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    SNP Plans Closer Scandinavian Ties After Independence

    Bye, bye England? SNP plans closer Scandinavian ties after independence

    Document reveals government wants to turn away from London if it wins referendum

    An independent Scotland would shift much of its attention away from the UK to become a member of the Scandinavian circle of countries, with its own army, navy and air force modelled on its Nordic neighbours, according to detailed plans being drawn up by the SNP.

    Senior SNP strategists are compiling a "prospectus for independence" which they hope to use to sell the idea of separation to Scots ahead of the referendum in 2014 or 2015.

    The document is not due to be published in full for another year but SNP insiders have disclosed key extracts.

    They reveal that SNP leaders want an independent Scotland to look north and east in Europe for partnerships, trade and key defence relationships, rather than continuing to focus on western Europe and the Commonwealth, as the UK does now.

    Senior Nationalists, including Alex Salmond, have made several trips to Scandinavia over the last couple of years, meeting ministers and officials in an attempt to pave the way for greater co-operation if Scotland becomes independent, particularly on energy. Indeed, initial plans have already been drawn up for an electricity super-grid between Scotland and Norway.

    SNP strategists insist that Scotland would continue to be extremely close to the rest of the UK, which would remain its biggest trading partner, but they also believe that Scotland has more in common with its Scandinavian neighbours than the UK does and they are keen to take this relationship to a new level.

    The Scandinavian approach is being driven by Angus Robertson, the SNP's defence and foreign affairs spokesman in Westminster. Mr Robertson said recently that Scotland's relationship with its Scandinavian neighbours had suffered because of a southern bias since the Act of Union in 1707.

    He declared: "Our neighbours to the north and east have already made a good start and work constructively together. We need to join them and play our part. The UK has opted out of a serious approach. We should not."

    As well as being used to sell the idea of an independent Scotland at home, the prospectus for independence will be the basis for negotiations with Westminster if the referendum is won. In those negotiations, Alex Salmond will demand 9 per cent (roughly Scotland's share of the UK population) of all UK assets, including defence hardware.

    Under the plans being drawn up there would an independent Scottish navy based at Faslane – currently the base of the UK's Trident submarine fleet – and a Scottish air force based at Lossiemouth and Kinloss in Moray.

    SNP strategists also expect an independent Scotland to be given the Royal Regiment of Scotland, whose five regular and two territorial battalions would form the backbone of a new independent army.

    The Nationalists who are drawing up the prospectus have been told to make sure it is signed off before 2014, the earliest likely date for the referendum.

    Scottish independence: how it would look

    Trade

    Closer co-operation with Sweden, Denmark and Norway on trade, energy grids and oil and gas exploration.

    Defence

    An independent Scottish navy based at Faslane. The Clyde facility would be transformed from its current role as the base of the UK's Trident submarine fleet to become the headquarters of the Scottish navy. The navy would be similar to those run by Norway and Denmark, with a small number of frigates, a few corvettes and patrol vessels and possibly a couple of submarines.

    An independent Scottish air force based at Lossiemouth and Kinloss in Moray, centred on a squadron of Lockheed Orion P-3 maritime surveillance aircraft. These would have to be bought by the Scottish Government at a cost of £29m each.

    An independent Scottish army. SNP strategists expect an independent Scotland to be given the Royal Regiment of Scotland by the Ministry of Defence. The regiment's five regular and two territorial battalions would form the new Scottish army.

    Transport

    The exploitation of new sea lanes from Asia over the top of Russia, which are being opened up because of global warming, and possibly establishing a major new container port in Fife to rival Rotterdam.

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-6272337.html

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37756

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    Scotland will never become independent, because they know they've got it good being part of the UK. This is just sensationalised nonsense, and if you ask the Scottish public guaranteed the vast majority of them would say they are happy being part of Britain. They know if they go it alone they will probably suffer the same fate as Ireland and come running back to us begging us to bail them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingBritannia View Post
    They know if they go it alone they will probably suffer the same fate as Ireland and come running back to us begging us to bail them out.
    If the SNP plans for Scotland to become a part of the Scandinavian community, It's pretty obvious that the SNP knew that Scotland versus the world will not work. It's actually a smart move if you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olav View Post
    If the SNP plans for Scotland to become a part of the Scandinavian community, It's pretty obvious that the SNP knew that Scotland versus the world will not work. It's actually a smart move if you think about it.
    I wish this was a problem I needed to concern my self with, but it's not.
    But if you want to think about what's the dynamic is... it's oil and cod... mostly oil.

