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    You may find this take on WSC by the Daily Mail interesting. Pay attention to the second layer messages.

    A gloriously flawed hero: How Winston Churchill saved this nation from the brink of extinction
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...xtinction.html


    This implies that Mr. Churchill would have slept with Monsieur Reynaurd if that would help to keep the French in the war for a few days more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Mail
    It was a war that, without him, could not even have been fought.
    That's true, isn't it? HE made sure that the war continued and became a real Global War with all it's later atrocities perpetuated by both sides.

    And at the end, as a new world order emerged in 1945 out of the global bloodbath,
    Yes out of the ashes of 1945 the NWO rose, and Roosevelt "Global Empire" idea prevailed. The UN with NYC as world capital, Bretton-Woods agreement, Yalta (Eastern Europe and half of Ge to the USSR) IMF, World Bank, later under President Truman NATO and EU.
    President Roosevelt could dictate anything he wanted to Britain as well as to the USSR. The Red Empire now stretched from the Bering Strait to the Elbe river, and Mao was in progress in overtaking China. This is the New World Order Britain and Mr.Churchill hoped and fought for, right?

    it was his determination and personality that had this bombed-out and bankrupt nation
    Nah, others were much worse off, accurate here is only bankrupt.

    still holding a crucial position at the centre of international affairs, still in the game, still a player.
    Yes, and so were France, Belgium and Andorra . Still "in the game", still "players".

    There I sat,' the great man recalled of a summit meeting with Stalin, the dictator of the Soviet Union, and Roosevelt, the President of the United States, 'with the great Russian bear on one side of me, and on the other side the great American buffalo. Between the two sat the poor little English donkey, who was the only one who knew the right way home.'
    I like this one.

    Stalin=bear
    FDR= buffalo
    Churchill= donkey

    All this made that 'poor little donkey' the greatest Englishman of the 20th century, indeed of all time.
    William Pitt the elder who made Britain to the world power No.1 (over his alliance with Frederick Great and the Germans) is not so great, and 50 years later the Duke if Wellington made Britain (again in alliance with Prussia/Ge) to the sole Global Power for the rest of 19th century, they both are not that great as Mr. Churchill, the destroyer of Germany, of Europe and---his own Empire, HE WSC and not the Duke of Wellington, William Pitt or Queen Elizabeth I is the "Greatest Briton of all times."

    He was a titan,
    What then? You just said he was a donkey, and now he is a titan?

    a warlord extraordinaire
    That's true, no matter what the costs are.

    Yet his wartime relationship with the British people was much more complex than is often acknowledged and he was by no means universally popular, adored or trusted
    His performance as a strategist was questioned quite often. Whether Gallipolli 1915, or HIS idea to go into Norway 1940 to cut off iron ore trade with the Germans. To send HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse to Asia without aircraft carrier was also his idea, against the advice of the Admiralty. Result: Both were sunk on day 2 of the hostilities by Japanese aircraft, giving Deutsche Wochenschau a free shot of "Schadenfreude".

    For his part, he was constantly disappointed by the performance of the British Army, both officers and men.
    He was an expert in shifting blame on others and whitewash his own responsibility for disasters he caused. Continuously throughout his career, from the Dardanelles disaster 1915 to the Suez disaster 1955.

    Much of the story of Britain's part in the war was that of the Prime Minister seeking more from his own nation and its warriors than most could deliver.
    Calculating realistic odds was not his forte.

    He was - and still is - accused of arrogance, emotion, self-indulgence, stubbornness and a blind faith in his own ability.
    This handicapped his performance as strategist.

    The plain fact is that, in his absence, Britain would have made terms with Hitler
    At least President Roosevelt feared that all over the summer of 1940, thus the war could end before the Presidential elections. Anytime thereafter he could join whenever it suited best. Thus WSC's task was, from FDR's perspective, to keep the war going until at least until November/December.

    When he took over as Prime Minister in May 1940, appetite for the fray was Churchill's most convincing credential for national leadership.
    This is why he replaced Chamberlain's undefined war goal by a fixed one: Unconditional Surrender, which political science reads as bid for conquest. Thus Mr. Churchill proclaimed in summer 1940 right after the Fall of France to the astonishment of the world that his intent was to conquer Germany as a whole. Indeed he had an "appetite for the fray".

    There had been eight months of 'Phoney War' since September 1939 and the passivity of that time had eaten deeply into the morale of the British people.
    So when the war is only phony (and not enough fray) the morale of the British people sinks ? Peoples of the world ! Pay attention !

    The man he replaced, Neville Chamberlain, had shown that he did not have the stomach for a fight.
    Thereby causing the morale in Britain to sink, because of not enough fray?

    He was unwilling to bear the heavy responsibility of sending men to die.
    PM Chamberlain may have had human feelings and was not enough of a psychopath.

