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    Verktøykasse Mot Anti-Hvite

    I en tid der folkemord er akseptabelt...

    Anklagen
    1. De er ikke mot rasisme, de er mot hvite.
    2. De er ikke tolerante, de er kriminelle.

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    Convention on the
    Prevention and Punishment
    of the Crime of Genocide


    Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948.

    Article 1
    The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

    Article 2
    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    Article 3
    The following acts shall be punishable:

    (a) Genocide;
    (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
    (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
    (d) Attempt to commit genocide;
    (e) Complicity in genocide.
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    genocide
    1944, apparently coined by Polish-born U.S. jurist Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959) in his work "Axis Rule in Occupied Europe" [p.19], in reference to Nazi extermination of Jews, lit. "killing a tribe," from Gk. genos "race, kind" (see genus) + -cide. The proper formation would be *genticide.

    Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aimed at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. [Lemkin]
    The Convention was manifestly adopted for humanitarian and civilizing purposes. Its objectives are to safeguard the very existence of certain human groups and to affirm and emphasize the most elementary principles of humanity and morality. In view of the rights involved, the legal obligations to refrain from genocide are recognized as erga omnes.
    When the Convention was drafted, it was already envisaged that it would apply not only to then existing forms of genocide, but also "to any method that might be evolved in the future with a view to destroying the physical existence of a group".[22] As emphasized in the preamble to the Convention, genocide has marred all periods of history, and it is this very tragic recognition that gives the concept its historical evolutionary nature.
    The Convention must be interpreted in good faith, in accordance with the ordinary meaning of its terms, in their context, and in the light of its object and purpose. Moreover, the text of the Convention should be interpreted in such a way that a reason and a meaning can be attributed to every word. No word or provision may be disregarded or treated as superfluous, unless this is absolutely necessary to give effect to the terms read as a whole.[23]
    Genocide is a crime under international law regardless of "whether committed in time of peace or in time of war" (art. I). Thus, irrespective of the context in which it occurs (for example, peace time, internal strife, international armed conflict or whatever the general overall situation) genocide is a punishable international crime.

    — UN Commission of Experts that examined violations of international humanitarian law committed in the territory of the former Yugoslavia.

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    Ny video på svensk/norsk:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feu denfer View Post
    Ny video på svensk/norsk:
    Utmärkt video, riktigt bra jobbat. Har inget att tillägga.

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    Utmerket verktøykasse. Det løfter debatten fra den typiske offer/anklageposisjonen og diskusjon om kriminalitet, sosiale kostnader og andre instrumentelle ting, til et spørsmål om prinsipper og lov og rett.

    Den tyske psykiateren og filosofen Carl Jung har også beskrevet effekten av denne utviklingen i sin modell for "kollektiv bevissthet/identitet" der han påviser at det multikulturelle samfunn ikke er et ssamfunn i ordets egentlige betydning, at det ikke vil ha noen samlet folkevilje og retning og at det i stor grad vil måtte holdes sammen med tvang, dvs. drakoniske lover, politi og i ytterste konsekvens, militære.

    Årsaken er ikke at noen mennesker har rett og andre har feil, men simpelthen at de er så forskjellige at deres felles kollektive bevissthet er så liten at alle parter opplever at de lever i et åndelig fengsel og anklager hverandre for dette. Et naturlig sosialt fellesskap bygget på slektskap, felles kultur og historie har et fellesrom som er så stort at den enkelte kan realisere seg helt ut til grensen av sin kulturelle oppdragelse uten å støte sine folkefeller. Felles forståelse og ønsker for samfunnet er sammenfallende og det foreligger en enhetlig folkevilje som fører til kulturell, sosial og industriell/økonomisk utvikling.

    "Noen har tatt bananen/jobben min", "Han stjeler og er slem", eller "Huff, det sitter en kosovoindianer på sinsentrikken", holder ikke i debatt. Det er følelsesmessige utbrudd, legitime følelser for all del, men verdilse som våpen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Skannon View Post
    Utmerket verktøykasse. Det løfter debatten fra den typiske offer/anklageposisjonen og diskusjon om kriminalitet, sosiale kostnader og andre instrumentelle ting, til et spørsmål om prinsipper og lov og rett.
    Riktig, men egentlig er detganske banalt. Og derfor tar det tid før man forstår at det kan være så enkelt. Robert Whitaker, mannen som har skrevet the mantra som videoen over er basert på har bakgrunn som politisk rådgiver for president Reagan. Han baserte sin retorikk mot Sovjetregime på det følgende:

    "Hvis kommunismen er så bra som dere påstår, hvorfor har dere da murer, piggtråd og maskingevær for å hindre folk fra å rømme?".

