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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    As far as I know, Irish people are not Nordic, so the answer is a clear "no". I don't know how Nordid these Irishmen were, though.
    Yeah, I knew I had read it. During the 6th through the 10th centuries the Norse tried to settle Ireland. The gained some coastal land...specifically Dublin, but where never able to penetrate the interior, mainly because of the native fighting. Many kingdoms lead to many wars and as always, Irish against Irish, but both sides got new allies. Specifically, Danes and Norwegians. This is what led to be know as the Hiberno-Norse. It was the Norse that got expelled from the Island....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    I think it's good that Scotland is co-operating more with the Nordic countries, but it shouldn't be at the expense of its ties with England. It's a bit sad that Scotland has fallen for this "Pan-Celtic" trend, when they are a Germanic-majority country and have more in common with England than with any other nation. (Of course, it's a bit blurred in the British Isles, since the Celtic and Germanic groups have co-existed there for such a long time.)

    As far as I know, Irish people are not Nordic, so the answer is a clear "no". I don't know how Nordid these Irishmen were, though.
    Vikings,Norman and Anglo Saxon have all been to Ireland. Northern Ireland has a lot of Scottish and English people too.
    Ronan Keating for example is Anglo Saxon by looks and surname.
    Celtic and Germanic groups have co-existed in many areas of Europe and outside of Europe too.
    I would like it if the British Isles,Ireland,Scandinavia,Vinland, Green Land would all be proud of their Viking history and get along.
    If they want these ties, then Scotland should start with Iceland, because they both have Germanic and Celtic heritage.

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    An independent Scotland would be backed by the same power who forced the British government (over the war debt) in Versailles 1919 to move forward to:

    1. Women suffragette (women had not the right to vote in both UK and Germany, President Wilson ensured it in both)

    2. For England: One man- one vote principle. In pre-1918 England only those with enough property (1/3 of the male population over 21) had the right to vote. Not even Imperial Germany was that backward in 1918.

    3. The Irish Freestate. Wilson (just before departing in anger from the Versailles betrayal. Wilson was not willing to sign the shameful Versailles Treaty, especially in the light that the Germans had initially surrendered to the United States only, on the basis of Wilson's 14 points and not to any Entente demands. Thus not only the Germans were betrayed by the British and French, but also Wilson was backstabbed by Clemenceau and Lloyd George ) forced the British to recognize an independent Irish state. The result was the Irish Republic which since then enjoys the unspoken protection of the USA (see 1945 when WSC tried to annex Ireland under the pretext that Irish PM De Valera had been neutral and verbally even "pro-Hitler" at times. President Truman immediately slapped WSC on his fingers, taking the Irish side).
    To all you Ulster Unionists, Ian Paisley fans: You cannot win. You only could have won if Lord Gray did not have signed the Entente Treaty of 1905 with the French, thereby committing England and the BE to the French cause.
    And this cause was "revenge for 1871", a revisionist war against Germany, which then eventually led to 1914
    After calculating through all possible scenarios (with the help of R.Grenfell) it can be said that the UK can hold it's grip on Ireland if she either :
    1. Continues the policy of pre-1905 splendid isolation
    2. Or allies with the Germans. Which would have averted WW1. England did the opposite, allied with France, enabling her (now strong enough) to seek General War. The result is WW1 (a stalemate 1915-17) which cannot be won without the United States. And even then it is that costly that both the BE and FE are financially and economically ruined, both in deep debt to Uncle Sam.


    And because the decline of Great Britain is solely the product of irresponsible politicians of the Lloyd George, WSC, Lord Gray etc brand who not only liked to play the nationalism card, but grotesquely miscalculated (see Lord Grays memoirs and his "scientific" approach to calculated warfare), and after the failure becomes obvious and public, these very same politicians played the "Germany is to blame". Germany to blame for what ? For offering a hard enough resistance against their Imperialist endeavors that made it so costly to destroy her, that Britain ended up as a welfare recipient of the United States in 1943 (only then FDR gave manna for free also for the UK. The other FDR client, Stalin , got Lend Lease right from 1941 for free). And the UK remained to be welfare recipient of the US until the mid 1950s (Marshall Plan), just like any other European including the French, West-Germans, Italians...



    Germany's answer to Versailles is well known: Hitler

    The US answer to Wilson's betrayal in Versailles and the Great Depression: Roosevelt ("the next time we are going to Europe we are gong to stay" FDR-1928, as Governor of NY)

    Russia's answer to the WW1 breakdown:October Revolution, Lenin, Stalin

    Italian's answer to the result of WW1 and the depression: Mussolini's march on Rome 1922

    Britain's answer to Hitler: Churchill


    Lord Gray, and his 'scientific-genius' ...
    (The CIA calls this "unintended consequences" or Boomerang effect)

    The United States abolished the German Reich, and could/(and would perhaps under a populist President of Irish descent) the very same to Great Britain any time. And annex England, Scotland, Wales as 3 separate states into the Union, while Ulster/Northern Ireland comes to Ireland.

    Then the policy of Lord Gray,Sir Haldane, Lloyd George and WSC would have it's pointe


    "We are going to crack it* open like an oyster shell"
    Secretary of State Cordell Hull in his memoirs quoting President Roosevelt 1936 .




