National Socialism vs. Capitalism

[karolvs]

I am sure there is another thread along these lines, but I couldn't find it, so if the mods need to move this, be my guest, thank you.

Now, onto the subject. I agree with the Nationalistic aspect of course. I tend to lean towards isolationist views of defending our borders and keeping outsiders out, or expelling those who have already infiltrated a system.

As for the economic views, I don't know that I fully understand a socialists view, so maybe some of you here can help me in this. As for capitalism, I can give some pros and cons from my experiences. The free market should work...supply and demand should interact well, however the US government takes an active role in adjusting prices, especially of crops, and that has lead to socialism being viewed as terrible here. Free trade is ridiculous in my opinion, we should worry more about our economy than letting businesses make cheap products in other countries to ship them here.

Benefits include the ability to succeed. Working for what you have, and having the responsibility of it. The welfare state here in the US is abused constantly by minorities, and they are taught how to game the system from generation to generation.

Anyways I wanted to get a good conversation going on the benefits and downfalls of each system to compare. I was a political science major, however, they tend to not discuss National Socialism much, due to political taboos, and I concentrated on U.S. politics, since that is where I live.

[VonHayek]

[Note: Discussion split from this thread.]

The difference is, the third reich was very good in the beginning...

I don't see anything good in socialism [whether it is national or international, religious or materialistic].

[MCP3]

I don't see anything good in socialism [whether it is national or international, religious or materialistic].

A very untypical opinion for a German, Russian or Ukrainian. But more typical of a Pole and/or Polish-German mix.

Ethnicity: German
Ancestry: Silesia
Country: German Empire
State: Russia German Community
Location: Silesia

Why ? Poles are pro-Western, Russians and Ukrainians are NOT or not necessarily.
In fact all Russian and Ukrainain Nationalists love Socialism (they call themselves SN = Social Nationalists) and ideas such as race-laws and people's community ("Volksgemeinchaft") , which they have in common with the Germans and all three Scandinavian nations.

Just for the General Public: Silesia is in Poland today, or under "Polish occupation" as German nationalists like to say in agreement to the German Basic Law (constitution) until 2+4 Treaty of 1990 changed the official FRG view.

Every good german should be against third reich, every good russian should be against soviet union and every good european should be against european union.

Strangely enough you show Black-White-Red. The colors of the Reich.
Also i never heard that Russian returners (Volksdeutsche Aussiedler) prefer the Polish Republic ("Silesia") before the Federal Republic of Germany.

[VonHayek]

A very untypical opinion for a German, Russian or Ukrainian. But more typical of a Pole and/or Polish-German mix.

If contempt towards socialism is a direct indication of being polish, then I can be polish [around 30% of eastern Germany is carrying "polish" Haplogroup R1a, so it shouldn't be bothering you].

Why ? Poles are pro-Western, Russians and Ukrainians are NOT or not necessarily.

I am not pro-western nor pro-eastern. My standing depends from the existing political circumstances.

In fact all Russian and Ukrainain Nationalists love Socialism

Yes, I'm sure that after decades of food reglamentation, gulags, political abuse of psychiatry, banned private property and 100+ million dead bodies socialism is still the wet dream of russian and ukrainian nationalists.

Strangely enough you show Black-White-Red. The colors of the Reich.

Solely by accident. I do not fetishize colours.

[MCP3]

Yes, I'm sure that after decades of food reglamentation, gulags, political abuse of psychiatry, banned private property and 100+ million dead bodies socialism is still the wet dream of russian and ukrainian nationalists.

Yet that is the case, not only with those who call themselves SN (Social-Nationalists) and Agrarists (basically a codeword for "Blut und Boden" aka Blood and Soil) but also from the Neo-Bolshevik side. The latter actually dream of a revival of the Soviet-Union, the former want a "New Europe" in alliance with Germany/France/Benelux.

