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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    And like the Franks, as written down in the Chronicle of Fredegar.
    But, as usual, it is we Swedes who win The Big Prize.

    Olof Rudbeck showed quite conclusively, at least according to himself, that Sweden actually is not only Atlantis and the very cradle of civilization but also the home of illustrious characters such Hercules, and that Swedish actually is the language of Adam from which all other languages stem.

    Snorri and Fredegar can eat Olof's shorts.

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    The problem that most nonperceptive people have with understanding the Prose Edda, as mentioned, is that it had to be arranged in a way that the judeo-christian rulers of the time wouldn't find heretical. However something you neglected to shed light upon is the fact that later on in the Edda, though it escapes me exactly where it was, he writes something along the lines of that he is writing the text "so that those who seek the mysteries of old may find them". Passages hinting at that point appear a few times as well; I don't exactly remember where.

    He contrived the Asia minor story so that it would appear as if a work of fiction and not the actual collection of religious writings that it was. He simply hid the truth in a lie so that it would survive and be passed on to our kin through the generations. When reading his works in depth with correct perception, you'll find that he was not a christian, but an initiated Pagan.

    Snorri performed a task so enormously important for our folk that without his preservation effort, any in-depth knowledge of our mythology and religion probably would have ceased to exist a long time ago. Unfortunately not many seem to fathom the credit that he deserves for this. They believe the jewish lie of his allegedly being a christian without making any real effort to delve into the depths of his writings, and instead slander him as someone who corrupted our ancient myths and the knowledge of our ancient religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paraplethon
    You could draw a comparison to the various edicts levelled against the Celtic Church by Rome in the latter part of the first millenium. Some of these edicts were reiterated anywhere up to half a dozen times over a few centuries - showing that what Rome wanted or thought and what people actually did (and thought) were two different things. Similar to the period in which Snorri wrote, after Icelands conversion, but how far reaching was that conversion in reality?
    It was a formality to accept "christian" - rather Olaf "the holy"'s rule over Iceland and to prevent the invasion of the new settlement, and to avoid that the hostages held in Norway get slaughtered. This was in the year 1000, the first monastery was build more than 100 years later only. The fact that there have been christian monks (who often died weird deaths) didnt mean at all that all Icelanders suddenly were christians and abandoned their mythology, customs and belief. And they didnt really until today either.

    And like everywhere, christianity was the religion of the "ruling caste", not that of the people who stubbornly continued their own religion. Those edicts, countless papal bulls and the history of law, that forbids this or that heathen practice throughout the centuries, is proof for that people simply did not become christian, even if they went to church to avoid repressions for doing not.
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    the 'christian' elements in the Edda might just well be the heathening of Christianity. christianity is a hybrid religion of jewish thoughts put over a heathen core of practices and beliefs.

    christians had to 'christianize' heathen celebrations and beliefs and thus they cobviously unwittingly heathenized christianity. thus many heathen things have been preserved to our time.

    Easily one can take off the christian paint of this thing and then have a pure heathen teaching.

    heathens were very smart to preserve their wisdom, they knew that fighting it directly would have led to their total obliteration, they put their wisdom in a christian robe (and had to allow jewish brainwashing) but their practice survived to the modern times.

    It seems that Snorri did a similar thing. his Chosen God might well hae advised him so.
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    I think Ocko has a good point. I don't think it's so much that he "christianized" the writings, but that he wrote them using christian terms (the difference being he didn't try to incorporate christian mythology into the Edda, nor the Edda into christianity, but rather used christian terms so that christians would assume he was writing from a christian point of view). In other words, using a code that would confound those who didn't understand what he was doing, but those in the know would understand and be able to pass on that knowledge.

    Fighting and resisting would indeed have been suicide (look at the druids), so it seems he decided to outlast the enemy, rather than outfight him.


    However, I think a lot may have been lost. Unless I'm mistaken, my understanding is that the Edda and Sagas are the "Cliff Notes" versions, and that the tellers would fill in the blanks with details handed down verbally (note how in many of the sagas especially, what seem like major plot points are glossed over, yet addressed later as if the reader knows them. I think these are the parts that the storyteller would fill in, hence, the idea that one "tells the story better" than another.). I think much of that verbal knowledge is gone.

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    I agree with William Reaves.


    Two Approaches to Understanding Old Norse Cosmology
    William P. Reaves (c) 2011

    ..."The first is to accept the vision of Yggdrasill as described by the 13th century Christian historian Snorri Sturluson in his Edda, and attempt to make the statements regarding cosmology in the Poetic Edda conform to his view or label them as variants. This method has been the dominant approach for the last 200 years..."

    ..."A second approach then is to examine the cosmological statements found in the Poetic Edda independently and draw our own conclusions based on the evidence found there."


    See Reaves' outstanding website at www.germanicmythology.com

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