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    After the inevitable break up of the euro and EU new alliances will have to be formed. It will divide into latin,slavic, germanic and nordic sections with their own currencies. It seems Scotland is preparing for this already.
    England should join this new nordic union too, then we will have a guaranteed source of oil gas and iron etc and scandinavia would benefit from our trade and military protection from an aggressive Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vectis View Post
    After the inevitable break up of the euro and EU new alliances will have to be formed. It will divide into latin,slavic, germanic and nordic sections with their own currencies. It seems Scotland is preparing for this already.
    England should join this new nordic union too, then we will have a guaranteed source of oil gas and iron etc and scandinavia would benefit from our trade and military protection from an aggressive Russia.
    Reading and believing too much Daily Mail, BBC & Jew media rots the brain. The country that already has it all hardly "needs" to grab even more.

    The parasitic block known as the EU, with its even increasing debt burden and expanding welfare classes on the other hand.... they have every motivation to be aggressive and grab even more as is testified by NATO's endless Wars of Aggression in North Africa, the Middle East, Eastern Europe and Asia.

    Russia is not the aggressor. ZOG controlled USA & EU are.
    ~ **** Democracy! It's 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what's for dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Reading and believing too much Daily Mail, BBC & Jew media rots the brain. The country that already has it all hardly "needs" to grab even more.

    The parasitic block known as the EU, with its even increasing debt burden and expanding welfare classes on the other hand.... they have every motivation to be aggressive and grab even more as is testified by NATO's endless Wars of Aggression in North Africa, the Middle East, Eastern Europe and Asia.

    Russia is not the aggressor. ZOG controlled USA & EU are.
    I don't take any notice of what the jewish media want us to believe, but conspiracy websites are just biased, usually in favour of communislam. Its clear Russia is an enemy. They are in fact more judaised than the west, since a group of jews bolshevised them and turned them into their best unquestioning, atheist servants, this has left an indelible mark on their personality.
    The ussr was the most brutal and evil thing created, look what they did to eastern europe and the way they raped german women.

    Russians combine the degenerate thought process of the negro with the obediance and intelligence of the asiatic which make them dangerous. The whole nation is like a machine to oppress and threaten, they don't need to have a reason to invade anywhere, they enjoy feeling powerful and killing for the sake of it like Mongols. They didn't need to occupy eastern europe but they did. Go to a country like Estonia and you will see they hate the Russian machine to the core. They wanted to annihilate Britain for most of the 20th century, that hasn't changed now. If it wasn't for our Vulcan bombers and nuclear submarines, they would have destroyed us and most of europe, or at best supported an internal communist revolution. Russia and islam go hand in hand, without russian support Iran and most other arab states would collapse. Russia will be a muslim majority in ten years time. Its not surprising they get on well since they both demand total submission.

    I see NATO as a continuation of the anglo dominance over the world that has been going on for the last few centuries. Its means we get rescources like oil on our terms. Britain has always been aggressive and started & won wars, we should be proud of it. If we kill accidently kill a few muslims in the process that is an added bonus since they are another enemy. Its true NATO serves Isreal , a nation formed on the lie of 6 million, but Isreal serves us in a way, a first line of defence, a human sheild against the commuslamic hordes.

    I can't understand why Nationalists feel the need to choose between the Geert Wilders/Sweden Democats pro Israel, capitalist lies, and the pro-muslim anti NATO lies. Too often i've heard people defend muslims and communists just because they are anti Isreal. We should despise both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vectis View Post
    I don't take any notice of what the jewish media want us to believe, but conspiracy websites are just biased, usually in favour of communislam. Its clear Russia is an enemy.
    OK, I'm going to try to be patient here because it seems that you genuinely believe what you're saying but things aren't quite what they seem and you've got a couple of misconceptions imo.