    Det gikk ikke an å snakke seg bort fra. Uansett hvilken påstand Sovjets tilhengere og representanter prøvde seg på kunne de trekkes tilbake på defensiven med det samme spørsmålet. Det var ingen vits i å presentere publikum for ukjente saksforhold når alle visste at flyktningestrømmen gikk fra øst til vest. Og slik er det i Oslo også. Legg bort kriminalstatestikker og innvandrerregnskap. La oss heller repetere om og om igjen:

    Hvis flerkultur er bra, hvorfor flytter nordmenn fra den?

    Og når vi først får festet ballegrepet på dem slipper vi ikke for å klype i ørene.

    Afrika for afrikanere
    Asia for asiater
    Hvite land for alle

    De sier de er mot rasisme. Egentlig er de bare mot hvite.

    Antirasist er bare et kodeord for anti hvit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feu denfer View Post
    Ny video på svensk/norsk:
    Det Feu denfer snakker om her fungerer veldig bra. Det beste er vel egentlig bare å prøve å debattere med de anti-hvite så vil det bli klart etterhvert at de er anti-hvite og bare bruker anti-rasist som et kodeord.

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    Nu har jag kollat på videon en andra gång, och nu med mera kritiska ögon. Även om den är bra (och på ett bra sätt åskådliggör mångkulturalisternas egentliga agenda och invandringens slutgiltiga konsekvenser) så har jag två saker att anmärka på:

    1. Det förekommer en hel del stavfel, vilket tyvärr ger ett lite slarvigt intryck.

    2. Videon är översatt från den amerikanska The mantra-videon (orginalet) på ett alldeles för lojalt sätt. Problemet med detta är att "vit" är en viktigare identitetsmarkör i the melting pot som ju USA är, än vad den är här i norden eller i Europa. Man borde... "nischa" videon en aning så att den kunde passa nordiska förhållanden lite bättre.

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    Sorry for replying in English, but I dont feel sure enough in Norwegian/Danish to make my thoughts clear.


    Quote Originally Posted by Feu denfer
    Og når vi først får festet ballegrepet på dem slipper vi ikke for å klype i ørene.

    Afrika for afrikanere
    Asia for asiater
    Hvite land for alle

    De sier de er mot rasisme. Egentlig er de bare mot hvite.

    Antirasist er bare et kodeord for anti hvit.
    What Sågverksarbetaren said, the "mantra" is for two reason useless and it made me feel really allergic for its insistence on that "an expert" (on what?) should have written it and therefore is the only truth. The problem is that "white" simply is no truth for Europe. We are Germans, Norwegians, Dutch, etc, we are not "white" which can mean everything from Spanish over Italian, Greek, Russian, Irish whatever and every shade of mix of all that.

    When you want to oppose the mantra of the left, which does already sing "white lands for all", you cant repeat that mantra without adding a big bold ??? to that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Feu denfer
    Hvis flerkultur er bra, hvorfor flytter nordmenn fra den?
    This is a question that should be part of an own Norwegian mantra, or a mantra asked in every of our countries with reference to the respective native population of that land.

    The consciousness, in so far as it is still intact here in Europe, is an ethnic consciousness, despite many claim to be "Europeans", they only say it because it is the "mantra" of politics. When you start poking, most people will end up identifying with their region, much more than with the state. "White" goes far beyond anything our people can grasp, and in fact, they shouldnt even start grasping it. Europe is no melting pot, and not everything that is white is even European. There's nothing to win with this mantra for Europe.

    I'm also not sure, in general, if it would be wise to have Americans lead that movement for Europe and we just fall in and follow. After all, the fact that Europe did follow America for the last six decades is one of the fundamental problems why we are in that situation in the first place. Europe adopted "American truths" and the multicultural hellhole governed by liberal free market capitalism is the result. I cant really see a solution in following America.

