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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagerzen View Post
    Quote: Americans do not identify with Europe.

    I beg to differ. Some of us do.
    See the Australian post. Most Americans do not identify with Europe. Americans who do are often ridiculed and mocked.


    Quote Originally Posted by QuietWind View Post
    This topic, in part, reminds me of one on hyphenated-Americanism a few years back.
    Who isn't hyphenated? All the local Chinese were all estatic with glee when the Oylmpics were held in Bejing, and not a single one of them was waving an American flag

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    The US on the other hand appears to lack that European national identity (I cannot think of a more accurate term at the moment). Sure, you have the WASP, but I think that European identity in the US is mostly a family affair as opposed to a national feeling.
    What you wrote about it being a "family affair" and not a "national feeling" (brilliantly put) is absolutely true TODAY. There is today a quaint and very widespread American hobby of genealogy, which -- and no one would admit to this, but it is true-- which is all about them trying to grab at some straws of real identity [as opposed to empty-consumer-identities] while trying to stay afloat in the pathetic cesspool of post-1965-stock immigrants that most U.S. metropolitan areas are now.

    However- three generations ago it was the opposite. It was definitely a national feeling. Witness the stunning rise of the nationalist [pro "nordish"-protestant] Ku Klux Klan...from hardly existing when WWI was ending, to dominating state politics in many states by 1924 ; with millions of members, up to one in three adult white men in some states was a member of that nationalist revival group. They got the 1923 Immigration Law passed [finalized in 1924].

    The mentality of those men is gone today, with only a scattered bunch of people making a stand, usually calling for "assimilation". Why has that national feeling died? Many will answer this in many ways, but I think simplest is to say that too much power in the USA landed in the hands of nonmembers of that "nationality" [that the men who passed the 1924 Immigration Law were conscious of], and those "nonmembers" used their power to help strangle it. Still today they "beat the dead horse" almost daily, witness Obama. (Ethnic Jews are a large part of this, but just the same are someone like congresswoman Nancy Pelosi or Ted Kennedy. [In 2006 there was an immigration-amnesty vote, and the Senators voted based more on their ethnoreligious background than on their party, with Anglo-Germanic Protestants almost all voting No, and Catholics/Jews almost all voting Yes.]) Also today, almost 100 years after the end of major European immigration into the USA, it is several generations of potential mixing, so the likeliness of someone having a nonGermanic grandparent or so is high.

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    I do not wish to be a fifth column in my own country. I identify with the founding culture, not the additives. Maybe you want to live in a bunker somewhere and let the rabble take over by doing nothing about it? You complain and point fingers, but offer nothing substantial as an operation to perform for saving this nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auduid View Post
    I do not wish to be a fifth column in my own country. I identity with the founding culture, not the additives. Maybe you want to live in a bunker somewhere and let the rabble take over by doing nothing about it? You complain and point fingers, but offer nothing substantial as an operation to perform for saving this nation.
    Who are you addressing here?

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    Ah, so you took notice? Does the prospect of doing other than whine, sound interesting at all? I see and hear a lot of this directed at the States, supposedly the worst country in the world.

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    I have read in books from around the turn of the 20th century, that there was a more distinct general American culture in the 1850s despite sharp regional distinctions. One author said that the process was hopelessly reversed after the waves of industrial immigrants. Other big effect was the post-WWII mobility of Americans moving across the country for jobs. You had the previous movement West in the prior century but this pattern was totally different in that it destroyed small-town America. I have heard somewhere that it was easier to get a mortgage on a house back then than in Europe starting in the 50s so if a family could move a step up they would.

    I don't know what the future holds for the United States. I think the whole idea of America as the universal nation of the wretched refuse from all teeming shores might cause more identity problems for the soon minority northwestern-European population down the road. Even to me, it is hard to get my mind around the fact that I am considered simply white but of no ethnicity when people like me are about to slip into the minority. I predict something is going to change at some point because I think many will begin to be unhappy with going into the oblivion of nihilistic materialism.