    1) Firstly, read up a bit on history going back a couple of 100 years. How many attacks did Russia launch against Western European powers vs the other way around?

    You'll find that the balance favours the West.

    2) Russia is another Empire. All Empires are natural competitors, at the very least. Whether or not they are enemies depends on the times and the circumstances.

    The only reason "Germany isn't a competitor or enemy" at the moment is because the same mafia happens to be ruling over all of us.

    One can't just go around wanting to make enemies out of everybody out there. Sure, you should always be prepared and armed to deter them nosing around but provided you do this, you'll possibly be OK.

    Russians don't go around "hating Western Europe" and "wanting to conquer it". Why would they, they have enough of their own problems. They have all the land and resources they'll ever need. They don't need Europe for much apart from trade.


    3) Bolshevism. The original Jew Bolsheviks did indeed initiate and implement the Communist Revolution in Russia in 1917. How and why?

    - much of the ideology and theory was invented by Jews in Central Europe (Germany for example)
    - Communism promised a Utopian Workers Paradise, something which is extremely appealing to poor, unwashed masses.
    - Those with the money and the power (The Rich, the Plutocracy, The Elites) realised that they can make use of Communism in order to promote rebellions and revolutions in countries they wanted to control
    - The British & Czarist Russian Empires had been competitors for some time and Communism presented the British with an opportunity to overthrow the Czarist Russian Empire.

    Karl Marx is buried in, of all places, in Highgate Cemetery in LONDON, UK. Consider taking a trip there some time.

    Lenin (father of the Soviet Nation) lived in LONDON in exile whilst the planning and preparations for the Bolshevik Revolution were being made.

    Trotsky, that other famous Jew (apart from Marx, Lenin), went to New York where he received millions of dollars in financial backing for the Bolshevik Revolution from Jewish Wall Street Bankers like Jacob Schiff.

    - The German connection. This is also interesting because Germany who was at war with the UK, Russia and other countries during WW1 GAVE PASSAGE TO THE BOLSHEVIK LEADERS THROUGH GERMANY in order to implement the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Why?

    Because Czarist Russia was in an alliance against Germany at the time, on the side of the UK. The Bolsheviks promised to take Russia out of the war against Germany.

    The conclusion is that the most influential Bolshevists were Jews, they had backing from the West and they even managed to obtain German support for the Communist Revolution.

    This Communist Revolution in Russia was going to:

    - destroy Czarist Imperial Russia as a competitor to the UK Empire,
    - it was going to remove a German adversary from the battlefield
    - it was going to hand power to Jews in Russia
    - it was going to present International Capitalists with a vast new resource base and market to plunder



    They are in fact more judaised than the west, since a group of jews bolshevised them and turned them into their best unquestioning, atheist servants, this has left an indelible mark on their personality.
    Have you ever bothered to do even basic research on the bloodlines of prominent UK politicians, present and past?

    David Milliband - Marxist Jew
    Ed Milliband - Marxist Jew
    Jack Straw - Marxist Jew
    David Cameron - Banker Jew
    Malcolm Rifkind - Jew

    The list goes on and on and on


    The ussr was the most brutal and evil thing created, look what they did to eastern europe and the way they raped german women.
    What did the do to Eastern Europe? it was already a sh1thole
    All armies rape. Since you're so interested in the topic, here's an article dealing with the aftermath of WW2 in Germany.

    And, according to Time magazine of September 17, 1945, the government provided these soldiers with an estimated 50 million condoms per month, and graphically instructed them as to their use. For all practical purposes, our soldiers were being told: "Teach these Germans a lesson -- and have a wonderful time!" Such were the great crusaders who brought "democracy" to Europe.
    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm


    Russians combine the degenerate thought process of the negro with the obediance and intelligence of the asiatic which make them dangerous.
    It's amusing but Jesus wept.. I mean, come on

    The whole nation is like a machine to oppress and threaten, they don't need to have a reason to invade anywhere, they enjoy feeling powerful and killing for the sake of it like Mongols.
    You may as well be describing the USA or Imperial Britain. But you're wrong that countries don't need a reason to make wars. The reason countries invade or attack are usually for resources, land, markets and to share the spoils and the wimminz.


