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  • Vinland/American Indians

    5 15.63%
  • Vinland/American Asians

    1 3.13%
  • Native Americans/Natives

    10 31.25%
  • Americanoid

    3 9.38%
  • Skraeling of Vinland/USA

    4 12.50%
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Thread: Is "American Indian" Really the Right Term or is Skræling a Better Term ?

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    Question Is "American Indian" Really the Right Term or is Skræling a Better Term ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_..._United_States


    According to a 1995 US Census Bureau set of home interviews, most of the respondents with an expressed preference refer to themselves as American Indians or Indians, and this term has been adopted by major newspapers and some academic groups.The terms that have been used in the past to refer to them have been controversial. They are the the inhabitants of North America prior to the arrival of Christopher Columbus. They are called "Native American" In films. They were from Eurasia and travelled to the Americas took place via Beringia, a land bridge. However we now know that they were not the only people to travel to North America.

    On June 2, 1924 U.S. Republican President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, which made citizens of the United States of all Native Americans, who were not already citizens, born in the United States and its territories. Prior to passage of the act, nearly two-thirds of Native Americans were already U.S. citizens
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_..._United_States

    In the sagas it is also used for the peoples of the region known as Vinland (probably Newfoundland) whom the Norse encountered during their expeditions there in the early 11th century.
    The Vikings called them Skræling.

    [QUOTESkræling] (Old Norse and Icelandic: skrælingi, plural skrælingjar) is the name the Norse Greenlanders used for the indigenous peoples they encountered in North America and Greenland, [/QUOTE]

    The word skræling is the only word surviving from the Old Norse dialect spoken by the mediæval Norse Greenlanders. In modern Icelandic, skrælingi means a barbarian or foreigner. The origin of the word is not certain, but it is probably based on the Old Norse word skrá which meant "skin"; and as a verb, "to put in writing" (written accounts, such as the Icelandic Sagas, were put on dried skin in Iceland).The Eskimo, both Thule and Dorset, as well as other indigenous people whom the Norse Greenlanders met, wore clothes made of animal skins, in contrast to the woven wool clothes worn by the Norse.
    Some scholars have speculated that skrælingi came from the Scandinavian word skral or the Icelandic word skrælna. The word skral connotes "thin" or "scrawny". In the Scandinavian languages, it is often used as a synonym for feeling sick or weak. But, this speculation is probably a case of folk etymology or linguistic "false friend"; the word skral does not exist in medieval Norse texts (for example the Icelandic sagas) nor in modern Icelandic. It is a 17th-century loanword from Low German into the Scandinavian languages: Danish, Norwegian and Swedish. Skræling or skrælling means weakling in modern Norwegian and Danish.Skrælna refers to shrinking or drying (plants for example). But, the written medieval texts do not use skræling in an adverse sense.

    The Greenlandic ethnonym Kalaalleq may be based on the Norse Skræling (the combination skr is unknown in the Inuit language) or on the Norse klæði (meaning cloth).

    As documented by William H. Babcock in "Certain Pre-Columbian Notices of American Aborigines", the word skræling may have been the name of one of the North American tribes encountered by Norse during initial contact. The story was that Norseman Bjorn the Bonde saved two Skræling siblings from the sea. As was their custom, in gratitude the Skrælings decided to become the Norseman's life-long servants. During this service, the Skrælings indicated that the word skræling was how their peoples' name was pronounced in Norse. Eventually, "The brother and sister killed themselves and threw themselves down the cliffs into the sea when they were prohibited from following along with Bjorn Bonde..." on his return to Iceland
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skr%C3%A6ling

    The American "Indians" were not really "Native" or " Indigenous ".

    Here is an all-too-brief outline of the proofs that we came to America 17,000 years ago, 6,000 years before any Asians:

    1. The Solutrean spear points found everywhere in Southwestern France and Spain EXACTLY match the "Clovis" spear points which have been found across America. These "Clovis" blades are proved to be the oldest artifacts ever found in the New World. The show begins with a close-up zoom onto a 17,000-year-old spear point that has been found in Virginia. It is a Solutrean spear/knife blade. You can see it. And, more importantly, the world's top scientists (white guys, of course) in the field are sure of it. And they tell you this in the DVD.

    2. The ONLY way that the very unique, very skilled Solutrean flint-knapping technology could have gotten to America is that somebody had to BRING it with them.

    3. No Solutrean-type point has ever been found in Asia. Anywhere. Ever.

    4. Solutrean points are everywhere in France and Spain.

    5. Exactly at the SAME 17,000-year-old date as the appearance of Solutrean blades in Virginia, the North Atlantic was covered by a 30-foot-thick solid sheet of ice that stretched in a giant arc from Southwestern France to the (above water then) Grand Banks of North America. The ice-age ocean was 500 feet lower than it is today. Coastlines extended much further as a consequence.

