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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodebert View Post
    The last line kind of got to me a bit.
    Then read it more carefully. Youll notice I was criticizing the idea of some wideranging WESTERN culture, not US culture. I said its an American idea (which it is) and its not relevant to people with a real indentifiable culture (which its not). Nowhere did i say that americans cant be included in this--if they have a real, valid culture that is. What I want to know is--do they? I lived in the middle east for sometime when I was a kid and even though their culture is crappy, its got deeper roots and you cant just sign up. Sorry man (modern) Americas just different.

    Look, I dont deny that there was once a rich culture in America, but its lost its way and dragged the rest of the world with it. THAT's what I and many other Europeans resent. Even when i lived in UK some places were shockingly amercanized so that it seemed there was only some kind of superficial 'England' left in the place I was. And no, there wasn't a dark face or a slant eye in sight. There are more than one ways to kill a culture.

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    An interesting thought experiment that came to mind would be how a particular European ethnic group would view and relate to America and descendants of their own group living in America, if their native language had become the official language of the US and their own ethnic group the dominant one. I can't help but feel as though the relationship between Anglo-saxon Americans and the English, Irish and Scottish is markedly different from that of any other European group. The shared cultural ties, language for one thing, should provide for less friction between the two groups and perhaps a stronger sense of kinship. Case in point, I don't see many islanders among the "belligerents" in this thread, but I do see alot of continental Europeans.

    I think the language question might be underestimated on both sides as it relates to American-[insert specific European ethnicity] relations. Even if an American has German ancestry, perhaps even making up the majority or the entirety of that person's ancestry, knowing that that person speaks English, i.e not German, but rather a foreign tongue, as his mother's tongue, is bound to cause a rift between the two groups. To understand this one merely needs to consider the relationship between two European born individuals, say one German and one Swede. The German might have Swedish ancestry, but if he talks to a Swede in German, and has to communicate in this language, then he will be considered as a foreigner. The problem is not isolated to the transatlantic divide, it exists down to the national level, in all directions.

    The anglo-saxon language and heritage of the New World places it in a special and unique relationship with its mother nation, a relationship which isn't replicated with the other European nations and which is a seemingly endless source of alienation, rejection and or a combination of the two. If Swedish would have become the official language of the US, and the country built on the foundation laid by the New Sweden colony, then I can't help but sense that there would exist a similarly unique, innate bond between the descendants of Swedes living over there and us Swedes living in Sweden.

    It might be wise to consider this going forward. Language matters. If you don't speak my language, you are a foreigner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stig View Post
    Then read it more carefully. Youll notice I was criticizing the idea of some wideranging WESTERN culture, not US culture. I said its an American idea (which it is) and its not relevant to people with a real indentifiable culture (which its not). Nowhere did i say that americans cant be included in this--if they have a real, valid culture that is. What I want to know is--do they? I lived in the middle east for sometime when I was a kid and even though their culture is crappy, its got deeper roots and you cant just sign up. Sorry man (modern) Americas just different.

    Look, I dont deny that there was once a rich culture in America, but its lost its way and dragged the rest of the world with it. THAT's what I and many other Europeans resent. Even when i lived in UK some places were shockingly amercanized so that it seemed there was only some kind of superficial 'England' left in the place I was. And no, there wasn't a dark face or a slant eye in sight. There are more than one ways to kill a culture.
    What you are describing is globalist "culture." America is not defined by McDonald's and Starbucks. Those are corporations that just got started here. Neither are Germanic Americans defined by Tupac and Snoop Dogg. Most of us hate this crap taking over the world just as much as you do, so stop blaming us for it.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    What you are describing is globalist "culture." America is not defined by McDonald's and Starbucks. Those are corporations that just got started here. Neither are Germanic Americans defined by Tupac and Snoop Dogg. Most of us hate this crap taking over the world just as much as you do, so stop blaming us for it.
    Are you going to say that Americans havent fallen victim to consumerist garbage? That you dont on the whole define yourselves by what you can buy, sell, consume? You do, and you have for a long time ... and its got its claws into the rest of us. I've seen it with my own eyes, i know your culture. Probably know it better for the unbiased 'ousider's' view of it I've had--plus the fact I've had alot to compare it to, and not just European. I dont resent the average american, that would be missing the point. I do, however, resent the modern US and what it represents nowadays. No-one said anything about 'Tupac' or popcult trash, you're either dodging or missing the point. Never have I blamed average people either. You're all victims of the same crap thats got us now. You were just the first.