    They didn't need to occupy eastern europe but they did. Go to a country like Estonia and you will see they hate the Russian machine to the core.
    Of course they needed to occupy Eastern Europe. The USA were occupying Western Europe helloooooo??????? Eastern Europe flanks their borders. If they didn't occupy it, somebody else surely would have. EXACTLY AS NATO ARE DOING NOW.

    Estonians were enthusiastic NS Germany supporters. They picked a side, their side lost. Today they all claim that they were actually "victims" of both NS Germany and Russia. Go figure.......

    Obviously the Soviet Union weren't going to let these people cause trouble for them in future. The geography of Estonia dictated that occupation and assimilation was inevitable. Handing it to the Westerners wouldn't have been very smart.


    They wanted to annihilate Britain for most of the 20th century, that hasn't changed now. If it wasn't for our Vulcan bombers and nuclear submarines, they would have destroyed us and most of europe, or at best supported an internal communist revolution.
    Do you realise how many times, throughout history, Britain has attacked Russia? (unprovoked)
    Don't you think that they'd have learned their lessons and become a bit wary of the UK's intentions towards it?
    Did they really want to annihilate Britain, or rather, ensure that Britain would be annihilated in case it tried another stunt?


    Russia and islam go hand in hand, without russian support Iran and most other arab states would collapse.
    This makes no sense.

    So did the USA / UK backed the Chechen (Muslim) bandits and wars against Russia in order to "save the world from Islam" or "Russia"?

    Iran is Persian, not Arab. Iran also hasn't started any wars for the last 200 - 300 years. How many wars do you think the UK started in the last 200 - 300 years?

    Arab States, nearly all, are under USA and UK control and occupation already. What does Russia have to do with any of them?

    Russia will be a muslim majority in ten years time. Its not surprising they get on well since they both demand total submission.
    Uhm.... wrong.

    I see NATO as a continuation of the anglo dominance over the world that has been going on for the last few centuries. Its means we get rescources like oil on our terms. Britain has always been aggressive and started & won wars, we should be proud of it.


    If we kill accidently kill a few muslims in the process that is an added bonus since they are another enemy. Its true NATO serves Isreal , a nation formed on the lie of 6 million, but Isreal serves us in a way, a first line of defence, a human sheild against the commuslamic hordes.
    Israel is a bottomless pit. They are the parasite's kind of parasite. We don't need them, for anything.

    I can't understand why Nationalists feel the need to choose between the Geert Wilders/Sweden Democats pro Israel, capitalist lies, and the pro-muslim anti NATO lies. Too often i've heard people defend muslims and communists just because they are anti Isreal. We should despise both.
    Germanic people who value their lives, environments, culture and land would reject "Wilders", "Swedish Democrats" and all the other invader scheissters.
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    An independent Scotland should share close ties with all its Germanic and Celtic brothers, the move to cooperate more closely with Scandinavia is surely a good move in the right direction, especially in the light of all this 'pan-Celtic' nonsense that's been running rampant in the past decade or two.

    At any rate, it shouldn't come at the detriment of ties with England, as both share a common Anglo-Saxon, Norman and Viking heritage as well as an early Celtic substrate (except that some parts of Scotland also have a later Celtic adstrate via the Gaels coming from Ireland in the 6th-7th century). This should of course also be considered when making alliances.

    Of all the nonsense that the SNP has produced, this actually seems like a good enough idea. Scotland will of course never be able to fully sever ties (especially in the legal system, albeit having its own, much is influenced by English Common Law in addition to Continental Civil Law) with England, but seeking good relations and co-operations with Scandinavians might help cement Scotland into the wider Germanic commonwealth, where it belongs; this could be useful for a later inclusion in a pan-Germanic construct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    [...] especially in the light of all this 'pan-Celtic' nonsense that's been running rampant in the past decade or two.
    [...] this could be useful for a later inclusion in a pan-Germanic construct.
    So Pan-Celticism is 'nonsense', while Pan-Germanicism is not?

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