    The hyper-individualism in the United States and the rest of the Western World has gone way too far. Rejection of the family and kin ties are the biggest problem. I have a further comment on Jute's remarks on the widespread American hobby of genealogy. I have done extensive genealogy work for both sides of the family. I began to collect information when I began to realize that my grandparents generation was disappearing along with the information they had that could die with them. I almost feel as though young men like me have to reconstruct the complete story of my family's past due to the damn Baby Boomer generation complete ambivalence in passing this stuff on. I have talked to parents' cousins who I know have boxes of the stuff in their attics waiting for the place to be lost in a fire or something. But they have absolutely no time or interest to let a family member to have access to that stuff. After all there are more important things like trying to acquire some more possessions before you die than wasting time with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    What do you think of Colonials (Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc.) who identify as European? Specifically, I refer to those whose families have been in the New World for some generations, did not inherit any European traditions but who try to practice and pass down the language, culture and history of their distant ancestors and even wish to move to Europe. Europeans, do you accept these people as one of your own, and Colonials, how do they make you feel?
    No. Some of them come across as wannabes, to be honest. I've seen these German Americans who try hard to "parade" their "Germanism" by shouting Nationalsocialist slogans or integrating German slogan words into their English speech. Or posting millions of pictures of their mugs and pointing how blond their hair is. They're annoying so I try to ignore them.

    Why and amongst who do you believe this trend occurs and is it detrimental to our country and the countries of others?
    It is detrimental to both countries. You can't be European and American at the same time in my opinion. You are either, or. And if you are of old stock, for many generations in the colony, then you can't call yourself European anymore.

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    It seems people are having trouble distinguishing between what is culturally and racially European. An old-stock Colonial may have long since left the European fold in a cultural sense, but that has no bearing on what is far more important; blood. Take an American infant of pure-bred Colonial English or German descent, bring it to England or Germany, and raise it as an Englishman or a German. Having grown up with only the applicable national identity, there would be nothing on either level that sets this individual apart from the native populace. However, a Negro whose family has been present in Europe for generations may be culturally European, some argue more so than white Colonials, but he is European neither by race nor ethnicity. His inter-marriage with native peoples is damaging to Europe, wheras mixture with Colonials of European descent isn't, but is marked only be the notion of a cultural divide.

    Saying old-stock Colonials aren't European is, therefore, true from a point of view. They may have deviated culturally, but culture, while important to a certain extent, is nowhere near as significant as blood. Any individual can be naturalized, conditioned, or changed in this respect, but blood cannot. Arguing otherwise is simply an extension of European nationalism, an archaic and contradictory system that is a threat to Germanic preservation.

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    Just to clarify, I was refering to European as a geo-cultural concept. I'm not an European nationalist either, as I reject Europeanism as an ideology that preaches Europe as a homogeneous entity. I am a German nationalist and I have nothing against Americans and other Colonials in themselves, I just have something against wannabes and people who aren't satisfied with what they are. An old stock colonial of German heritage is not a German. He would do better to serve his nation which is America or whichever is it, instead of dressing in Lederhosen or waving a German flag to "celebrate" his heritage. I'm not sorry if this sounds cruel, I simply reponded how I feel. This kind of desperate "identity" is the threat to Germanic preservation, because you can't preserve what hasn't been freshly passed down to you. German culture isn't learned from a book or bought in the form of a folkdress at the shopping mall, it is lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    German culture isn't learned from a book or bought in the form of a folkdress at the shopping mall, it is lived.
    I hate to interrupt, but I have to point out that for many of us Colonials, the culture isn't bought or read from a book. A good deal of us have only been North Americans or Australians or whatever for a few generations. Germanic culture for us, therefore is lived and is passed down and therefore is something to be proud of.

    Wave flags all you want, in my opinion. It is better than becoming absorbed into a multicultural mess and losing an identity.

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