    In fact I think Europe should lead that movement (which should indeed extend to all Europeans around the globe, but we cannot speak for them in their lands really), because it is Europe that is the heartland of our people. And Europe has a whole range of other - and better - arguments against the melting pot ideology than any "colony" could possibly have. And vice versa, their arguments to have built America/Oz/NZ etc is not necessarily valid for Europe, because we have history on our side, we dont need to justify our presence or pull out our achievements to claim Europe for us. It has been ours forever and the fact that the left questions that right is an act of utter hate against us in itself.

    We need an own movement and an own mantra, not against the colonies, but also not led by them. We'd just get a whole bunch of garbage that we dont need and in fact, that would be even contraproductive here. It can be used as an inspiration to get something serious started, but following it blindly is no solution for Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    What Sågverksarbetaren said, the "mantra" is for two reason useless and it made me feel really allergic for its insistence on that "an expert" (on what?) should have written it and therefore is the only truth.
    So what if Horus makes a bold introduction of Whitaker. You don't need to follow instructions from anyone, but if a guy who used to do propaganda for President Reagan gives advice it could be a good idea to hear him out.

    The problem is that "white" simply is no truth for Europe. We are Germans, Norwegians, Dutch, etc, we are not "white" which can mean everything from Spanish over Italian, Greek, Russian, Irish whatever and every shade of mix of all that.
    This is a question that should be part of an own Norwegian mantra, or a mantra asked in every of our countries with reference to the respective native population of that land.
    The point is not to make make things perfect, "racists" never worked because it was true or accurate, it worked because it was a simple and consistant message. You can't say "immigration and assimilation is only forced on norwegians", because the anti white would point to sweden. You would have to say "Norway for everyone", "Sweden for everyone", and finally, you would end up with "white countries for everyone". Immigration and assimilation are only forced on Whites, because we are the only people/race who are not allowed to refuse. "Norway for everyone", "sweden for everyone" etc. means dozens of different mantras. One message everywhere is preferable.

    Propaganda is not intellectual art, it's brute, ugly and above all, simple.

    And Europe has a whole range of other - and better - arguments against the melting pot ideology than any "colony" could possibly have. And vice versa, their arguments to have built America/Oz/NZ etc is not necessarily valid for Europe, because we have history on our side, we dont need to justify our presence or pull out our achievements to claim Europe for us. It has been ours forever and the fact that the left questions that right is an act of utter hate against us in itself.
    This is the argument anti whites always use, "whites stole America so they have no rights to it". It's the white guilt kicking in from our programmed minds, that even nationalists believe it's a valid argument. I'll prove it, because we see this argument 10 times a day. Here is the proper answer:

    "Turkey conquered Anatolia from greeks and other people, but nobody claims the turks should give it back to the greeks or import millions of Kenyans. The Zulus took the lands of the Kapoid, but nobody seems to bother about the Zulus giving it back or importing millions of koreans. And guess what: The white man did not bring war to America. The white man took the lands the Apache had taken from the Navaho.

    Could you, as an anti white, please explain what is so special about white history that we, as the only race on earth need to give up our own countries?"

    All countries are made by immigration. All countries die by immigration.

    We need an own movement and an own mantra, not against the colonies, but also not led by them. We'd just get a whole bunch of garbage that we dont need and in fact, that would be even contraproductive here. It can be used as an inspiration to get something serious started, but following it blindly is no solution for Europe.
    When you actually find a better mantra, actually field test it, and actually prove better results, I'll follow you. Until then, I'm sticking with the Mantra.

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    What is important is to make clear that whatever you are being accused of obviously makes perfect sense to the accuser since he is an anti-racist, and anti-racist is just a codeword from anti-whaterver-you-happen-to-be. Because to someone so in love with genocide any opposition must appear as hate etc. etc.

    Just keep piling on that he hates Germany, that he hates Norway or whatever. Repetition works because it rewires the brain. A (I believe Jewish) psychologist by the name Drew Westen has made some interesting studies on this topic which he has presented in books and talks (google!). It is all about creating activation of overlapping neural networks.

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