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    Are Kilts Germanic?

    Why do people on Skadi adopt the stereotypical Scottish image with the kilt? When the kilt is in fact not Germanic, but Celtic tradition.


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    The kilt is a knee-length garment with pleats at the rear, originating in the traditional dress of men and boys in the Scottish Highlands of the 16th century. Since the 19th century it has become associated with the wider culture of Scotland in general, or with Celtic (and more specifically Gaelic) heritage even more broadly. It is most often made of woollen cloth in a tartan pattern.

    The kilt first appeared as the great kilt, the breacan or belted plaid, during the 16th century and is Highland Gaelic in origin, a full-length garment whose upper half could be worn as a cloak draped over the shoulder, or brought up over the head.

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    Well the reason that that symbol is probably used here is because it is the ethnic dress of Scotland. Scotland is considered by many to be Celtic however there is a strong Germanic presence with the intermingling of the Norse Vikings in the highlands and islands and of Anglo-Saxons and Normans in the lowlands and southern uplands.
    Now to call the kilt a Celtic invention is not entirely true…it is a Scottish highland in origin and was developed after the Norse Vikings had settled and somewhat colonized the highlands and islands. The Irish referred to the people in those parts as Gall-Gael or foreign Gael which is in part because they are an admixture of Norse and Gael. So when you look at it this way it can be said that the kilt is just as equally Germanic and Celtic as the people of that area are descended from both cultures.
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    If you had cared to read the article further you would have read:

    The kilt first appeared as the great kilt, the breacan or belted plaid, during the 16th century and is Highland Gaelic in origin, a full-length garment whose upper half could be worn as a cloak draped over the shoulder, or brought up over the head. <b>The philibeg or small kilt, also known as the walking kilt (similar to the modern kilt) was invented by an English Quaker from Lancashire called Thomas Rawlinson sometime in the 1720s</b> for the use of the Highlanders he and Ian MacDonnell, chief of the MacDonnells of Inverness employed in logging, charcoal manufacture and iron smelting, for which the belted plaid was "cumbrous and unwieldy".[1]

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    A warrior from the Oseberg Tapestry reconstruction. Is this a kilt, or are they baggy pants? Baggy pants were much more common with Swedes, as they were more oriented towards asia where the baggy pants originated from.



    The other warriors on the tapestry clearly use two legged pants, you can see that the legs are parted.



    Nille Glæsel also argues in her book about viking clothing that they used kilts.

    I haven't done any research in this field, but I think there are more sources to build on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    If you had cared to read the article further you would have read:
    Uh…yeah I have read that entire article before…and many books on the subject. As a matter of fact my masters thesis concerns Viking age Scotland and I have written about the kilt. When you hear “Gaelic” in reference to the Scots you can assume that there is a Norse element in it. After all the Clans of the Highlands and Islands developed in the are where the Norse colonized/settled. So the use of Gaelic in that wiki article is in reference to the Gall-Gaels.

    Now in that article when it says that the kilt is a 16th century invention there is debate still about that. What is certain is that the little kilt of today is a much more modern innovation…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ægir View Post
    Now in that article when it says that the kilt is a 16th century invention there is debate still about that. What is certain is that the little kilt of today is a much more modern innovation…
    Which is what I was saying by referencing it.

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    The romans and other ancient europeans wore great plaid-like wool cloaks over own tunic and this mix preserved in these insulated place like Ireland or Scottland to the early modern era. The continuation with the belted plaid and kilt is described above.

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