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    I'm proud of being both American and of European blood. and I definitely think us white Americans should embrace both our roots, and our land. It's the most sensible thing to do and I'm definitely not fond of elitism from either side.
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    Can someone honestly throw me a link or provide an explanation? I want to know what exactly "defines" modern-day Germanic American culture, as an ignorant modern-day Germanic American..

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    As regards accusations of elitism - one side may see elitism, while the other may see an inferiority complex! Both these perspectives are irreconcilable as they derive from a perceived inequality on either side.. All it needs is mutual respect to regain a balance and be able to harmonize our goals with one another. If we are various cultures all against one another in hostility, how on earth can we hope to survive the much greater hostility from without? All I see is negativity here. I am proud of my culture, and I respect other Germanic cultures too. There is no need for this competition to see who is 'better'. Talk about self destruction.

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    Good post tigerlily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stig View Post
    Are you going to say that Americans havent fallen victim to consumerist garbage? That you dont on the whole define yourselves by what you can buy, sell, consume?
    Yes, a majority have...but so have the majority of the populations of every first world nation. Take (at random) 100 young Americans, and 100 young Europeans (im talking 20-40yrs old). I guarantee at least 80 in each group will own a smartphone, have a closet full of clothes and shoes, TV's, video games, cars, watch popular TV programs, listen to popular music, etc. You keep saying "YOU", in reference to Americans, as if Europeans haven't fallen prey to the globalist/consumerist shit culture too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stig View Post
    I've seen it with my own eyes, i know your culture.
    No, you don't. You know GLOBALIST shit culture (much of which has come from America, yes), not MY culture. I don't claim to know your culture...grant me the same favor.

    If you want to get to know REAL, AMERICAN culture, Dvergr gave some great examples. Appalachia and its bluegrass, moonshine/whiskey, & coon hunting with hounds. Or the deep southern bayou's, with their cajun/creole music and cuisine, gator hunting, crawfish catching, and shrimp boats.

    Or come to my neck of the woods, the rain-forest's of Cascadia. Fishing for salmon, sturgeon, and halibut. Yearly Scandinavian festivals celebrating our heritage (many people here are only first or second generation Americans). Clam digging, or kite festivals on our beautiful beaches. Logging shows to celebrate the men working in one of our major industries. Come visit one of our many fantastic craft breweries (more per capita than Germany).

    The fact is, there is quality, and there is SHIT, on both sides of the pond.

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    The point I'm trying to make is that if you don't defined yourself as a European in a multicultural world, we have no claim to Europe and countries founded by Europeans, such as, America and Australia.

    Migrants will fellow your Lead of either 'I was born here in US and I have a EU membership, this is my culture now. There's nothing to stop migrants from jumping on that bandwagon.

    Classing ourselfs as Europeans will keep a wedge between 3rd world migrants and how and what they think who really are the Americans and who are really the Europeans.

    I never said that you are not American. But Americans as European race.

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    This is why I would encourage European descendants to re educate themselves and embrace the old ways to fight back against this "American culture" that is eroding old world values and we as a people.

    The old ways are the natural way + the shield of the folk... most people in the new world having no true culture.

    I would define culture as "religious" and coming from the native heart.

    I think that is why the Japanese culture for one is so strong and beautiful.
    Being a continual progression of their ancestral beliefs without hindrance for the most part.

    At university in one instance they kept using the term Australian culture.... I asked what exactly is Australian culture ... they sat stunned for some time... oh being Australian is about multiculturalism? and a "fair go" and a whole heap of other nonsense and hypocrisy.

    The "new world" has fallen into decadence and perversion simply for the fact they lack old world values and have become weak of mind and will - due to a number of factors. I gather we all have a vague idea of where this "culture" is coming from?

    Parasitic entities feeding off the life of the folk and corrupting all that they touch.

    It is time for us all to find our strength and our true identity to fight this.

    I personally believe this will be found in Heathenism.

    Have I no right to Heathenism? being Australian?

    I believe I was born Heathen though it took a time to shake off the indoctrination / conditioning and so forth.... which I would call "coming home"

    It is time to reclaim our noble heritage as the foundation for the future.

    For I don't believe blue grass music and maple syrup are going to help preserve our people in the greater sense.

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