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    Tatars - What is Their Racial Identity?

    I know this has nothing to do with Germanic peoples, but since this seems to be the best race-related board out there, I figure I'd post my question about the Tatars here.

    I've always wondered what "racial group" the Tatars belong to? I've gathered that they're the descendants of the Mongol hordes that used to rule large parts of Russia. But on the pictures I dug up, they don't look completely Mongol to me. They seem to be a strange mix of several races.

    Could the professional Skadi anthropologists answer this question?

    Here are a few pictures of these people:








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    I believe Tatars are a mixed, but primarily Turkic group driven west by the Mongols. Of course they spent centuries under the domination of, and in service with, the latter, so it is reasonable to assume a fair amount of mixing occured. As they migrated around Eurasia they likely absorbed further admixture from Slavs, Caucasians, Central Asians, and so on. Specific racial appearance probably depends on location and thus level of admixture; I would expect a Tatar from Poland or Ukraine to look decidedly more Europid than a counterpart from Kazakhstan or Siberia.

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    The Tatars of today are a race-mixed group, although they were originally a Turko-Mongol nomad people. Most of them live around the Volga river and are Muslims, although very secular ones. Tatars are known for training eagles to hunt for them, which I find rather fascinating.

    They're a mixed bunch for the same reason as the Amerindians in the US. The Russians, when they conquered the east, miscegenated with the Tatars a lot. It's the same thing with several Amerindians, who are mixed with Anglo settlers to the point of looking "almost white". Both the Russians and the Anglo-Americans would push their mixed-race offspring below the color line into the non-white group, and so the Tatars were gradually "whitened" over the course of centuries. By now, most of the Tatars in southern Russia have a vaguely "Eurasian" appearance.

    (This "whitening" didn't happen to the Negroes, because white-on-black rape wasn't so widespread, but mainly because the black genes are very dominant. The Tatars/Amerindians have recessive mongoloid genes.)

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    The Tartars are one of the many Turkic Asiatic peoples that attempted to move into Europe or actually successfully did so. Anthropologically they are mostly of the Turanid stock but there are a few that have more Caucasian features. A lot of them started pushing their way in Europe during the assault of Eurasian Hordes ranging from the 5th to 14th century. There were various waves of them and their affiliation was mostly based on a tribal basis. Most of the characters you have posted up there would fall in the range from Turanid to Aralid with some falling somewhere in between.

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    The top woman looks like a good example of a Turanid.
    The one guy below her looks like an Aralid.
    The boy below him looks like a more Tungid variant of the Aralid.
    The guy below him looks like a Turanid.
    The guy in that depiction looks like an Aralid.

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    Thanks for the answers. I guess this solves the Tatar mystery.

    So the majority of Tatars, who live in southern Russia, are basically mixed-race. While the original ones were entirely Mongol, which can be seen by the Tatar population in Central Asia.

    Here's some more Tatar pictures I found on google:








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    more Tatars

    Marat Safin, Tatar but very Europid-Cromagnid looking:


    In this picture he looks more mixed


    A member of the Tatar minority in Poland, Selim Chazbijewicz, again very Europid-Gorid looking:




    Ildar Ibragimov, pred. Mongoloid Tatar:





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    I would say the Tatars are basically a Eurasian blend. Tatar is just another name for "Turk". Ethnic Turks (natives of Turkey) are really Tatars with more Medish & Armenid admixture then their cousins in European Russia or Central Asia.
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    I was going to say that guy looks like a blend between Baltic/Russian and Tartar sort of in between.

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    The first collection guy in that picture looks more mixed sort of a North Pontid frame with Turanid influences. The other looks more Central Asian a Turanid/Pamirid hybrid of sorts. The two women look more like Eastern European/Tartar hybrids with the first one looking like a Turanid/Baltid hybrid and the second one looking like a Balto-Cro-Magnon/Turanid hybrid.

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