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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf in the West View Post
    Americans ARE NOT Europeans, the day your great grand daddys, set sail and set foot on the new world you became something new, you are genetically white, Caucasian, Aryan, whatever you call it, but not European.
    The day the people left European soil for good, they stopped being Europeans. Being European means to stick to the land, the countries and the people in times of greatness and in times of harship. Truth be told, running away for a new promising land is a notice of resignation to the old one.

    Some left owing to hardship. Some owing to religious anomalies. Some others left to avoid prosecution. Some were cowards, some were adventure seekers. But all of them left Europe and deserted to their people, families and countries.

    Americans aren't Europeans. They are castaways by choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    Americans aren't Europeans. They are castaways by choice.
    But they are still Germanics

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    Quote Originally Posted by blutundboden View Post
    But they are still Germanics
    That's something most of them need to learn again, though. ''America Hell yeah!'' is a counteracting concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    The day the people left European soil for good, they stopped being Europeans. Being European means to stick to the land, the countries and the people in times of greatness and in times of harship. Truth be told, running away for a new promising land is a notice of resignation to the old one.

    Some left owing to hardship. Some owing to religious anomalies. Some others left to avoid prosecution. Some were cowards, some were adventure seekers. But all of them left Europe and deserted to their people, families and countries.

    Americans aren't Europeans. They are castaways by choice.
    Again, we aren't Europeans--I've no issue with this.

    However, it's rather presumptuous of you to categorize those who left Europe to settle here in the manner that you've done. Who are you to judge people now hundreds of years dead as deserters and castaways? You have no concept of what they must have been going through to make such as decision as to uproot themselves and their families to sail thousands of miles across the ocean to a place that they'd never been and had only head tale of. I am very sure that somewhere along the way, siblings of your direct ancestors came here, thus, you spoke of your own kin in your post above.

    I've read a lot about the immigrant generations and the heartache and home sickness was very strong but they did what they felt was right at the time, given the political, religious & social conditions of what ever time and place they were in.

    It must be easy to sit at your computer in 2012 and cast judgement on people who lived hundreds of years ago and who surely thought they had no other option for their own well-being that to risk coming here. How brave of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    Being European means to stick to the land, the countries and the people in times of greatness and in times of harship. Truth be told, running away for a new promising land is a notice of resignation to the old one.
    A nation should not be a prison and indeed where they are men should use every means available to break free from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post

    Some left owing to hardship. Some owing to religious anomalies. Some others left to avoid prosecution. Some were cowards, some were adventure seekers. But all of them left Europe and deserted to their people, families and countries.

    Americans aren't Europeans. They are castaways by choice.
    All of the above is right except for one. Were these the same cowards who conquered the North American continent in a little less than 270 years. I speak for my own countrymen as well as my neighbors to the North, Canada. From the time of the pilgrims landing in Plymouth Rock in 1620, till the defeat of the plains indians in 1890, the continent was ours. No one can take that historical fact from us. So we may be all you said and hell I will throw in another word, peasants, but we were not cowards.

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    American today versus American pre 20th century. Thats the problem to me, when you think American pre 20th century you think European decent. When you think American today you think Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, Half-Breeds(Look at our Leader), Rap, McDonalds, KFC, Global Police, Jews, Open Border, and I could go on forever. That is not America. We are not Europeans but Americans and Americans to me are the ones of European decent, not what you see today. So I am proud to claim to be American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson View Post
    However, it's rather presumptuous of you to categorize those who left Europe to settle here in the manner that you've done. Who are you to judge people now hundreds of years dead as deserters and castaways?
    From the view of the ones who were left behind and couldn't or didn't want to leave, they were. Don't take it as an indignity but as a measurement. Europe has been in difficult and tough situations throughout the centuries but it were the people who stayed that made our home a better place. Again and again. It must have been promising to hear of a new far-away land where you can start all over again, with own acres and new rules yet to be made. To leave all known problems and sorrows behind and set sail for something new. Seducements and temptations.

    But it still stands: Preservationists don't flee and leave for good. Europe is on fire? You can stay, burn your hands and help to extinguish the fire. Or you can leave. It's no reproach to you or any other living American member. Your home is America now.
    It must be easy to sit at your computer in 2012 and cast judgement on people who lived hundreds of years ago and who surely thought they had no other option for their own well-being that to risk coming here. How brave of you.
    The ones who left for America were great workers and had an incredibly difficult job to create a country out of nothing in nowhere's land. Credit where credit is due. They were working hard. But they weren't working for their own original countries and not for the land of their people and forefathers. Generation later, the children of the settlers bombed down Germany to dust so that they could apply their ideas and ideologies of "freedom" and "equality" on us.

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    All this bickering is pointless.

    You are all Germanics living on one side of the pond or the other. Regardless of where you were born, we all need to be united under one goal and be of one mind. Isn't that the point of a forum like Skadi....

    I'm not European OR American...I'm a Canadian. If I still adhere to European traditions, then that doesn't make me European...its just how I was raised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    But it still stands: Preservationists don't flee and leave for good. Europe is on fire? You can stay, burn your hands and help to extinguish the fire. Or you can leave.
    Europe and its countries were in no danger of irreversible destruction when Americans' ancestors emigrated. The concept of preservation did not exist because birth rates were high and third world immigration was non-existent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    Generation later, the children of the settlers bombed down Germany to dust so that they could apply their ideas and ideologies of "freedom" and "equality" on us.
    No. They went to war because their country commanded them to do so and did as any nationalist would do at the time.

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