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    Alternate-future Novels Where Germany Won the War(s)?

    Does anyone know of any good ones?

    The only one I ever read was Fatherland, which was made into a TV miniseries. It was deeply disappointing, as it basically made the continued Reich feel like the Soviet Union (bleak and cold and grim), whereas in fact, while that kind of brutalism was indeed characteristic of the U.S.S.R., it was not at all the character of the colourful, folkloric Reich.

    I think Michael Moorcock also write a novel where WWI never happened, and the European empires continued.

    Are there any other novels (especially, any ones that are at least neutral or even favourable towards Germany) set in a world where Germany won either the first or second world wars, and that show what today's world would be like if that had happened?

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    Currently I'm reading The Man With The Iron Heart by Harry Turtledove

    In this scenario, Heydrich survives assassination and lives on to run an Iraq-style insurgency against the occupying powers after WWII.
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    Of course most would all depict a Germany who won the war having conquered the world and brought about a totalitarian super-regime over the globe.

    We don't need to read that trash, even if it's for pure entertainment.

    Come to think of it, I've actually been contemplating of writing a piece of work about German soldiers of the Wehrmacht.

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    Have you read the Hitler Options?

    It's not a novel but it's supposed to be very good. I'm trying to get around to reading it myself.
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    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove and The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick are worth taking a look at.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Currently I'm reading The Man With The Iron Heart by Harry Turtledove

    In this scenario, Heydrich survives assassination and lives on to run an Iraq-style insurgency against the occupying powers after WWII.
    That was an awful book; Turtledove just lifted the Iraq situation and put it in a post-WWII German context. The Werwolf magically pioneer modern terrorist techniques (suicide bombings, aircraft hijackings, etc.), the American housewife who is a Cindy Sheehan equivalent, etc. No thought or original work put into it, just Turtledove writing for money. Unfortunately that is also the trend with his new alternative WWII series, which also is not worth reading.

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    I would recommend the 'Third Reich Victorious: Alternate Decisions of World War II' - it' not a novel but a series of historians writing on the basis of a range of alternative scenarios where Germany wins the war and as a text it's actually quite good.
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    Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle is a very interesting book set in the 1960s after the Axis powers have won WW2. Definitely worth a look at, although it's mostly a weird philosophical novel about parallel universes; it doesn't really deal with the finer details of the Axis-ruled world. It's rather difficult to read, since the whole storyline is patterned after the divination system in the I Ching, and ends very abruptly.

    (I'm still mystified by the ending - did the protagonist end up in "our" reality in the last scene? Did Heydrich and the SS finally rise up and seize power in the end? So many questions.)

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    That was an awful book; Turtledove just lifted the Iraq situation and put it in a post-WWII German context.
    Turtledove is a deeply unoriginal author, copy-pasting real events is his main skill. The "alternate history" book about the Werwolf insurrection after WW2 is completely modeled after the Iraq rebels, no creativity whatsoever. Turtledove's timeline about an America after a Confederate victory is even more unoriginal - the South fights in WW1 and loses, they end up with a leader like Hitler, and build concentration camps for negroes. An utterly awful book. I haven't read his book In the Presence of Mine Enemies yet, and I'm not bothering to.

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    The timelines found here are usually more plausible than the published stuff. http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/

    Such as "The Long Night Falls" for example: http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=169831

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