    A nation which, with Hitler's armies finally on the march, found itself in a life-and-death struggle
    The "life-and-death struggle" was a self declared mission, heralded as "crusade against tyranny".

    or historic and personal reasons, much of Britain's ruling class disliked and mistrusted the new premier.
    With good reason they did not trust WSC.

    As the Foreign Secretary, Lord Halifax, wrote disdainfully to a friend: 'I don't think WSC will be a very good PM - though the country will think he gives them a fillip.'
    Churchill made himself his own defence minister as well as Prime Minister. Some thought this arrogant, but to him it was destiny.
    Just like Hitler later in December 41.

    'At last I had the authority to give directions over the whole scene,' he declared. 'I felt as if all my past life had been but a preparation for this hour and this trial.'
    Here he admits directly his aim to give directions, move armies and fleets.
    It is well known that Mr. Churchill had a passion for table top armies, canons and warships. And now he could direct real ships, planes, tanks and whole armies.

    Much of his life up until then had, in truth, been peppered with misjudgments, such as his conduct of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign in World War I, his switching of parties twice in the House of Commons and his backing for Edward VIII to remain as king in the abdication crisis.
    Now they admit that WSC had been a disaster as military leader in WW1. He lost his position as First Sea Lord in 1915. He then switched from the Liberal Party to the Tories.

    In military terms, he had also been spectacularly wrong in underestimating the importance of tanks, battlefield aircraft and submarines. Such errors of judgment were common knowledge among ministers and commanders.

    He was seen as a 'rogue elephant', and many in high places thought his administration would be short-lived.
    Previously donkey, titan and now rogue elephant.

    But his claim upon his country's leadership rested on his record as a foe of appeasement.
    That's what FDR had in mind for Downing Street No.10: A combination of donkey and warmonger ("foe of appeasement") so that he FDR could take the jackpot---by entering last but decisive.

    Churchill was taken aback. He cherished a faith in France and the might of her armed forces. He had deemed it unthinkable that the Germans could break through the supposedly impregnable Maginot Line.
    Another false prediction by WSC.

    There was every possibility that Churchill's government would fall and be replaced by an administration willing to seek terms from Hitler.

    Ever since war was declared, a substantial number of MPs and peers had lacked faith in the possibility of military victory. They had little enthusiasm for a fight to the finish with Hitler, which they feared would end in rubble and ruin.

    'It's madness to suppose we can beat Hitler,' one duke said.
    With the help of both the US and USSR it would be and was possible.

    Amid shattering military defeat, even Winston dared not offer his colleagues a vision of British victory.

    Instead, he argued that, at this precise moment, there was no more to lose by fighting on than by throwing in the hand. Nothing would be lost by continuing to defy Hitler because no terms he might offer in the future were likely to be worse than those now available.
    This is classic deceptive.

    "defy Hitler"= Britain was the attacker

    So what were Hitler's terms ? Poland, not more. This however was concealed by WSC, instead he published a forged document "revealing" that Hitler wanted to "exterminate the British people".

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    Back to Rudolf Hess.

    Here is the original broadcast of the "Nazi-News" by DR that reports that Party Comrade Hess has 'stolen' a Luftwaffe aircraft, and since then is missed. His secretaries have been taken into custody and is currently interrogated.

    http://kiwi6.com/file/2ls7gnq9wa
    Voice: Dr. Rau, chief commentator of the "Grossdeutscher Rundfunk" and co-editor of the news-magazine "Das Reich"
    Quote Originally Posted by Transcript
    "Parteigenosse Hess, dem es aufgrund einer seit Jahren fortschreitenden Krankheit vom Führer strengstens verboten worden war sich noch weiter fliegerisch zu betätigen hat entgegen diesen vorliegenden Befehl es vermocht,sich wieder in den Besitz eines Flugzeuges zu bringen. Am Samstag dem 10. Mai gegen 18 Uhr startete Parteigenosse Hess zu einem Flug von dem er bis zum heutigen Tage nicht zurückgekehrt ist. Ein zurückgelassener Brief zeigte in seiner Verworrenheit leider die Spuren einer geistigen Zerüttung die befürchten
    lässt, das Parteigenosse Hess das Opfer von Wahnvorstellungen wurde.

    Der Führer hat sofort angeordnet, das die Adjutanten des Parteigenossen Hess, die von diesen Flügen allein Kenntnis hatten, und die entgegen des ihnen bekannten Verbotes des Führers diese Flüge nicht verhinderten bzw. sofort meldeten, verhaftet wurden.

    Unter diesen Umständen muss also leider die nationalsozialische Bewegung damit rechnen, das Parteigenosse Hess auf seinem Fluge irgendwo abgestürzt bzw. verunglückt ist."


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