Both are the nightmare of Polish nationalists, from obvious reasons. Because neither in the "New Europe" nor in a revitalized USSR Empire there is a place for an independent Poland. If Hitler and Stalin agreed on anything , then it was surely Poland as a quarreling factor that needs to be neutralized/eliminated for the greater good of Russia, Germany, Europe and for the sake of world peace.

And as we both know the Founding Father of modern Poland (Polish Second Republic 1919-39) Marshal Pilsudski fled from Siberia (where he was deported to, Sachalin to be exact, just like 10.000s other unruly and sassy Polish nationalists during the 19th century, see the record of Polish terrorism and uprises between 1815-1910) by the Czarist Regime to Austria-Hungary where he actually became the commander of the Polish Legion fighting against Russia in WW1 on the Austrian side.

For the general public: There was no such thing as a Polish state all throughout the 19th century . All European powers including England (!) agreed to the proposals of Czar Alexander on the Vienna conference 1815
that an independent Polish state would pose a threat for European stability and security. So the "Duchery of Warsaw" became a part of the Russian Empire, just like the Baltic States.

So here your resentment of both (Marxist-) Socialism and nationalist oriented Socialism (NS, SN, Agrarism, Italian/Spanish Facism) is in fact very polish and very untypical for Russian or Ukrainian people .

[VonHayek]

Yet that is the case, not only with those who call themselves SN (Social-Nationalists) and Agrarists (basically a codeword for "Blut und Boden" aka Blood and Soil) but also from the Neo-Bolshevik side. The latter actually dream of a revival of the Soviet-Union, the former want a "New Europe" in alliance with Germany/France/Benelux.

If a person from the former eastern block is still trying to flirt with socialism in 21st century [in any shape or form], then it means that he or she needs a good psychiatrist as fast as possible [be it polish, russian or german nationalist].

Socialism should be especially insulting to everyone with german ancestry, because it was germanic people who invented the most prolific intellectual tool against sozialismus and marxismus called the austrian school of economics.

National socialism is attractive only for revolting teenagers with dermatological conditions.

Every good german [with IQ above 70] who cares about the developement of his country should be reading Menger, Böhm-Bawerk, Wieser, Lachmann and Hayek.

Both are the nightmare of Polish nationalists, from obvious reasons.

I doubt that polish nationalists have nightmares about germans anymore. They are perfectly aware of turkish "minority" [10%+] in Germany, which will be doubled or trippled in the upcomming years. So considering the muslim birth ratio, there is a high probability that Poland will soon border the caliphate of brandenburg.

If Hitler and Stalin agreed on anything

Thankfully both of those disgusting socialists are long gone.

And as we both know the Founding Father of modern Poland (Polish Second Republic 1919-39) Marshal Pilsudski fled from Siberia (where he was deported to, Sachalin to be exact, just like 10.000s other unruly and sassy Polish nationalists during the 19th century.

Pilsudski was a socialist just like hitler and stalin [every socialist is a missing link between monkey and human in a theory of evolution]. But as a german you should be grateful to pilsudski. After all he was a german agent [just like Lenin] and his military genius has stopped the bolshevik invasion of western europe.

see the record of Polish terrorism and uprises

It was "the virus of romanticism" ["for yours and our freedom"]. Polish intelligentsia was deeply infected with this miserable disease. It was highly criticized even by the 19th century polish conservatives [mainly Krakow historical school]. If not the destructive virus of romanticism poland would probably sign the anti-comintern pact and march with germans to moscow.

All European powers including England (!) agreed to the proposals of Czar Alexander on the Vienna conference 1815

Is there a country in Europe that wasn't backstabbed by the english?

[velvet]

the austrian school of economics.
... Menger, Böhm-Bawerk, Wieser, Lachmann and Hayek.

Oh yes, we certainly need more laissez-faire capitalism and liberalism. The list alone of "decorations" for your name choice makes you an anti-German, and you maybe better stop insulting people in this generalised manner, or I predict that you wont reach your 10th post.

I doubt that polish nationalists have nightmares about germans anymore. They are perfectly aware of turkish "minority" [10%+] in Germany, which will be doubled or trippled in the upcomming years. So considering the muslim birth ratio, there is a high probability that Poland will soon border the caliphate of brandenburg.

