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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson View Post
    It must be easy to sit at your computer in 2012 and cast judgement on people who lived hundreds of years ago and who surely thought they had no other option for their own well-being that to risk coming here. How brave of you.
    Hitler was of the belief that the Anglo-Saxon settlers, and later those from Germany, were more vigorous and energetic than the people who stayed behind in England and Germany- precisely because they had the spirit to brave the unknown by coming to the New World.

    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    Generation later, the children of the settlers bombed down Germany to dust so that they could apply their ideas and ideologies of "freedom" and "equality" on us.
    A false assumption as these doctrines of "freedom and equality" already existed in Europe thanks to the pernicuous influence and legacy of the French Revolution and the rise of the various Marxist-inspired political gangs (the social-democrats as Hitler referred to them, as they were called in Austria and Germany). It's largely from contact with European political thought of the radical espousers of "democracy" that the US became infected with the notion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Autosomal Viking View Post
    Europe and its countries were in no danger of irreversible destruction when Americans' ancestors emigrated. The concept of preservation did not exist because birth rates were high and third world immigration was non-existent.
    There also wasn't a self-serving fifth column in any western nation that was hellbent on gutting any strong nation (England, France, Spain, etc.). Traitors were dealt with pretty much as, up till a certain point, they were always dealth with.
    Last edited by Elfriede; Monday, July 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 PM. Reason: Merged multiple posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf in the West View Post
    Americans ARE NOT Europeans, the day your great grand daddys, set sail and set foot on the new world you became something new, you are genetically white, Caucasian, Aryan, whatever you call it, but not European.
    This is a forum for people who are proud of their shared Germanic ancestry, a historic/genetic background that transcends geographical boundaries. If you really feel that the differences between Americans and Europeans are that significant then I have to wonder why you are on this site in the first place. By stating that Americans shouldn't try to "act European" you are denying the one common trait that we are all supposed to have to be members of this site, a shared heritage that originates in a specific part of Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf in the West View Post
    Stuff like paganism... it just wont fit in my opinion, im not even religious but Christianity is Americas religion, always has been. We even have our own vikings, the cowboys. Its all well and good to celebrate the traditions of our ancestors, but i think there's a line to be drawn, i just think its silly to see a person born and raised American acting like a Norsman.
    Without igniting another debate about the validity of christianity as a part of Germanic heritage, the fact is that there are a lot of modern white Americans who feel no affinity toward the jewish god of christ and who have instead found spiritual resonance in the old Gods of our folk. To you it may seem as though we are being "silly" and "acting like a Norsman" but to us what we are doing is reviving the natural and long oppressed religion of our folk.

    And about the "cowboys", I hate to burst your bubble but the original cowboys were Spaniards. They were called vaqueros, a term that eventually transformed into "buckaroos" when Texans in the 1840's and 50's started adopting the Spanish cattle ranching practices that were required in the arid American west. The spanish origins of the "cowboy" are quite evident in the names of associated aspects of "cowboy" culture too: lariat or lasso, rodeo, even chaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    Hitler was of the belief that the Anglo-Saxon settlers, and later those from Germany, were more vigorous and energetic than the people who stayed behind in England and Germany- precisely because they had the spirit to brave the unknown by coming to the New World.
    So was nearly every other Eugenicist out there. Madison Grant for one. It's perfectly logical; who is more energetic, the boy who goes out into the woods to play or his brother who sits at home to avoid being scared?

    Whether that dooms the entire English nation to never being able to reach the level of energy of the New World is a different question. I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    From the view of the ones who were left behind and couldn't or didn't want to leave, they were. Don't take it as an indignity but as a measurement. Europe has been in difficult and tough situations throughout the centuries but it were the people who stayed that made our home a better place. Again and again. It must have been promising to hear of a new far-away land where you can start all over again, with own acres and new rules yet to be made. To leave all known problems and sorrows behind and set sail for something new. Seducements and temptations.

    But it still stands: Preservationists don't flee and leave for good. Europe is on fire? You can stay, burn your hands and help to extinguish the fire. Or you can leave.

    To stay put, was neither possible nor desirous and to do so would have meant the complete overthrow of the current order, which would have done more harm than good. For this the creation of new nations under a new order was mandatory, to allow those to remain under those conditions which suited their nature and at the same time to provide conditions for those who’s nature was contrary. And this quelled that great animosity between leader and follower so that for a while there was little strife between men of both capacities.

