% Dinaric, 20% Alpine, 15% Keltic Nordic, 5% Hallstatt Nordic = 55% Nordish (20% central and 35% periphery types)


    The source is not infallable but you can see Dinaric is more common in the Alps region so it would seem Dinaric in Germany would be common in the far south of the country.

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    I think the Dinarid impact on Bavaria is continuously overrated and overstated. I´m from the eastern part of Bavaria (the region in and around the Bavarian Forest), and predominantly Dinarid people aren´t visible in a common way. Well, I´d say that 5-10% of Bavarians show some quite clear Dinaric influence, but that doesn´t mean that they look like Balkan Dinarics or even Turks - there´s a huge difference between them.

    Most Bavarians are Alpine, Borreby -> Sub-Nordid (a mix of Alpine and Nordid), with some lesser Faelid, Dinarid and Keltic-/ and Halstatt Nordic elements.

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    I think the racial differences between the south german (Austria, Bavaria etc) and the north german areas are marginally and often overestimated.

    There are also a lot of Nordid people in Bavaria as well as darker ones in the North. I could not differentiate a "typical" North German from a "typical" Austrian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildebrandt View Post
    I think the racial differences between the south german (Austria, Bavaria etc) and the north german areas are marginally and often overestimated.

    There are also a lot of Nordid people in Bavaria as well as darker ones in the North. I could not differentiate a "typical" North German from a "typical" Austrian.
    That's probably true for typical/average examples.
    However there are certainly types that are more common (Alpinoid) in southern Germany or even largely absent (Dinarid) in the north. Likewise there are types in northeastern Germany that are largely absent (East Baltid) in southern Germany.

    It's true though, that the differences became more and more evened out in the last few hundred years and especially since the post-war era, due to the increased social mobility and intra-German migration.
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