    Scottish nationalists therefor don't need to worry. There will be verbal and other support from the US for your cause in the same manner the Irish got.
    Remember the movies Braveheart and The Patriot by Mel Gibson? Notice who the villain is in both?


    *= British Empire aka Commonwealth

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    Physically I cannot tell if someone is Scottish or English just by looking at them.

    Culturally they are also similar but there are some differences.

    The Scots should acknowledge both identities.

    At a time when racial others are flooding into Scotland that a far far more different culturally, racially and spiritually I think such differences are petty.
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    One of the main reasons that compelled England to control both Scotland and Ireland was to cover its back by denying a potential enemy any beachheads or ports from which to attack English ships. Without recourse to food (and these days fuel) imports, England would be toast in a few months.

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    I see the SNP's drive for independence and reassessment of their alliances as part of a bigger movement that is on the rise in Europe. People are starting to ask questions about the globalist-universalist image of man as a Tabula Rasa without ancestry and culture. This image is however the groundwork of the current EU and of each of it's member states. This is why even healthy nationalism is seen as evil. It opposes this image with an image of kinship, culture and ancestry.

    In Belgium, for example, the Flemish are increasingly heading for separation from the Walloon region. The Catalans in Spain are still striving for more independence to protect their culture. People in Europe are, also because of increased confrontation with non-European foreigners, becoming more aware of the differences between peoples. They just hardly know how to deal with it, because we all lack a constructive, healthy, strategically sound and philosophically hardened vision and weltanschauung based on European ethnicity and ancestry.

    We should welcome SNP's plans. We should do so because we need to break free from the power of banks, mass media, modernistic politics and destructive ideologies. And when we do this, we will come to see that Celts, Germanics and Slavs are and should be close allies and kinfolk standing together against those powers. Once we as a people will start walking our own European path in the world, we will have to deal with all the power those enemies can bring into the field against us.

    It's this or accepting a slave status under the rule of today's power centers and ultimately demographic demise. Breaking free from the current chains is a painful but necessary step in securing our future. And it's an indisputable fact that the fate of Celts, Germanics and Slavs is tied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigyn View Post
    I think it's good that Scotland is co-operating more with the Nordic countries, but it shouldn't be at the expense of its ties with England. It's a bit sad that Scotland has fallen for this "Pan-Celtic" trend, when they are a Germanic-majority country and have more in common with England than with any other nation. (Of course, it's a bit blurred in the British Isles, since the Celtic and Germanic groups have co-existed there for such a long time.)
    This. It took two pages to get to a reasonable post, and that's a higher-than-average score when it comes to this topic. You'll find a lot of continental and colonial know-nothings displaying a knee-jerk, PC-conditioned 'pro-Celtic struggle against the tyranny of the evil, evil English' attitude, which is essentially a NW European-specific answer to the mainstream's PC-conditioned 'pro-non-white struggle against the tyranny of the evil, evil whiteman' attitude. Yawn inducing and simplistic. The truth is that Celtic unity is as false and revisionary as is non-white unity: it exists in the minds of the stupid because it was placed there by unquestioned higher powers (or shitty historically inaccurate mid-90s movies), in close cooperation with that modern human need to saddle blame on others and paint oneself as helplessly pathetic.

    As for the Scandinavian ties raised here, I doubt anyone with half a brain could see this as ethnically driven. They're rather securing sufficient independence from an obvious partner (i.e. England) by contriving new, relatively unnatural bonds with un-obvious partners (i.e. Scandinavia), so as to be able to continue to indulge their new identity as a 'freed slave race' without having to worry about its effect on its closest economic and political relatives. We live in a culture of whining (about oppression and a million other things). The SNP wants to whine above all else. They don't actually want independence, especially if it takes from them their only excuse to whine. So what they're really talking about here are ways to secure a safe future for their whining, should the seeming answer to their current whining (that is, independence) ever annoyingly show itself.

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    I wouldn't say that the ethnic bonds don't exist or that bonds with Scandi land would be unnatural but having said that, this big divorce from England they keep blabbering about is tiresome. It makes little sense apart from using it as an excuse to boost a few egos and to prolong a culture of victimhood and self-righteousness amongst them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    I wouldn't say that the ethnic bonds don't exist or that bonds with Scandi land would be unnatural but having said that, this big divorce from England they keep blabbering about is tiresome. It makes little sense apart from using it as an excuse to boost a few egos and to prolong a culture of victimhood and self-righteousness amongst them.
    The ethnic bonds exist between Scotland and Scandinavia, definitely, but to resurrect ties in this way (especially since it's a forged relation merely between the abortions that are the political systems of modern Scandinavia and this future Scotland-to-be) is fairly awkward and unorganic. It would be similar to me suddenly deciding to identify with modern Danes over modern non-Danelaw-descended Englishmen. Certainly, a bond could be made between myself and Danes, but not in this sterile, artificial manner, not at the expense of my other ethnic relations, and especially not if, like the SNP, I don't even base this new relation on racial or ethnic considerations.

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    Closer ties with Scotland would be a good thing. Especially a joint defence program.

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