    The new nations were not to be defined by the default of ancestry and this is where the split between the old nationalism of Europe and the new ideal truly resides. That men were not plants, destined to one corner of dirt but instead would go forth into all the corners of the world and establish their right to do so where they improved the land they settled, and this they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodericus View Post
    So was nearly every other Eugenicist out there. Madison Grant for one. It's perfectly logical; who is more energetic, the boy who goes out into the woods to play or his brother who sits at home to avoid being scared?
    I don't know if Hitler had eugenicist tendencies or not; I've always seen him as more of a social Darwinist than anything else, which may've made him aware to some extent of biological and physiological differences between racial groupings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autosomal Viking View Post
    Europe and its countries were in no danger of irreversible destruction when Americans' ancestors emigrated. The concept of preservation did not exist because birth rates were high and third world immigration was non-existent.
    European countries weren't in danger of extinction but they were plagued by famines, wars, epidemics, poverty, servitude and natural challenges like the 'Little Ice Age' which affected harvest and agriculture on a large scale.

    All employable and healthy men and women were needed but lots of people with potential and money left for good to America, increasing the hardship for the ones left behind. Most people in America are of mixed European ancestry. That's the implication of leaving the home of their forefathers and families behind.

    As a matter of fact, my respect for all those who brought their life and health at stake to win through all difficulties here in Europe, in their lands of their blood, is higher than my respect for the ones who bid farewell to their countries, people and families to set sail for a foreign land not connected with anything Germanic.
    No. They went to war because their country commanded them to do so and did as any nationalist would do at the time.
    And to destroy and ruin the original lands of their ancestors. Great deal. It adds more evidence to the conclusion that Americans are no Europeans. If 'German-Americans' had a sufficient feeling of connectedness with Germany they hadn't climbed the bombers to burn German towns along with their population to mere heaps of ashes and hadn't raised their guns in line with Afros, Indians or Russians to whack up Germans who were fighting for a German Germany independent of international high finance and their political demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    The day the people left European soil for good, they stopped being Europeans. Being European means to stick to the land, the countries and the people in times of greatness and in times of harship. Truth be told, running away for a new promising land is a notice of resignation to the old one.

    Some left owing to hardship. Some owing to religious anomalies. Some others left to avoid prosecution. Some were cowards, some were adventure seekers. But all of them left Europe and deserted to their people, families and countries.

    Americans aren't Europeans. They are castaways by choice.
    People left Norway for Iceland in the late 700's due to religious prosecution, adventure and hardships. Greenland was the "promised land" for the Icelandics. When both those places became tough they set up a few settlements and trips to Markland, Vinland and Helluland.

    Just confirm for me that the early Icelandic, Greenlandic and North American settlements by the Norse were cowards who deserted their people, families and countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autosomal Viking View Post
    No. They went to war because their country commanded them to do so and did as any nationalist would do at the time.
    Not quite true as the German brand of nationalist during the Second World War was potentially different because it was a nationalism, partly or fully, that was motivated by the idea of loyalty to the folk and the fatherland. An American nationalist wasn't motivated by a similar idea as far as I'm concerned- rather by the Constitution, "democracy," and so on. Germans were motivated by the artificial construction of national borders but the "ein volk, ein reich" mentality wasn't found anywhere else, except perhaps in the japs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svanhild View Post
    All employable and healthy men and women were needed but lots of people with potential and money left for good to America, increasing the hardship for the ones left behind. Most people in America are of mixed European ancestry. That's the implication of leaving the home of their forefathers and families behind.
    Most people in America are Americans, period. Who gives a crap if they had a great great great great grandmother who was Welsh/Polish/Manx/French/Spanish/Danish? No one really (besides Italians of course). They are Americans, American is an ethnicity that belongs to the majority of the inhabitants of the United States of America.

    You think you're somehow 100% pure tr00 Germanic in Germany? Think again

    Celts:

    Slavs:


    Germans probably have more slavic blood than Americans or any other Germanic country anyway. People here are seriously failing to realise that the formation of the American identity was exactly the same as the formation of every other European identity.

    As a matter of fact, my respect for all those who brought their life and health at stake to win through all difficulties here in Europe, in their lands of their blood, is higher than my respect for the ones who bid farewell to their countries, people and families to set sail for a foreign land not connected with anything Germanic.
    I bet you must have no respect for those Prussians then, or any other German who bid farewell to their homes for a foreign land and ended up east of here, not connected with anything Germanic!


    And those men at Jamestown and of the later 13 Colonies had such a fairytale time, no war and bloodshed at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodericus View Post
    Most people in America are Americans, period. Who gives a crap if they had a great great great great grandmother who was Welsh/Polish/Manx/French/Spanish/Danish? No one really (besides Italians of course). They are Americans, American is an ethnicity that belongs to the majority of the inhabitants of the United States of America.
    I beg to differ on this one. American to me is a political or national term rather than one of race- there is no American ethnicity to me and, had I to choose an ethnicity, it'd be British (or Diaspora British, British-American, Anglo-American, or any other appropriate term).

    What's going to happen when the European-descended Americans are no longer the majority in a once white-majority country? Then calling them the "American ethnicity" would look strange, if being Europids is the sole precondition for being an American.

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