More anti-German vibes....

I agree with MCP3, what you spouse is very untypical for Germans and Russians, but smells Polish very much.

[VonHayek]

Oh yes, we certainly need more laissez-faire capitalism and liberalism.

Socialism is one of the main reasons why muslims travel en masse to nordic countries. Northern welfare states encourage them to do so. They get paid for going to school, they get paid for having kids, they get free universal health care. In real [highly competitive] laissez-faire environment muslims wouldn't be able to compete with Europeans [nor would they have a stimuli to migrate with their large families].

Socialism is dying in front of our eyes. European union and it's primitive income redistribution system is a sinking ship, while socialist greece has already gone bankrupt. Next in line we got Zapatero's socialist Spain.

Germans need to stop being obsessed with that mentally ill painter from Braunau and it's about time to realize that he was a political and economical dilettante who gifted jews with lifelong victim status race card.

I won't even mention that his mindless berserk costed germany western territories, war reparations, destruction of dresden and death of many valuable prussian junkers...

More anti-German vibes....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_i...n_distribution

In 2010, the Embassy of Germany said that there are 3.5 million people of Turkish origin living in Germany and that a further 3 million Turks have spent part of their lives in Germany.[3] Other estimates suggest that there are now over 4 million people of Turkish descent living in Germany.

Is wikipedia also anti-german?

[Jäger]

If contempt towards socialism is a direct indication of being polish, then I can be polish [around 30% of eastern Germany is carrying "polish" Haplogroup R1a, so it shouldn't be bothering you].

Being Polish and carrying a Haplogroup dominant in Poland are two very different things.

Socialism is one of the main reasons why muslims travel en masse to nordic countries. Northern welfare states encourage them to do so. They get paid for going to school, they get paid for having kids, they get free universal health care. In real [highly competitive] laissez-faire environment muslims wouldn't be able to compete with Europeans [nor would they have a stimuli to migrate with their large families].

Haven't you read Adam Smith? After a libertarian system makes our society more wealthy and better even the poor will be better off here than in a society which is not as wealthy.
They would still be incited to come, wouldn't they?

Have a chat with a brother in spirit:

I guess he is Polish, or Jowish

[velvet]

Socialism is one of the main reasons why muslims travel en masse to nordic countries. Northern welfare states encourage them to do so. They get paid for going to school, they get paid for having kids, they get free universal health care. In real [highly competitive] laissez-faire environment muslims wouldn't be able to compete with Europeans [nor would they have a stimuli to migrate with their large families].

Simple solution: kick out the foreigners and close the borders.

The individual cannot be the solution to a group problem. Liberalism therefore is no solution, but in fact, the problem.

Socialism is dying in front of our eyes. European union and it's primitive income redistribution system is a sinking ship, while socialist greece has already gone bankrupt. Next in line we got Zapatero's socialist Spain.

Never mind that this "souvereign debt crisis" is a game played by the capitalists in Wall Street. And that could bring down every state.

Germans need to stop being obsessed with that mentally ill painter from Braunau and it's about time to realize that he was a political and economical dilettante who gifted jews with lifelong victim status race card.

Heard a thousand times. Doesnt become less bullshit through repeating it ad nauseam

Is wikipedia also anti-german?

I'm very well aware of those numbers, but the question is why you brought it up? Here, in this thread, entitled "Is National Socialism a Germans' Only Ideology". It has only in so far to do with the topic (but that is not why you mentioned it) as the presense of National Socialism in Germany never had allowed for this invasion.


On the other hand, your pet ideologies of liberalism, internationalism, "free" trade, capitalism, multikultism, etc are the systems in place under which this invasion occured, actually designed this invasion, and which with its "human rights" terrorism campaigns against this "evil protectionism", "right-populism" and everything remotely nationalistic or "intolerant" and not to forget the dissemination of the holohoax religion - and which know no greater enemy than National Socialism. Hmm