    6. Solutrean caves (like the Lascaux caves of France) show that Solutreans hunted seals. Seals lived on and under that great ice sheet. Seal meat, seal hide, seal bone, and seal fat provide everything needed to make the journey.

    7. In addition to the previously unknown vast ice sheet stretching solid from France to Newfoundland, new super-computers show that there was a very fast (4 miles per hour) counter eddy that floated huge broken rafts of the broken sea ice westward from Europe to North America like a giant people-mover. Solutreans stuck on these huge blocks were quickly moved across the North Atlantic. They had already mastered the technology of surviving in super cold back in France, where a worsening Ice Age was driving them to starvation in extreme cold.

    8. The Solutreans' best source of the meat they desperately needed to survive was seals out along the vast arc of sea ice.

    9. The Solutreans could easily make skin boats that were big and adequate to the journey.

    10. The Solutreans got water from melting sea ice with burning seal fat, which gave them a heat source.

    11. American geneticists have proved that a unique DNA haplogroup marker that they have found present in some American Indian DNA must have come from the only other place it is found....in Europe. And thus, Europeans had to bring it. They have also shown that this haplogroup DNA is 17,000 years old.

    There are dozens more revolutionary discoveries like these above that I don't have time to list right now. But others in this thread, who have seen the DVD (or the TV show) can describe them in subsequent posts, as I will too.
    Douglas Wallace's DNA history bore fruit once more. In the DNA profile of the Ichigua Native American tribe he identified a lineage that was clearly European in origin, too old to be due to genetic mixing since Columbus' discovery of the New World. Instead it dated to Solutrean times. Wallace's genetic timelines show the Ice Age prompted a number of migrations from Europe to America. It looks highly likely that the Solutreans were one.
    The impact of this new prehistory on Native Americans could be grave. They usually consider themselves to be Asian in origin; and to have been subjugated by Europeans after 1492. If they too were partly Europeans, the dividing lines would be instantly blurred. Dr Joallyn Archambault of the American Indian Programme of the Smithsonian Institute offers a positive interpretation, however. Venturing across huge bodies of water, she says, is a clear demonstration of the courage and creativity of the Native Americans' ancestors. Bruce Bradley agrees. He feels his Solutrean Ice Age theory takes into consideration the abilities of people to embrace new places, adding, "To ignore this possibility ignores the humanity of people 20,000 years ago."
    http://whitenewsnow.com/whites-reach...s-we-were.html


    The term Indian is a term for some one from India. The "American Indians" have a very different religion and appearance to the Hindi Indians .


    India officially the Republic of India (Hindi: भारत गणराज्य, Bhārat Gaṇarājya, is a country in South Asia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India

    Indian people or Indisians constitute the Asian nation and pan-ethnic group native to India, which forms the south of Asia, containing 17.31% of the world's population
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_people

    The term Asian is used for people of China,Japan,Korea and in the UK it is also a term for people that are Pakistani because Pakistan is between the regions of South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East. The home land of the "Natives" of New Zealand is called Hawaiki (Taiwan) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiki and now they not called Asian they are called Polynesian Maori. http://history-nz.org/maori.html

    The "Native American Asians" or "Native American Indians" look different to the other the Asians because like the Maori they have breed with Europeans and also their connection to animals (Wolves, Horse, and Eagles) is similar to the Norse Vikings (Wolves, Horse and Ravens).












    Is "Native American" or "Indian American" really the right term for the Americanoids of USA? Or is Skræling of Vinland(USA) a better term?

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    I believe that Skraeling would be more suitable.

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    Well, skræling means "weak/feeble one", so I believe some would take offence =P

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    Might as well call them Indians or American Indian. I see no point in changing it, especially since most people wouldn't even know who you were talking about.
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    Callb them by their tribal names. I see no reason they should be given a blanket term unless they agree upon a term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Eye View Post
    As someone has already pointed out,i'm sure many people would take offense at the term Skraeling,so i think just Native American will do.
    How would you think they would be offended and should we even care if they are? Please explain in detail.

    Can we just call them ''injuns'' or red savages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    Can we just call them ''injuns'' or red savages?
    Redskins?

    Being the races were for a time denoted by the four colours White, Yellow, Black, and Red. Evola probably liked the connections there...

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    Or, we could call them whatever they called themselves.

    For example, the Lakota name in their own tongue, means 'the people', which is what they called themselves.

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    I prefer painted devils……but seriously I don’t even see the need for a blanket term to be applied to them…there are a few groupings of various tribes and nations that could possibly be grouped together but there are some major differences with language and culture…so call them by the name of their nation or of their region…
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    Can we just call them ''injuns'' or red savages?
    On the warpath?

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